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MyEveLotto
myEVElotto.com
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:57:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Memnon Shepard wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Is there anyone who thinks this is a good idea and isnt a somer alt or a truly mindless brownnoser? MyEveLotto wrote:People with gambling addictions...? Straying a bit into ad hominem attacks for no reason... I'm willing to bet there are people out there, myself included, who aren't SOMER alts/brown nosers/gambling addicts and also think supporting player-driven initiatives to increase community turnout to live events is a good idea. Yes I'm one of them. I'm also one of those people who thinks the way they went about it is pants on head.
This. I like this guy.
I also support CCP trying to support player-driven initiatives.
I just think they did it in perhaps the most terrible way possible, given their history and obvious knowledge of the player-base's perception and reaction toward past examples of favoritism on the part of CCP employees. myEVElotto.com - The New Public Lottery Site |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
33
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:11:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Dex Slim wrote: Just giving one trillion in ISK to SOMER is not fair game. See the difference?
No. No I don't. Somer blink has built up an organization and service that is successful to the point that they can do things like sponsor tournaments and add value/content to EVE. CCP should be able to recognize this and make whatever business arrangements they want with them. How they compensate them for that doesn't really matter to me. They could give them real money. (Which could be used to buy plex and then sold for isk.) They could give them plex. (Which could be sold for isk.) They could give them isk. (Which is already isk.) They could give them ships. (Which could be sold for isk ... or auctioned off for isk.) Either way CCP gets more content in their game and somer gets isk. Cool. So now that the CFC has taken the whole west, and sponsors events like NPSI for the community to join in on, we can have increased deadspace drops within CFC sov as a perk? After all, that doesn't single anyone out - anyone can come rat in that space. They all have a fair chance at the drops just like with Somer. And it's not even collector loot.
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
200
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:13:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Abernie wrote: So CCP should arbitrarily choose entities to give isk to, just because? Yes. That will end well. Maybe it could be cans of t2 bpos next.
What is arbitrary about it? It's a business deal. It's beneficial to both parties. Does a beer company just pick an arbitrary racing team to sponsor or do they pick one they think will win some races and give their brand good exposure?
That argument would legitimise CCP giving, say, T2 BPOs to the site owners without any fanfare - "guys, here's a little something for making a site that involves the community and promotes our game".
Are you seriously saying that would be ok?
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
33
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:14:00 -
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T'kimat wrote:Steijn wrote: Goons have contributed more to the community, lets give them the next set of free limited edition content to do as they please with.
Annoying Gëá contributing Oh come on now. Without goons, what reason would the GRR GOONS crowd have for logging into game/forums and interacting with other players. If that's not content generation, then I don't know what is. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
34
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:20:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Abernie wrote: So CCP should arbitrarily choose entities to give isk to, just because? Yes. That will end well. Maybe it could be cans of t2 bpos next.
What is arbitrary about it? It's a business deal. It's beneficial to both parties. Does a beer company just pick an arbitrary racing team to sponsor or do they pick one they think will win some races and give their brand good exposure? Except CCP is not a beer company.
You don't stick an F1 sticker on one particular F1 team, give the team a 1 2 start in the race, then call it promoting cars. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
716
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:35:00 -
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Tivookempireslave wrote:MyEveLotto wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Who the F-CK cares if SOMER BLINK makes a few mil? You're missing about 6 zeros in that estimate. They're more likely to make a few tril. If CCP had given them a few T3 cruisers or something, there'd be much less concern. CCP gave them a number of priceless items which they did not work for in any way. That's why we're concerned. If you're unhappy that a legit organization gets a pat on the shoulder for the amazing amount of work they've done then I feel sorry for you. The fact that the negative voices of the community stopped this is amazing. This is what's keeping EVE back from becoming a better game.
It's not a pat on the shoulder it's a blank check. If at least there was a way to audit the proceeds of this auction to amke sure every single ISK realted to this action would actually go to the EVE vegas event then it would start to make sense but it's not even the case because SOMER made sure to have thier regular operation also be involved in the auction so nobody will ever know wich ISK was for this or that.
You don't make a better game by having the referee give different calls/bonus to some/one team involved. This is basicly a baseball game where one team gets awarded 5 points on the board because the ref said so. How si that making a better game? |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
352
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:45:00 -
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While catching up with this thread, the name Markee Dragon was mentioned a few times. That particular name was temporarily foggy for a moment; so one quick Google search later, I found this little article.
