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ClownCrowned
The Nomads Holding Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.24 22:50:00 -
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Hello dear forum We have a problem,
I have been talking to alliances that meet the criteria of getting a logo. We and many others have been sitting and waiting to get logos published, but CCP seems to favor "major" alliances. Especially 0.0 Alliances in general, some 0.0 alliances have gotten their logos approved without meeting CCP's Criteria. I'm not adressing this as it affects me and my alliance, but many others. The worst thing is that CCP shrugs it off with a casual, " fitting the artistic theme " of eve online.
This is very strange to me, because there is no logo out there, that fits with the artistic theme of eve online. Examples are: Test/Goonswarm/NCDOT and many others.
I have talked to 6 other alliance CEO's now, they have all gotten the same excuse as us and one of those alliances had a logo of a spaceship.
This is one of many examples where CCP favoritism comes into greater play, We have seen before how CCP's favoritism tips the scales in conflict and in interest, T20 for example.
Prior i have adressed this issue at fanfest with as many developers as i could manage to find, but the response was less than slim. There seem to be no need for individualism in eve online, as long as we pay our subscription fee and keep our mouths closed.
Then everything works out fine.
PS. You are only entitled to a logo if you are space famous or do an t20.
( A dropbox with the petitions mentioned. )
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u2pjat5s94hh6cp/Petitions.odt |
Sean Apollo
The Nomads Holding Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.24 23:02:00 -
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We were left in shock... |
ClownCrowned
The Nomads Holding Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.24 23:13:00 -
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/uthx5oj7kouxc6z/Al_Nomads.psd
Nomads proposed un-artistic logo, should have had a bee with a shotgun instead... more in feel of eve. |
Jennitalia Clitavian
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.25 00:52:00 -
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I see, so a Jawa-looking figure with a gun is not "in the artistic theme of Eve" but a Bumblebee smoking a cigarette (Goons) IS.
Very consistent, CCP. Very consistent.
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NomadSoldier
First Steps Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:11:00 -
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Listen up... Preach On |
Vinco Vicivictum
First Steps Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:13:00 -
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Come on CCP |
Mraki Dethahal
First Steps Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:15:00 -
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Get it done! |
ClownCrowned
The Nomads Holding Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:46:00 -
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bump |
ClownCrowned
The Nomads Holding Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:57:00 -
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So we did some research now, as nomads lovely logo was denied cause of "artistic" reasons. These are the ones that got approved in the batch: Tri-Star Galactic Industries 24eme Legion Etrangere Aegis Requiem Angeli Mortis Darkness of Despair Entropy Alliance Eternal Pretorian Alliance Final Admonition Insidious Empire Mildly Intoxicated Mildly Sober No Holes Barred Novus Dominatum Public Disorder. RECURSIVE ASCENSION Silence Ascension Spaceship Samurai Stealth Wear Inc. The Craftsmen The Devil's Tattoo The Forbidden City Trifectas Syndicate
There is something funny with these logos, not a single one is holding up on the artistic "visions". Nor has any relevance to the game, i also found 2 of the images are using copyright protected material and just adding their ticker to it. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:15:00 -
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We got our logo approved before whatever idiot screens them now started doing it. If we tried to submit a new one now (like for our renter alliance) we'd get stuck dealing with these dumb rules too. |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:16:00 -
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also TEST got like eight alliance logo submissions bounced before they finally got one through |
ClownCrowned
The Nomads Holding Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:23:00 -
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Same rules should apply to everyone, as it is a sandbox game. Doesn't matter if they changed the person who does the screening, the same criteria must be upheld. Also i cannot find a single logo that fit the artistic visions, except the npc factions. We cannot really count them as they are made by CCP.
So if we are going to keep saying that Eve online is a sandbox, where all rules applies to everyone, you have to have equality on every question.
This is pure favoritism we are arguing about, not that a logo was denied. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.25 15:48:00 -
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Jennitalia Clitavian wrote:I see, so a Jawa-looking figure with a gun is not "in the artistic theme of Eve" but a Bumblebee smoking a cigarette (Goons) IS.
Very consistent, CCP. Very consistent.
EDIT: And then there's TEST's T-Rex wearing a suit. Very much "in the theme of Eve." Also, there's pandemic legion's one which is pretty cool There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:53:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:We got our logo approved before whatever idiot screens them now started doing it. Also Fatbee was initially rejected for Goonswarm Federation before we escalated it.
Quote:If we tried to submit a new one now (like for our renter alliance) we'd get stuck dealing with these dumb rules too. I hope we're using CCPBee for this. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Sabarian Thraxx
Scionian Solutions Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:57:00 -
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It's the unequal and arbitrary "approval" system that upsets me. SO many logos have nothing to do with space in general or Eve in particular, yet ours gets rejected for that reason.
