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greeny knight
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:49:00 -
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why not instead give intresting items to subscribers that have a subscription for five years - 10 years and so on not everybody use out of game sites , but are still dedicated to eve .
that wold make more sence ,and those guys find there appriciated instead of bieng a part of the decoration ?? |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
559
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:54:00 -
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Wow, t20 all over again except this time with allot more spin. We know what's really going on here tho ccp, you're breaking your sandbox so your friends can get fake isk. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
908
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Posted - 2013.10.05 12:32:00 -
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shame on you CCP The Tears Must Flow |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5141
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:03:00 -
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I guess now we know why Navigator's sole response to this thread was to advertise Somer BLINK. |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
412
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:58:00 -
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I know its goons and everything has to be taken with a pinch of salt, but I wouldnt be surprised if whats wrote is true. |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
421
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:40:00 -
[696] - Quote
Meh call my cynical but I think its probably true. CCP seems to have quite the history with gross PR incompetence and a history in failing to learn from previous mistakes. |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
97
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:09:00 -
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Abernie wrote:I am honestly baffled how it's possible you missed the point so badly...
In my meatspace professional experience I have found that the primary job requirement for being in marketing is no brains, no scruples, no shame, and sometimes a pretty face. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4691
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:08:00 -
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Thanks, CCP Navigator, for creating all this content.
Besides just the OP of this thread, of course There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:50:00 -
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Not only did Somer and co get these super special Cruiser/frigates to auction, or keep, whatever. But they also were secretly spawned a nice big pile of valuable faction ships?
Certain people just cannot resist can they? They cant keep their hands out of the ******* cookie jar.
Like what a surprise that certain people at CCP find it okay to spawn tens of thousands of dollars of in game items for their pets, not like this has ever happened before is it? But yet I am surprised, surprised at the boldness of openly spawning this stuff and saying 'whatever' when people call them on it.
Whatever excuses about rewarding content creators, (I mean what?) doing so in this fashion is simply pissing in the sandbox, pissing on all the other players and telling us that it's raining.
I realise that outside of the game itself, CCP is a business and that its quite normal to have business relationships that result in corporate hospitality of one form or another, so CCP gift these pukes at Somer tickets to your little bang parties at Vegas and Rejk, not one **** would be given by the playerbase, in fact I think most people would think it rather cool.
Yet you persist in contaminating the virtual world by allowing whoever and whatever Somer really represents to CCP to gain enormously valuable gifts and consequently a massive advantage over any player trying to obtain these things or a particular status for themselves through normal play.
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Kern Hotha
53
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:22:00 -
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If CCP truly did create these valuable assets and gave them to pilots in a particular corporation, it's every bit as sleazy as the t20 blueprints. We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.
Jose Ortega y Gasset (1883 - 1955) |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4692
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:27:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:I guess now we know why Navigator's sole response to this thread was to advertise Somer BLINK. Because he thought he got away with spawning them those scorpions? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
70
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:34:00 -
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Alexi Steele wrote:Sirane Elrek wrote:There's a bit of a rumor going on at the moment that SOMER Blink has been the recipient of another half a trillion handout by CCP in August (secretly of course, making it public would be weird). Anyone care to comment? Can we have our Sabre BPOs yet? Mittens.com - where goons go to be told what to think, and be confronted with an eyeraping amount of advertisement banners.And let's not forget quality stories like this one - http://i.imgur.com/Juk1JMB.pngYou truely are EN24 2.0
Adblock has enhanced my life the way few other apps have ever done. |
Baali Tekitsu
God Bless My Enemies
14
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:31:00 -
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I demand a Magstab, a Gyrostab and a Heat sink t2 BPO, aswell as a lifetime 100% ship loss value insurance for Thrashers, as I have been creating a lot of content flying Thrashers and other ships. A Vindicator BPO would be nice too, as I plan on creating a lot of content in Vindicators in the future. |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
180
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Posted - 2013.10.06 05:20:00 -
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I am still not sure why CCP is in the business of endorsing third party sites who's purpose is to earn IN GAME profits?
Basically you are giving people ISK.