So a person that had a shady past dealing with RMT (but allegedly has gone straight now) has a loose linked connection with Somer Blink who is the same party CCP wants to give rare items as a gambling prize. CCP has had their own shady past with the T20 ordeal. Birds of a feather that flock together perhaps...?
Just to speculate, since Dust has not been the huge money making project in terms of micro transactions and thus (potentially) left CCP in a deep debt to someone, could this be a twisted way to entice players to pay off that bill? Have people dump real money into game cards, convert them into ISK, and have a prayer's chance of salvation in Hell to win something that might just be rigged for nobody - save a few hand selected alts - to achieve. CCP banks on the purchase of legit gaming cards, this Markee Dragon person uses some old contacts and converts chunks of gambled ISK into a RMT route, this route offers incentives to players who buy these illegal chunks of ISK, and then CCP swoops in and removes these illegal gained ISK while subtly getting a cut of the illegally sold ISK's real money costs. Meanwhile, the winning alts could sell their rare ships to extremely high priced legitimate buyers and use that ISK for various illegal and legal slush funds here and there.
Thus CCP gets a double dip of payment from one ISK.
Nahhh, too far fetched.
*cues X-Files theme music... |
Tiffenay
Synchrodyne Holding Synchrodyne
19
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:56:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:Just to speculate....
I think Hanlon's razor will help you here.
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Heywood Djiblomi
Stay Frosty.
2
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:16:00 -
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When do we start "shooting the monument", so to speak? |
Heywood Djiblomi
Stay Frosty.
2
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:20:00 -
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'eff it... |
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Berstich
InterBus Central Division
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:20:00 -
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How is SOMER making profit? I thought all proceeds from this go to sponsor the vegas event? If they didn't get these profits, they wouldn't sponsor the event right? So...the money is just going back into the player base? |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
388
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:24:00 -
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Berstich wrote:How is SOMER making profit? I thought all proceeds from this go to sponsor the vegas event? If they didn't get these profits, they wouldn't sponsor the event right? So...the money is just going back into the player base?
simply no way of knowing this, like no way of knowing that it will be a 100% genuine lottery and not bent as a nine bob note. |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
167
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:25:00 -
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Well if you goonies think you can come up with some business deal with CCP then I welcome you to go ahead and take it to them. I think you should be prepared to be laughed out of the room though because you're a bunch of horrible trolls. And also because while you do create a great deal of content you also create a massive cyber-bullying controversy at CCPs first fanfest with sony.
My main thought on all of this is that the people in this thread a bunch of hysterical rabble-rousers and that CCP was just trying to do something fun for eve vegas.
This is why we can't have nice things. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
T'kimat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:26:00 -
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Steijn wrote:Berstich wrote:How is SOMER making profit? I thought all proceeds from this go to sponsor the vegas event? If they didn't get these profits, they wouldn't sponsor the event right? So...the money is just going back into the player base? simply no way of knowing this, like no way of knowing that it will be a 100% genuine lottery and not bent as a nine bob note.
No way of knowing otherwise - but you're right, crying and raging is so much more fun. |
MyEveLotto
myEVElotto.com
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:26:00 -
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Berstich wrote:How is SOMER making profit? I thought all proceeds from this go to sponsor the vegas event? If they didn't get these profits, they wouldn't sponsor the event right? So...the money is just going back into the player base?
Incorrect. They integrated the community event with Somer's game system. In order to have a chance at winning one of these prizes which are supposedly open to anyone in the community to win, you MUST participate in blinks. This means that in order to possibly win these prizes, you MUST give money to Somer Blink in order to play in Blinks which give you tickets in the Blast.
That is how Somer is making a profit. They did not have to pay anything for the prizes they are giving out, which means that it is pure profit that they're taking in through the sale of tickets to have a shot at winning the items. These proceeds are not going to the Vegas event, and because the system for awarding these prizes is integrated into the standard system for Somer Blasts, there is no possible way to know what money came in specifically for these prize (thus, there is no way to funnel that money toward the Vegas event).
The money is not going back into the player base at all. It is going into the Somer corporation wallet. myEVElotto.com - The New Public Lottery Site |
Heywood Djiblomi
Stay Frosty.