Next they'll be giving out T2 BPOs to certain alliances
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 03:48:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Weaselior wrote:We got our logo approved before whatever idiot screens them now started doing it. Also Fatbee was initially rejected for Goonswarm Federation before we escalated it. Quote:If we tried to submit a new one now (like for our renter alliance) we'd get stuck dealing with these dumb rules too. I hope we're using CCPBee for this. Well we can be pretty sure it'll be approved? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
ClownCrowned
The Nomads Holding Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:29:00 -
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Now the design department has issued another response.
It's not that our logo is contradictory to the eve "artistic" view, It's the quality now.
There is a saying in my language, If it smells like ****, then someone forgot to flush the toilet.
Even the " Didn't want that region anyway " response, is more thought out than that. |
Baaldor
Capsuleer Outfitters Easily Excited
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:35:00 -
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ClownCrowned wrote:
There is a saying in my language, If it smells like ****, then someone forgot to flush the toilet.
Your language....are you from Louisiana? |
ClownCrowned
The Nomads Holding Nomads.
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:36:00 -
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Swedish, but not even close to Louisianian. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:23:00 -
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This is an outrage! AN OUTRAGE I TELL YOU!
If they cant have their jawa with a gun logo how in the hell am i going to get Lumpy the moose with a star trek uniform passed through "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
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Malception
Cold Moon Destruction.
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:34:00 -
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that if you took the shotgun out it would be approved. Just a guess.
Edit: After looking at the proposed alliance logo again it is very clear he's not carrying a shotgun. Whatever that gun-ish looking thing is, I'd be willing to bet they have some issue with guns. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
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Posted - 2013.10.04 19:50:00 -
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Malception wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that if you took the shotgun out it would be approved. Just a guess.
Edit: After looking at the proposed alliance logo again it is very clear he's not carrying a shotgun. Whatever that gun-ish looking thing is, I'd be willing to bet they have some issue with guns. then why doesn't ccp just say "take out the gun and it will be approved" instead of "not artistic"? <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:50:00 -
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I don't think the gun is the problem with the logo - Get Off My Lawn have one in theirs.
Your problem might be more to do with using, essentially, a Star Wars jawa as your logo. If I was CCP I'd be wary about using what appears to be a character from another sci-fi universe in my game too, if not explicitly from an Intellectual Property legal perspective then certainly from the point of view of trying to maintain a distinct identity.
If they let a Jawa in they open up a can of worms - what happens when somebody submits a logo of the Starship Enterprise, or a Warhammer 40k Space Marine? CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:33:00 -
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i support you 100 percent and you should have whatever logo you want for your alliance. I would suggest not changing the content of the image, but just giving it another pass.
no offense, really, but it looks like a real quicky done on MS paint. they might just have quality issues with it.
i cant see anyone taking issue with the slight "jawa" resemblance because to me thats clearly a NOMAD...not private intellectual property owned by disney... hehe "buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"
- you |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:51:00 -
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Ciaphas Cyne wrote:i cant see anyone taking issue with the slight "jawa" resemblance because to me thats clearly a NOMAD...not private intellectual property owned by disney... hehe I also dont remember Jawa's carrying shotguns over their shoulders in any star wars movie. <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:04:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:Ciaphas Cyne wrote:i cant see anyone taking issue with the slight "jawa" resemblance because to me thats clearly a NOMAD...not private intellectual property owned by disney... hehe I also dont remember Jawa's carrying shotguns over their shoulders in any star wars movie.
shotgun? i didnt see a shotgun in OPs image. i saw an ion blaster with a very, very distinct muzzle.
http://www.harlan-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/001.jpg
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ion_blaster
"buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"
- you |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:50:00 -
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Malception wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that if you took the shotgun out it would be approved. Just a guess.
Edit: After looking at the proposed alliance logo again it is very clear he's not carrying a shotgun. Whatever that gun-ish looking thing is, I'd be willing to bet they have some issue with guns.
Actually they don't seem to have issues with that kind of thing. It's the ... "lines" of the images that seem to impact what they approve.
The more computer precision in the drawings, the faster and easier they seem to be approved.
From the looks of it, I'd suggest small changes to what was done in their image - adjust the - N - and shadowing for more precision/aligned symmetry. That would probably get the logo approved without too many issues.
Symmetrical or Asymmetrical - that doesn't seem to matter but precision of images/rendering does. |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:45:00 -
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I would just like to point out.
Maybe they were just being nice saying that it did not fit the artistic theme.
if they wanted to truthful they would have said the quality of that logo is pretty **** poor.
Maybe get somebody to do a better job of it and then it might be accepted? And maybe make it look less like a jawa... "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:29:00 -
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and a distinct shoulder brace...and a distinct handgrip...and a distinct pouch hanging from it....know what happens when you get enough distincts? it becomes a different gun altogether <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:57:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:and a distinct shoulder brace...and a distinct handgrip...and a distinct pouch hanging from it....know what happens when you get enough distincts? it becomes a different gun altogether
its a bad, low-bit ms paint drawing of a jawa trader with an ion blaster but whatever you see is, im sure, a valid interpretation. sorry to upset you with facts. "buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"
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