A smart business person would know the way to avoid all perceived impropriety would be not to deal with them at all. Are you telling me that you've tracked every isk that has gone into SomerBLINK and that not one isk has been RMT'ed, or gone to any person who has engaged in a EULA violation?
People have written extensively on this elsewhere, but there is absolutely no reason that a third part site should be chosen to handle such high value prizes. You do realize that there are places that these prizes are subject to federal taxes? Do SomerBLINK employees make enough game time value from their efforts that they would have to pay taxes on the value? Do they?
My point in this is that CCP is not just playing a game here, it is your business. You have now engaged in what amounts to a contract with SomerBLINK. They have even received rewards for their efforts (see other forums). Are you really willing to endorse them 100%? If so can we have at least some insight into how extensive your investigation of them was before you made this decision?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4715
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:33:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:My point in this is that CCP is not just playing a game here, it is your business. You have now engaged in what amounts to a contract with SomerBLINK. They have even received rewards for their efforts (see other forums). Are you really willing to endorse them 100%? If so can we have at least some insight into how extensive your investigation of them was before you made this decision? Can't discuss moderation doubtless.
Just trust ccp, they never did anything bad.
Making sure you never find out if possible is just another decision taken to enhance eve online There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
189
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:48:00 -
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I'd like to issue a simple comparison:
http://omg.la/bs/
Third party site. It requires no isk from me, no information from me, grants me access to lots of nifty goodness without profiting the owner one bit. While it does not tell me Chribba's real name, it does provide me with a nice little out of game email. It makes no attempt to market Chribba's in game services at all. In fact is blatantly avoids this sort of activity. This says to me, "I am a third party supporting EVE, and I am not trying to meddle with anything in game, just help you out. In fact, if you need to contact me out of game, here you go." There are literally no strings attached.
VS.
http://cogdev.net/
Nifty looking site. Would appear to be some sort of out of game development corporation, but clicking on anything quickly provides you with the same SomerBLINK page. There is no out of game contact information, no service offered to me other than the chance to gamble in their program and thus for them to make profit. I have to register to even do anything of interest. Clicking register reveals that I must trust the website, providing them with information about my character and location in game. This is all well and good - in fact they are rather unobstrusive, not asking for any API data, etc.. It is a great IN GAME site.
But it promises nothing in regards to their business practices, provides no out of game contact information and is clearly designed to do one thing: MAKE ISK.
Saying SomerBLINK is the epitomy of third part sites is like saying that the guy who stocks my local 0.0 market is a great third party contributor. You should find the guy out there who stocks the most markets successfully and get him to run your EVE Store since there is clearly a correlation in your mind between the ability to do something successfully in a game and in real life.
Please, don't get me wrong. I don't fault SomerBLINK other than to assert that it would have been more ethical for them to turn down any gifts or 'real world' contracts/offers from CCP. But they run a solid site that people enjoy and if they are skimming and shilling, well hey, that's EVE. But they aren't a 'fansite'. They provide no free service, they are MAKING ISK.
CCP - why do you not understand this? |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
362
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:10:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Meh call my cynical but I think its probably true. CCP seems to have quite the history with gross PR incompetence and a history in failing to learn from previous mistakes.
Indeed, maybe instead of giving these guys a backhander they should actually go learn from them and maybe hire a few to do some marketing for them, seriously if no one at CCP can see what Somer is then they really need to get someone with a bit of buisness sense on board, fair to say there a lot of better buisness people playing Eve than making it. |
Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
47
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:24:00 -
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What happened to just putting an ingame monument with names on it, to reward players for their contributions to the wider EVE community ?
That's been done before.
As has making ingame objects (with no particular use) with players names on them.
Instead of all these Gold Magnates, Guardian Vexors, and Ishukone Scorpions, CCP should just have thrown up an ingame monument outside a station of Somer's choice.
But now it's too late.
