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Arazel Chainfire
Sons Of 0din
218
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:35:00 -
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Congrats on giving in to the idiot whiners. Yes, there was only 1 gold magnate, and it hasn't been in the game for nearly 9 years at this point. But for some reason it is still kept in the database, and people can still look it up. And now it will never see the light of day again.
Yes, there is history in eve. No, that history shouldn't be completely ignored. However, adding 2 new gold magnates isn't going to break the game, or change their value (it had none, it didn't exist). Adding 3 more guardian vexors isn't going to significantly change their value. Hell, with CCP adding additional ships, people might actually use them as they are no longer limited run hanger ornaments. And that last part is the most important one - ships in eve should be in eve to be used. Not to sit around in hangers never to undock. Heck, if you want, you could even go as far as to say "There will always be 2 gold magnates in the game - if one is destroyed, a new one will be released somehow at a later date." Or "There will always be 50 of each tournament ship - if some are destroyed, then more will be released somehow at a later date." By putting a limit on how many are allowed out MAX, they will still be rare and valuable, but by adding a way for more to be added, they might actually be used. That would be far better for these ships and this game than the current state of affairs.
-Arazel |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
501
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:36:00 -
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Kirren D'marr wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:I'd just love CCP to clarify on how this is a "community event", when clearly some aspects of the community are excluded from participating based on the enforcement of self appointed rules by a 3rd party entity not regulated by CCP per se.
This entity is governed by the same EULA as we all have to adhere to, sure.
In this instance however, CCP has effectively given another player / entity / website (effectively an out of game tool) the ability to dictate / choose whether i, as a paying eve customer can participate in content CCP has created (in game), or not.
I'd specifically like clarification on if this is meant to be a community event accessible to all paying subscribers who comply with the EULA - why i am currently unable to participate even if i wanted to as this character ?
Why am i being discriminated against? Especially in light of recent events where CCP representatives had to pull out of player-run RP chat channels due to some players being excluded by the actions of other players, this whole situation of letting a player-run third party regulate who can participate in this lottery appears highly hypocritical. CCP have effectively empowered a non affiliated 3rd party to hold judge and jury over rare and expensive in-game items with little thought to what that entails.
By empowered, i specifically refer to the fact that CCP have allowed another player with a EULA abiding, yet none the less, gambling, isk profit making, non-ccp regulated (nor company principle related) website to be in a position (out of game), to influence matters for subscription paying players(in-game), based on them being directly given free exclusive **** to profit even further from?
CCP - i would like you to clarify why i am currently unable to access the 3rd party site somer blink to play since this is a "community event". Surely this is open to all your subscribers ? Concord Approved Trader |
Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:37:00 -
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Symbiotes wrote:CCP breaking their own TOS rules on implying favoritism within a week of heated debate over said TOS? CHECK
Nah, it's only against the TOS to imply favoritism. Actual blatant favoritism is perfectly ok. |
arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
173
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:00:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:arabella blood wrote:Thanks to all bittervet RP lore loving players who missed the actualy point, we now have this pitiful solution.
The point is not introducing back the ships, the point is the use of Blink to do it.
Thanks for deciding what THE point is. Thank god we're living in a world where there's only one point to every issue. Imagine how complex things might be if there would be multiple points, or even different points for different people!
I was refering to the problem the majority had with it, and not the "Role Players Collectors of Bitter vet " had with it.
Please make server for RP players, when they can have their own fun...they are ruining mine here.
Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Jamison
Southern Gothic
5
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:03:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Pull Chribba Dice support in protest.
Do you feel any hypocrisy posting that 32 minutes after you claimed your free gift on our site? Just curious if you'd prefer to withdraw your use of our gifts in protest :)
Original post.
This is so wrong, how many EULA violations is this exactly CCP Navigator? Does a reply like this meet the TOS?
Regardless if it is true or not, the only way of knowing this information would be for this person to look into the personal data on SOMER BLINK and then turn around and writing about it in a public post.
The fact that the issues are being completely ignored by CCP Navigator and was was never mentioned to the CSM makes me think that we have not begun to hear the whole story.
Just how long was this project being worked on, who was involved with the deal and what have people been given to make this work?
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Ogopogo Mu
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:06:00 -
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Caller: All dem purty ships will be dere, Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.
Caller: Fix dem odds and call it fair, Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.
Caller: I know dat payoff will be big, Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.
Caller: I think I smell an RNG rig, Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.
Caller: I hope we move some GTCs dar, Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.
Caller: I think I'll scrub some forums har, Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.
Caller: Make dat cash and den we go, Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.
Caller: I hope Riot Games will hire mo', Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit. |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:11:00 -
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Instead of SOMER Blink, maybe you could get Erotica 1 to handle your giveaway? After all, they're the only honest ISK doubler in EVE, and unlike SOMER, 100% of the playerbase trusts them. |
Symbiotes
Genesis Nation Gentlemen's Agreement
7
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:17:00 -
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I get the strong feeling CCP dont get what is wrong with all this. So I'm gonna try my hand at the old "giving an example" thingy. Here's a silly story!
