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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:43:00 -
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Covops cloak drone assist is a bad idea. You'll have fleets pop out at 100km sniping unpenalized with warpstabs. |
Leppales Beddelver
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:44:00 -
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Are you kidding, we haven't seen anything yet... |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:46:00 -
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Revamp drone assist, make it use the assisted ships bandwidth rather than the hosts ships bandwidth Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:46:00 -
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Other than drone assist problems, the SOE ships sound bad ass. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
Spurty
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:46:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:47:00 -
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The Spod wrote:Covops cloak drone assist is a bad idea. You'll have fleets pop out at 100km sniping unpenalized with warpstabs. No they are not overpowered. These ships are amazing for the solo player!!!! |
David Kir
Tailender
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:48:00 -
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Short answer: no. Long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:55:00 -
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Before you start claiming they are overpowered at least let them hit the test server... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:59:00 -
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Why armor again ? :(
Amarr are armor Gallente are armor Half of minmatar are armor
Capital ships are 90% armor.
Stop !!
PS : Could be the opportunity to make a shield drone boat other than a faction pirate ultra expensive. G££ <= Me |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:02:00 -
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If you would have ran cloaky warpstabbed dominix camps you'd know these are going to be annoyingly untouchable. These will be popping out 200km from fleets, sniping stuff and warping out with stabs as a precaution before anything gets a bearing on them. Every newbie will be doing the BURN EDEN thing and the game will become feminine. |
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Psychoactive Stimulant
TinklePee
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:06:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Why armor again ? :(
Amarr are armor Gallente are armor Half of minmatar are armor
Capital ships are 90% armor.
Stop !!
PS : Could be the opportunity to make a shield drone boat other than a faction pirate ultra expensive.
Cry more. |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:13:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Why armor again ? :(
Amarr are armor Gallente are armor Half of minmatar are armor
Capital ships are 90% armor.
Stop !!
PS : Could be the opportunity to make a shield drone boat other than a faction pirate ultra expensive.
Caldari are shield Minmatar are shield
And nearly every f*cking pirate ship is SHIELD
I'm glad they gave those of us that specialize in armor a multi-race battleship worth flying. Compared to armor, shield is OP in so many aspects, from DPS to logi support. At least this is one step forward in the armor/shield balancing.
People say "oh shield can't fit ewar compared to armor!" and I say "BULLSH*T!" because nearly all shield ships have enough slots to hold a great shield tank and necessary ewar. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
402
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:32:00 -
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The Spod wrote:If you would have ran cloaky warpstabbed dominix camps you'd know these are going to be annoyingly untouchable. These will be popping out 200km from fleets, sniping stuff and warping out with stabs as a precaution before anything gets a bearing on them. Every newbie will be doing the BURN EDEN thing and the game will become feminine.
What exactly do you mean by feminine?
These ships imo will be good for the solo player, and I welcome that, too long have solo guys needed alts to scan and scout for them just to get around safely in new eden, the present mechanics of which favour small gangs and fleets. This is step away from that and I think it's a good thing. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:33:00 -
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Since they're drone-based, it's pretty much a given they'll need to be armor for the additional low slots. Geez people, relax - you haven't even seen the stats... It's something new, and I welcome the new additions (hoping there might be a SoE battleship as well). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:01:00 -
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The Spod wrote:Every newbie will be doing the BURN EDEN thing...
Really?
You mean every newbie who hasn't been running SoE missions for long enough to burn the LP to get one of these ships? Every newbie who can't afford what is essentially a pirate faction frigate or cruiser off the market from people who have? Every newbie who doesn't have max command skills in two separate races?
Or are we talking about some other kind of newbie? Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1567
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:02:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote: What exactly do you mean by feminine?
Pretty sure they meant 'gay' but were too afraid to actually say it. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Kueyen
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:07:00 -
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I too think that the problem, if any, would lie with the drone assist mechanic, not with these ships in and of themselves. Support L4 highsec Sisters of EVE security agents in all four empire factions! Those new SoE faction ships in EVE: Rubicon won't buy themselves! |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
848
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:25:00 -
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Hmmm |
Gorgoth24
Sickology Dead Terrorists
47
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:12:00 -
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I have to agree that this is a problem to be avoided. You should definitely post this concern in the stickied SOE thread whenever it comes |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
236
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:39:00 -
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The Spod wrote: Every newbie will be doing the BURN EDEN thing and the game will become feminine.
lets be honest here, burn eden was one of the few crews who could work ninjya ops with a consistent degree of success. Many have tried to emulate them and the other few skilled crews...and they did not get the same amount of success. Many of these good crews, not overtly newbish. .
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Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:26:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Altrue wrote:Why armor again ? :(
Amarr are armor Gallente are armor Half of minmatar are armor
Capital ships are 90% armor.
Stop !!
PS : Could be the opportunity to make a shield drone boat other than a faction pirate ultra expensive. Caldari are shield Minmatar are shield
And nearly every f*cking pirate ship is SHIELDI'm glad they gave those of us that specialize in armor a multi-race battleship worth flying. Compared to armor, shield is OP in so many aspects, from DPS to logi support. At least this is one step forward in the armor/shield balancing. People say "oh shield can't fit ewar compared to armor!" and I say "BULLSH*T!" because nearly all shield ships have enough slots to hold a great shield tank and necessary ewar.
Mach is Armor Vindi is Armor Nightmare is Shield Rattler is Sheild.....