Julius Caesar wrote:Alea iacta est Could say CCP have crossed the Rubicon, as regards community relations. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9670
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:45:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:I'd like to issue a simple comparison: http://omg.la/bs/Third party site. It requires no isk from me, no information from me, grants me access to lots of nifty goodness without profiting the owner one bit. While it does not tell me Chribba's real name, it does provide me with a nice little out of game email. It makes no attempt to market Chribba's in game services at all. In fact is blatantly avoids this sort of activity. This says to me, "I am a third party supporting EVE, and I am not trying to meddle with anything in game, just help you out. In fact, if you need to contact me out of game, here you go." There are literally no strings attached. VS. http://cogdev.net/Nifty looking site. Would appear to be some sort of out of game development corporation, but clicking on anything quickly provides you with the same SomerBLINK page. There is no out of game contact information, no service offered to me other than the chance to gamble in their program and thus for them to make profit. I have to register to even do anything of interest. Clicking register reveals that I must trust the website, providing them with information about my character and location in game. This is all well and good - in fact they are rather unobstrusive, not asking for any API data, etc.. It is a great IN GAME site. But it promises nothing in regards to their business practices, provides no out of game contact information and is clearly designed to do one thing: MAKE ISK. Saying SomerBLINK is the epitomy of third part sites is like saying that the guy who stocks my local 0.0 market is a great third party contributor. You should find the guy out there who stocks the most markets successfully and get him to run your EVE Store since there is clearly a correlation in your mind between the ability to do something successfully in a game and in real life. Please, don't get me wrong. I don't fault SomerBLINK other than to assert that it would have been more ethical for them to turn down any gifts or 'real world' contracts/offers from CCP. But they run a solid site that people enjoy and if they are skimming and shilling, well hey, that's EVE. But they aren't a 'fansite'. They provide no free service, they are MAKING ISK. Anwyay I've posted too much on this - just too much time today. But I've thought it over and basically this comes down to these four things: 1) SOMERblink is not the contributor to the EVE community that CCP seems to think it is. They are good, and provide gambling content, but that is it. They are no different than EOH or other gambling sites. And their website is just designed to make it easier to give them isk, it is not a fansite or even a community site. Look to Chribba's as well as other people's work for that. 2) CCP should handle giving out high value prizes itself. They shouldn't endorse a third party site that is designed purely for in game profit making, with no out of game presence or recourse to give away these things. Not everyone puts equal faith in these third party sites - and it is especially true when it is basically an "in game" only site, with restrictions that would make the prize distribution potentially unfair. As good an idea as using third parties to give out prizes and promos may have seemed, it is not. Especially when the company chosen is an in-game company. Use Ten Ton Hammer, Battleclinic, or some other out of game site that has no role in the EVE economy. 3) CCP, it is your right to reward people you think contribute to the game. We the players find it a little odd that you view making isk a contribution, but hey its your show. But don't give away items of high in game value, in fact the only way to do this well is not give away in game items at all. Artwork, ship models, etc., would recognize people who helped - but not affect the in game economy in any way. 4) CCP needs to think closely about who they partner with for out of game give-a-ways and whom they reward with ships and other promos. They should keep in mind that even the perception of impropriety is a problem and avoid it at all costs. Partnering with entities who's primary purpose is to make in game isk is not in congruence with this principle and should be avoided. Clearly, I did **** wrong seeing as it appears that if you create for-profit things, you get awarded even more by CCP compared to those that has the goal of improving and growing the community.
Not that I would change things because I've done it all for the community, clearly getting a second job would net me more money(and indirectly isk) if that is what would matter to me.
For me, the reward of being recognized by community and CCP via spotlights and comments of appreciation has been driving me to keep doing things. But with that in mind now, knowing that perhaps you can earn billions and trillions by always looking at the ISK profit I foresee lots of future services and dedication to be aimed directly at that very goal.
tbh if I could vote anyone to receive things like this, without a doubt I'd put all my votes on EVE-Uni and RvB, those are role models if there ever was any! Go to FanFest... EVE-Uni has set up their own "booth", talking, sharing, storytelling anyone who is interested - two words come to mind there, dedication and content.