Lets say Somer and I are playing this simple shooter game, the most simple of simple pvp games.
So here I am with my small pistol trying to fight this guy with a massive machine gun. He's got the advantage because he worked really hard for that big gun. But I might catch him off guard and still win, who knows!
Yet when I finally find and corner him, he's got this admin of the game spawn him a tank. And when I complain about the tank, the admin says 'oh sorry' and changes the color of the tank... |
Arcueid Saber
Legio XCIX CA
5
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:47:00 -
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No to Favoritism. In case you do not know what it is: the practice of giving unfair preferential treatment to one person or group at the expense of another. That gambling site is at the end of the blocks in term of useful, helpful 3rd party service.
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arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
173
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:51:00 -
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Im afraid we lost, with the anouncment of Rubicon, and the fact that Bitter Vet favoritism is a long tradition in CCP...
We can all go **** ourselves. Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
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Luis Graca
210
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:13:00 -
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Being the more reliability 3rd party and the creator of: eve-files.com eve-search.com evelocal.com eve-agents.com eveboard.com. eve-offline.net. podbase.com. veldspar.com dustboard.com dustsearch.com
Can someone help find what chribba will win? |
James Amril-Kesh
Goonswarm Federation
5804
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:15:00 -
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The ONLY appropriate way for CCP to handle this situation going forward is to take all of the prizes back away from Somer.
In fact, **** Somer, I'm not even going to play promos anymore even though I have thousands of promo tickets left. My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
245
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:16:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:Can someone help find what chribba will win? Chribba isn't encouraging players to buy GTCs to pay for their addiction so the answer is "he'll get **** all" |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
15
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:24:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Cursan Voran wrote:Also, as someone who does not use somer blink, how do I get a chance at these giveaways? You can register and play a free promo blink which happen often and get an entry.
And what about the people who have been banned by SOMER from their third party site? Particularly for offenses such as using auto refresh in an out of game browser on their third party site to catch promos. Something that is not even listed as illegal in the rules on the site. Or for using alt accounts to abuse the achievement system.
Relevant quote:
CCP Falcon wrote: Due to complaints regarding overzealous player moderation on this channel, everyone from CCP who has been interacting here will be withdrawing from doing so. The same goes for "The Summit" and "Live Events" The reason for this is that we can't allow players to be locked out of interaction with us based on grudges that are held between players.
Yet it's ok to lock out players from distributions like this based on "player grudges" that don't even take place within New Eden, but on a third party site? |
James Amril-Kesh
Goonswarm Federation
5804
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:24:00 -
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I encourage everyone to troll the **** out of their "SOMER Lotteries" public channel. My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
15
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I encourage everyone to troll the **** out of their "SOMER Lotteries" public channel. But then I'd get banned from their site and lose my tickets! |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
1986
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:48:00 -
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Why is everybody celebrating? All CCP has done is rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.
The Guardian-Vexor was swtiched to an even rarer ship, of which only three copies will ever exist? Oh yeah, that's an improvement.
And the Gold Magnate is replaced with all-expense paid trips to Fanfest.
Is CCP going to let EOHPoker or EVE-Bet or Big Lottery or Goonswarm have similar prizes for their contests? Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
PrettyPollock
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:57:00 -
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I also hate to be 'one of those people'. But if this event goes to fruition with a non-CCP entity hold and distributing prizes then you can kiss all of my accounts goodbye.
The only embarrassing part I feel that I have in this is sticking around after t20. Its like getting cheated on twice knowing full well that the first time the apology didn't 'seem' sincere.
gg ccp. |
James Amril-Kesh
Goonswarm Federation
5804
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:57:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I encourage everyone to troll the **** out of their "SOMER Lotteries" public channel. But then I'd get banned from their site and lose my tickets!
And? You really want to keep playing and maybe sending them occasional ISK for the small chance of maybe winning a promo some day? My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
Lulu McMullin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:59:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Is CCP going to let EOHPoker or EVE-Bet or Big Lottery or Goonswarm have similar prizes for their contests?
Why would they? CCP likes SOMER and knows they are 100% trustworthy and they don't like those other people because they aren't friends with CCP devs or 'yes men'.
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
17
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I encourage everyone to troll the **** out of their "SOMER Lotteries" public channel. But then I'd get banned from their site and lose my tickets! And? You really want to keep playing and maybe sending them occasional ISK for the small chance of maybe winning a promo some day? Actually I'm 2 bil in the green and more or less quit a couple months ago while I'm ahead. I still have a few dozen promo tokens left over I'm playing through during this event, because why not. |
Red Templar
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:35:00 -
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Lets gamble if these voiced concerns, about open favoritism, will be actually answered by CCP.
I bet 100mil it will be ignored in a manner of: "lets pretend its not there, and we did nothing wrong and hopefully it will go away". For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
242
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:37:00 -
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It goes against my deeply held religious beliefs to gamble, so I do not gamble. Why is CCP discriminating against certain religious groups?