2
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:27:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Well if you goonies think you can come up with some business deal with CCP then I welcome you to go ahead and take it to them. I think you should be prepared to be laughed out of the room though because you're a bunch of horrible trolls. And also because while you do create a great deal of content you also create a massive cyber-bullying controversy at CCPs first fanfest with sony.
My main thought on all of this is that you're all a bunch of hysterical rabble-rousers and that CCP was just trying to do something fun for eve vegas.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Name-calling is an effective argument technique. |
Sid Hudgens
Totally not an NPC Corp
167
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:30:00 -
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MyEveLotto wrote:Berstich wrote:How is SOMER making profit? I thought all proceeds from this go to sponsor the vegas event? If they didn't get these profits, they wouldn't sponsor the event right? So...the money is just going back into the player base? Incorrect. They integrated the community event with Somer's game system. In order to have a chance at winning one of these prizes which are supposedly open to anyone in the community to win, you MUST participate in blinks. This means that in order to possibly win these prizes, you MUST give money to Somer Blink in order to play in Blinks which give you tickets in the Blast. That is how Somer is making a profit. They did not have to pay anything for the prizes they are giving out, which means that it is pure profit that they're taking in through the sale of tickets to have a shot at winning the items. These proceeds are not going to the Vegas event, and because the system for awarding these prizes is integrated into the standard system for Somer Blasts, there is no possible way to know what money came in specifically for these prize (thus, there is no way to funnel that money toward the Vegas event). The money is not going back into the player base at all. It is going into the Somer corporation wallet.
Well that's an interesting story there. You have first hand knowledge of this or some kind of proof, I'm sure, right?
"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
35
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:37:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Well if you goonies think you can come up with some business deal with CCP then I welcome you to go ahead and take it to them. I think you should be prepared to be laughed out of the room though because you're a bunch of horrible trolls. Wrong thread
Sid Hudgens wrote:And also because while you do create a great deal of content you also create a massive cyber-bullying controversy at CCPs first fanfest with sony. So it's a doubly edged sword huh. Kind of the the whole Somer and promoting gambling against the odds bit.
Sid Hudgens wrote:My main thought on all of this is that the people in this thread a bunch of hysterical rabble-rousers and that CCP was just trying to do something fun for eve vegas. Trying is not good enough. They failed miserably on multiple levels. This is not peewee soccer, where you get a participation ribbon for showing up and don't keep score.
Sid Hudgens wrote:This is why we can't have nice things. You mean like a clear ToS that doesn't need to be clarified and re-clarified across multiple threadnaughts? I don't think the players are the problem here. |
Le Petite More
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
14
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:38:00 -
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"CCP Falcon: Due to complaints regarding overzealous player moderation on this channel, everyone from CCP who has been interacting here will be withdrawing from doing so. The same goes for "The Summit" and "Live Events" The reason for this is that we can't allow players to be locked out of interaction with us based on grudges that are held between players."
Somer Blink bans players for their own reasons. CCP can't keep their story straight for a single month. This is a bad decision and I question how much the fact that a former CCP member worked for Somer Blink drove this decision. Where is the CSM? They were formed to stop CCP from doing exactly this to the sandbox. Why has CCP's only reply in this thread been to promote more Somer Blink events with false information? You have to pay before you can play the free blinks CCP! I have only been playing this game for a few months but this might make me quit before I can fly my first battleship. |
MyEveLotto
myEVElotto.com
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:38:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Well that's an interesting story there. You have first hand knowledge of this or some kind of proof, I'm sure, right?
I'm going to guess that you're incapable of a basic amount of research or understanding on the topic and spell it out for you:
From SOMER's website:
Quote:CCP-Donated Prizes
Once again CCP has come through with some amazing prizes for our Vegas pre-party!
All prizes will be given out as part of the Blink Blast, so you'll earn tickets just for playing Blink like you normally do-- no purchase required!
http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=celebration
Ok, all well and good. You can get tickets for playing Blink, no purchase requi--hey wait. What is playing Blink? Oh yeah...making a purchase.
From SOMER's website Blast page:
Quote:Blink Blast!
Get chances to win the Blast just by playing Blink the way you usually do! Receive tickets for playing Blinks and for winning Blinks
...
For this special party, we have prizes from CCP included as part of the Blast! For more info, check out the celebration page. The one-win-per-lifetime rule does not apply to the special prizes from CCP.
...