YOu seem mad bro. and logi ? wtf armor logi is so much easier to fit that sheild. |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
31
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:48:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote:Altrue wrote:Why armor again ? :(
Amarr are armor Gallente are armor Half of minmatar are armor
Capital ships are 90% armor.
Stop !!
PS : Could be the opportunity to make a shield drone boat other than a faction pirate ultra expensive. Caldari are shield Minmatar are shield
And nearly every f*cking pirate ship is SHIELDI'm glad they gave those of us that specialize in armor a multi-race battleship worth flying. Compared to armor, shield is OP in so many aspects, from DPS to logi support. At least this is one step forward in the armor/shield balancing. People say "oh shield can't fit ewar compared to armor!" and I say "BULLSH*T!" because nearly all shield ships have enough slots to hold a great shield tank and necessary ewar. Mach is Armor Vindi is Armor Nightmare is Shield Rattler is Sheild..... YOu seem mad bro. and logi ? wtf armor logi is so much easier to fit that sheild.
Sorry... did you say armor Mach? Wut... -Bl+¦d |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
35
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Posted - 2013.09.27 05:15:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote:Altrue wrote:Why armor again ? :(
Amarr are armor Gallente are armor Half of minmatar are armor
Capital ships are 90% armor.
Stop !!
PS : Could be the opportunity to make a shield drone boat other than a faction pirate ultra expensive. Caldari are shield Minmatar are shield
And nearly every f*cking pirate ship is SHIELDI'm glad they gave those of us that specialize in armor a multi-race battleship worth flying. Compared to armor, shield is OP in so many aspects, from DPS to logi support. At least this is one step forward in the armor/shield balancing. People say "oh shield can't fit ewar compared to armor!" and I say "BULLSH*T!" because nearly all shield ships have enough slots to hold a great shield tank and necessary ewar. Mach is Armor Vindi is Armor Nightmare is Shield Rattler is Sheild..... YOu seem mad bro. and logi ? wtf armor logi is so much easier to fit that sheild.
Pretty sure the the Mach can be happily shield fit, same goes for the Vindi. (see just about every Shield incursion fleet, Alliance tournament last year ect ect.
Bhaal , not so much.
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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.27 05:22:00 -
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By every newbie doing the UDIE thing I mean doing the same by warping SOE ships 200km from enemy cloaked, painting it for assist with a fast long range lock manticore (fit to just lock from 100km) and warping out after sentry blaps. This will be the guerrilla stuff done easymode, no more elite required.
By this becoming the norm for warfare, the game will be less about manly punch contests, hence feminine. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
993
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Posted - 2013.09.27 06:08:00 -
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At the rate we're going with the drone assist mechanic, they'll have just taken it out before we even get to the expac release.
Besides, if you're going to argue armor/vs shield...
Shield fit it anyway since it's a cov ops. Moar deeps. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:38:00 -
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A simple drone assist fix would be for it to require locking the assistee. |
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
90
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Posted - 2013.09.27 15:02:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Short answer: no. Long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
How very Yahtzee of you...
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Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2013.09.27 15:41:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote: YOu seem mad bro. and logi ? wtf armor logi is so much easier to fit that sheild.
The good Guardian fits seem to be rather more expensive than good Basilisk fits.
Aside from that, when it comes to PvP I'm not seeing this "shield beats armour" thing at all. Shield ships do not have the mids for tank, prop mod, and good ewar/utility. They're also much easier to hit than armour ships (bigger signatures, nowadays armour ships aren't balanced by being slow), so they take more damage. Yes, armour reps are slower landing that first cycle, but they also have time (except vs. alpha strikes, but a good alpha strike leaves no time to land shield reps either) due to armour ships having their buffer (the shields) on the 'outside' rather than the 'inside' (like a shield ship with its armour under its shields). On top of that, armour ships tend to have more of their tank be totally passive (thanks to EANMs), so they're less vulnerable to being capped out and nuked while their tank is dead.
And then there's the very real thing that when the FC says "shield fleet" that means "Caldari and a couple of people in rust buckets". When they say "armour fleet" it means "anything but Caldari". There's a huge difference in choice there, in favour of armour. It also means that when you face a shield fleet you know it's going to be missiles, hybrids, and maybe a few autocannon/artillery, the odds of EM damage is pretty low, and drone are unlikely to be a major feature of the fight. Facing an armour fleet it could be anything, any damage type, and there could well be drone boats - armour is more versatile.
All shield ships really have going for them is more low slots free for DPS mods (and once you consider the option of putting tracking mods into the mids, it's not always a very big advantage).
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LeAnys
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Posted - 2013.09.27 22:27:00 -
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The Spod wrote:Covops cloak drone assist is a bad idea. You'll have fleets pop out at 200km sniping unpenalized with warpstabs.
EDIT: for the people who don't know what this means, cloaky drone snipers have been a good thing since 2008. Using the drone assist bypasses all penalties from warpstabs and cloak, so your sentries hit stuff from 150-200km 3 seconds after decloaking and assigning them to your tackle.
Now you'll have fleets of these harassing people with no counter by having one ultra fast long range lock ship blapping with sentries from de-cloaking blobs of warpstabbed cloaky ships. These are bombers on high amounts of overpowered steroids.
1 No 2 How about no 3 Im sick off those carebears act all smart and **** 4 cloaking abandon your drones, so only u can use cloak to get in position, not for assisting then claoking, so nothing of your so called "clocky drone assisting" Drones are like a little children, disobeying and annoying |
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