(I'm not judging anyone who chooses to gamble and would like to not be judged by others on my beliefs) |
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
200
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:52:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Innominate wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Innominate wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Other than CCP believes they are trustworthy, and since all of the items in question (ISK and ship prizes) ultimately only belong to CCP it's their opinion of honesty that matters. CCP believes they have been trustworthy in the past. You'll notice there is nothing in the words to suggest any sort of agreement that somer needs to be fair, or needs to donate all of the proceeds to the tournament. Merely a suggestion that because they've been apparently fair in the past they might continue to be in the future. From what we know, somer can do anything they want with the prizes and lottery proceeds that they want. This is EVE Online. We all know what happens next. You're reaching friend. What do you think somer blink is? Trackable... just like everything you do, and everything I do. Yes, they can try to do anything they like... that doesn't mean there would not be repercussions from the community (and far more importantly from CCP) that would make the attempt EXTREMELY unwise. This is a drop in the bucket compared to what condemnation from CCP would do to their business model. They would have to be inconceivably stupid to play games in this matter.
Their operation isn't really trackable though, becaquse there's no way to track the relationship between characters.
I'm generally willing to give CCP the benefit of the doubt over most issues, and even here, I don't believe there's any deliberate attempt at favouritism. Having said that, I don't think the current giveaway project has been fully thought through.
As I see it, the big issue here is that an event like that not only has to be fair, but has to be seen to be fair because of past history like the T20 episode. Even if the whole event could be monitored by CCP, accounting for every ISK, it wouldn't be enough because, unless the records were made public, doubt would still exist.
I think it's great that CCP are trying to promote and encourage community projects, but I think they have to ensure that any promotion, particularly when involving in-game items or ISK, is run in a completely transparent way. I believe that this event is being run in good faith, but I can understand why other people may need a little more evidence.
It may be a good thing if CCP and the CSM can manage to put in place some kind of framework for ensuring transparency (perhaps along the lines of an extremely simplified version of the ISO9000 standards). An organization would need to comply with these standards/rules Or maybe that's going too far, I dunno :) |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1082
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:14:00 -
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CCP shouldn't be allowing third-party sites to give away expensive in-game items or collectors items. CCP should not be exclusively using one third-party site unless they off similar sites the same opportunity.
[/thread] Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4102
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:49:00 -
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What about giving the players the means to produce their own limited edition ships? This could be as simple as a corporate colour scheme and logo which remains attached to assembled ships regardless of current owner, or as complex as allowing a PLEX-paid lottery-selected facility to have player designed ships incorporated into the game (in a similar vein to the Deviant Art project which lead to the Tornado and Oracle).
There is also the option of a Gold Magnate tribute, the Golden Magnate. This could use the same model as the Gold Magnate with a different skin (a slightly shinier/duller/yellower/redder gold, for example), and the description text could include something along the lines of, "created as a tribute to the original hand-crafted Gold Magnate, the Ardishapur Family Golden Magnate celebrates the pinnacle of Amarr starship crafting. With detail such as the filigree and polishing technique of the Gold Magnate maintained, while the remaining hull is mass produced using contemporary manufacturing techniques, the Golden Magnate is a fusion of the micron-level accuracy of automated fabrication and the ornamental beauty of Amarr gold smithing."
You know, plenty of purple prose to allow collectors and hoarders a little recognition, without devaluing the other unique ships based on the same model.
Then CCP could announce unique ship giveaways for fan sites based on criteria such as "greatest effort in ISK removal" or individuals for "greatest number of Buddy invites converted to six month active subscribers." Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3271
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:51:00 -
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This isn't fair because I don't have them. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
3
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Posted - 2013.09.27 04:00:00 -
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This thread has ballooned quickly since it's start and rightly so.
The original, flawed decision of CCP has not been corrected by the current about turn and the impression of impropriety remains.
Scamming in game is no problem, it's part of what makes Eve so great. But for CCP to explicitly help someone scam outside the game, to promote gambling, to exclude some legitimate subscribers to Eve because they can't use Blink, etc., etc. etc, all the things mentioned in this thread - that directly raises questions about the integrity of CCP as a company. |
Tiffenay
Synchrodyne Holding Synchrodyne
14
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Posted - 2013.09.27 04:04:00 -
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The change in prize doesn't change severity the crime.
You are favoring a particular player group over others.
Under no circumstances is this ever a good idea.
Didn't you guys learn that lesson already? Isn't that why the CSM was created in the first place?
So bad, so very bad.
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Arcueid Saber
Legio XCIX CA
7
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Posted - 2013.09.27 04:13:00 -
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For example, lets use "I quit EVE, send me your ISK and I will return it with a double amount" scheme.
A blue CCP dev decides to log into Jita and posts a local notice " Hello citizens of EVE, this uncreative scammer #1 is a trusted character because I say so even though I have no way to check his previous transactions and only base this on hearsay. Trust me and good day".
Uncreative scammer # n+1 response " WTF".
That will breed mistrust and undermine CCP position as a neutral party in a player driven world known as EVE. |
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