/c
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Zee Space Plane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:02:00 -
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Chribba wrote: tbh if I could vote anyone to receive things like this, without a doubt I'd put all my votes on EVE-Uni and RvB
Neat. You picked two corps that blinks give hundreds of billions to.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9671
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:16:00 -
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Zee Space Plane wrote:Chribba wrote: tbh if I could vote anyone to receive things like this, without a doubt I'd put all my votes on EVE-Uni and RvB
Neat. You picked two corps that blinks give hundreds of billions to. While you're busy floating around in your not-profiting 4 mining titans or dozens of AT ships, how much have you given those two corps? And while we're at that - how much RL cash have you made off those RMT banners on your websites? Noticed you were flying to two eve conventions in the same month. Vegas and Australia. Must be good money. That doesn't explain why CCP didn't give directly to them now does it? I've given lectures/guest speeches to EVE-Uni, I've applauded RvB ops in local. Have not donated any ISK no, but have had the pleasure of showing my appreciation of what they do in other ways - I hope at least - only them can answer if it was enough or not really.
As for banners, 1) hosting costs, how much have you paid me for hosting files/videos that you might have clicked and viewed... 2) look into how google ads work and the constant battle of trying to block RMT sites from being shown
As for me flying to conventions, are you reviewing my expenses or have any clue what I decide to put my money on? I do have a job you know lol if I decide to eat noodles for 6 months to fly to some eve meets how does that even relate to me not being given gifts in-game?
/c
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Zee Space Plane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:17:00 -
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Chribba wrote:me not being given gifts in-game?
Highlighting what this is about.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9671
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:21:00 -
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Zee Space Plane wrote:Chribba wrote:me not being given gifts in-game? Highlighting what this is about. If you read the previous post you'd see that I was happy with the recognition and community appreciation.
/c
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Zee Space Plane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:28:00 -
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I'd be happy with the recognition and community appreciation that resulted in hundreds of billions in limited ships, titans, and an outpost too.
And, just to make sure I understand - you "supported" those two organizations by talking to them and cheering at them in local?
How incredibly full of yourself are you that you think that counts as support at all, to anyone?
If I cheer for RVB in local, can I cry at how wounded I am that my amazing support of them isn't recognized? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9672
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:41:00 -
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Zee Space Plane wrote:I'd be happy with the recognition and community appreciation that resulted in hundreds of billions in limited ships, titans, and an outpost too.
And, just to make sure I understand - you "supported" those two organizations by talking to them and cheering at them in local?
How incredibly full of yourself are you that you think that counts as support at all, to anyone?
If I cheer for RVB in local, can I cry at how wounded I am that my amazing support of them isn't recognized? Perhaps I am full of myself, but both EVE-Uni and RvB asked me to "make an appearance", at least to me counts as a "support". So it seems that they did appreciate that support, but hey I could be all wrong and I was tricked into thinking that they wanting me to talk and show up was just a troll - which I then obviously fell for.
But then, obviously it was enough for you to use an alt that is 4 hours old... too afraid to post your views on your main?
/c
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Zee Space Plane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:46:00 -
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Oh no. A "fite me on ur main!" post.
I guess if talking to your fanboys counts as supporting them, Mintchip is a big Chribba supporter, huh?
But you still haven't explained how you haven't profited your way into all those limited edition ships. I'd like to hear that answer before your fanboys show up to "support" you.
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Zee Space Plane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:48:00 -
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Forgot what I came here to post to start with while kicking the *****.
CCP - don't give ingame **** to anyone. Hypocritical fanboys or lotto mongers. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9672
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:50:00 -
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Zee Space Plane wrote:Oh no. A "fite me on ur main!" post.
I guess if talking to your fanboys counts as supporting them, Mintchip is a big Chribba supporter, huh?
But you still haven't explained how you haven't profited your way into all those limited edition ships. I'd like to hear that answer before your fanboys show up to "support" you.
Easy, I've worked, done industry, missions and trading as well I have built a reputation that enables me to conduct 3rd party service for which I charge a fee, over the course of 8 years building reputation and providing service I've earned ISK that allowed me to purchase some of the AT ships as well as supercapitals.,
Anything unclear?
/c
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Liam Todd Bloodstar
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:54:00 -
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Above idiots are arguing nothing...
Anyway, It has been said in the other thread that SommerBlink profited 35 Trillion ISK from the CCP gifts... Now of course add in the new ships they were given.
35 Trillion ISK equates to just under $1 million in translation to PLEX.
Watch for the RMT on this one.
F this garbage, Im out |
Embarased for You
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:55:00 -
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Zee Space Plane wrote:Mintchip is a big Chribba supporter, huh?
User name relevant. |
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