Here's how it works: Any time you play any Blink, you receive 1 ticket to the drawing (even if you buy more than one ticket). Plus, if you win the Blink, you receive bonus tickets based on the size of the Blink.
So, you get tickets for the Blast by playing Blink. Again, you must play Blink (which involves paying ticket costs, and thus paying money to Somer) in order to receive tickets in Blast, which allows you a chance at winning the prizes from CCP.
They also come out and say, on these pages, themselves, that the prizes are from CCP. They aren't from Somer, which means Somer didn't pay anything for them. They're from CCP.
CCP Navigator also has stated that CCP is giving the items to Somer for this purpose.
That's your proof.
Somer paid nothing for the items, and because they integrated it into their standard lottery system, it costs money to participate in, and that money goes to them. myEVElotto.com - The New Public Lottery Site |
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
35
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:43:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote: Well that's an interesting story there. You have first hand knowledge of this or some kind of proof, I'm sure, right?
Is there a confirmation box for every ticket you buy, asking if you're buying a regular blink or here for the collector ships? Confirm/deny?
Now if Somer wants to commit that all wallet deposits during this even will be distributed as prizes, that's a different story. But they are not actually giving away isk in the first place.
Every PvP Tournament participant receives 200M Blink Credit! The winners of every match receive 1 Billion Blink Credit each!
You get credit (hey look, they can create money out of thin air on their site and give it away without an ISK deposit in game) to gamble away. The last time I put 100 mil into blink I came out with a Firetail. Credit =/= ISK. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
35
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:52:00 -
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MyEveLotto wrote: So, you get tickets for the Blast by playing Blink. Again, you must play Blink (which involves paying ticket costs, and thus paying money to Somer) in order to receive tickets in Blast, which allows you a chance at winning the prizes from CCP.
The leg CCP is standing on is you can sign up, click a link in the Somer public channel to get 5 free tokens, and get 5 free plays on promos to get 5 free tickets.
WHAT THEY NEGLECT TO MENTION Unless you have deposited a Billion isk into blink or played a regular blink in the last 24 hours, you cannot purchase a promo ticket.
So at the very least you have to send them 2mil isk, play a frigate promo giving them that isk at a 1/8 chance of winning 11 mil, then refresh the site like a hawk to catch 7 promo runs. (the 2 mil deposit will give you another 2 tokens). That will then give you 7 raffle tickets for the limited edition prizes, or 8 if you win the blink you played.
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
716
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:02:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:MyEveLotto wrote:Berstich wrote:How is SOMER making profit? I thought all proceeds from this go to sponsor the vegas event? If they didn't get these profits, they wouldn't sponsor the event right? So...the money is just going back into the player base? Incorrect. They integrated the community event with Somer's game system. In order to have a chance at winning one of these prizes which are supposedly open to anyone in the community to win, you MUST participate in blinks. This means that in order to possibly win these prizes, you MUST give money to Somer Blink in order to play in Blinks which give you tickets in the Blast. That is how Somer is making a profit. They did not have to pay anything for the prizes they are giving out, which means that it is pure profit that they're taking in through the sale of tickets to have a shot at winning the items. These proceeds are not going to the Vegas event, and because the system for awarding these prizes is integrated into the standard system for Somer Blasts, there is no possible way to know what money came in specifically for these prize (thus, there is no way to funnel that money toward the Vegas event). The money is not going back into the player base at all. It is going into the Somer corporation wallet. Well that's an interesting story there. You have first hand knowledge of this or some kind of proof, I'm sure, right?
Well we do have first hand knowledge aboutt he fact that the ISK cannot be tracked wether they were for the limited items or regular blink participation that somer always see. Since we can't track each ISK, there is no way to know how much ISK would be needed to be xfered to EVE vegas for them to get back to a break even point. The prize being announced before the blast is over mean that somer does not care about how much isk will get in the wallet. They were gonna donate anyway so all they get from those items is gravy on top of regular operation. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
38
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:03:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:MyEveLotto wrote: So, you get tickets for the Blast by playing Blink. Again, you must play Blink (which involves paying ticket costs, and thus paying money to Somer) in order to receive tickets in Blast, which allows you a chance at winning the prizes from CCP.
The leg CCP is standing on is you can sign up, click a link in the Somer public channel to get 5 free tokens, and get 5 free plays on promos to get 5 free tickets. WHAT THEY NEGLECT TO MENTIONUnless you have deposited a Billion isk into blink or played a regular blink in the last 24 hours, you cannot purchase a promo ticket.So at the very least you have to send them 2mil isk, play a frigate promo giving them that isk at a 1/8 chance of winning 11 mil, then refresh the site like a hawk to catch 7 promo runs. (the 2 mil deposit will give you another 2 tokens). That will then give you 7 raffle tickets for the limited edition prizes, or 8 if you win the blink you played. They also fail to mention that if you are banned by somer blink you CANNOT compete for this prize. So if you fail to follow the toc`s of a 3rd party website, then you will not be able to compete for these unique prizes. Does this really sound fair? |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
36
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:07:00 -
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sally Deninard wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:MyEveLotto wrote: So, you get tickets for the Blast by playing Blink. Again, you must play Blink (which involves paying ticket costs, and thus paying money to Somer) in order to receive tickets in Blast, which allows you a chance at winning the prizes from CCP.
The leg CCP is standing on is you can sign up, click a link in the Somer public channel to get 5 free tokens, and get 5 free plays on promos to get 5 free tickets. WHAT THEY NEGLECT TO MENTIONUnless you have deposited a Billion isk into blink or played a regular blink in the last 24 hours, you cannot purchase a promo ticket.So at the very least you have to send them 2mil isk, play a frigate promo giving them that isk at a 1/8 chance of winning 11 mil, then refresh the site like a hawk to catch 7 promo runs. (the 2 mil deposit will give you another 2 tokens). That will then give you 7 raffle tickets for the limited edition prizes, or 8 if you win the blink you played. They also fail to mention that if you are banned by somer blink you CANNOT compete for this prize. So if you fail to follow the toc`s of a 3rd party website, then you will not be able to compete for these unique prizes. Does this really sound fair? Yeah I brought that up ~10 pages back. Along with a CCP Falcon quote about not excluding members of the community based on player vs player grudges.
Also there are things people have been banned from Blink over that are not listed as rules anywhere in their site. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
38
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:12:00 -
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Thx Vald i`ve been trying to bring this up as others are overlooking it. It may not be a case of a player run corp choosing a winner, but it`s definately a case of them choosing who doesn`t win and that smells mighty corrupt. |
Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
264
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:26:00 -
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Have we figured out yet what someone needs to do to get free **** from CCP? Surely Red Frog does enough work for the EVE community to be considered for the next 500 billion ISK gift? How about PL, Kingmakers of Nullsec? EVE Uni perhaps, or RvB?
Or do you have to sponsor player-run events to get free cash? In that case I'd like to enter Goonwaffe for sponsoring Hulkageddon V, and Erotica 1 for being the only honest ISK doubler in EVE and sponsoring the New Order. E: oh and Gevlon Goblin for sponsoring TEST, thus creating some nice fights in Fountain. |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
100
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:27:00 -
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sally Deninard wrote:Thx Vald i`ve been trying to bring this up as others are overlooking it. It may not be a case of a player run corp choosing a winner, but it`s definately a case of them choosing who doesn`t win and that smells mighty corrupt. I like how CCP hasn't addressed this at all. - Three days and a bit until the drawing.
As time passes more and more of players isk is going into somer's wallet.
How long will CCP wait until addressing issues? Is CSM going to say anything?
This and more in the next excruciating episode of T20 vol.2: The Somergate |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
194
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:42:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote: Well that's an interesting story there. You have first hand knowledge of this or some kind of proof, I'm sure, right?
I'm sure you can lay out Somerblinks site code, the persons and their alts behind it, how much they put into their own pockets, and how much cash they make with referrals? |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
36
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Posted - 2013.09.27 21:20:00 -
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Sirane Elrek wrote:Have we figured out yet what someone needs to do to get free **** from CCP? Surely Red Frog does enough work for the EVE community to be considered for the next 500 billion ISK gift? How about PL, Kingmakers of Nullsec? EVE Uni perhaps, or RvB?
Or do you have to sponsor player-run events to get free cash? In that case I'd like to enter Goonwaffe for sponsoring Hulkageddon V, and Erotica 1 for being the only honest ISK doubler in EVE and sponsoring the New Order. E: oh and Gevlon Goblin for sponsoring TEST, thus creating some nice fights in Fountain. Well, the CFC apparently doesn't need it. We just blew a few hundred billion ISK shooting each other, at a community event everyone was invited to partake in. |
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