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Adiaforos Anousios
Greek Death Squad
1
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Posted - 2013.09.27 07:35:00 -
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Hi guys i d like to ask some things about Gallente frigates... i usually fly Fed navy comet , incursus ,tristan and sometimes atron
My main question is : How to counter A scramble range TD ship like slasher or Firetail.. For example when i use blasters and hes out of range (scramble range) switch to Null is not a option cause i am gonna lose eve more tracking (+the TD)....if i am Rail fitted also what ?
Secondly if someone could tell me what frigate fights and even Destros i should avoid .
And the last one When should i use orbit or keep at range ( i mean Vs what guns ) For example vs autocannos do blasters have better tracking so i could orbit them ?
Thank you in advance just trying to become better..An article could help too ;P |

Hormone1971
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.09.27 07:42:00 -
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Use an ab and overheat. A web will also help heaps. |

Adiaforos Anousios
Greek Death Squad
1
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:33:00 -
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Ty really appreciate it ;)
I just need sth more detailed to guide me through. |

Danny John-Peter
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
307
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:39:00 -
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Rail comet should easy-mode a TD Firetail, heat away from them load Javelin and hope.
Should be fine. |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1433
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:21:00 -
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I don't ever use Javelin
But yea rail comet/incursus roll over just about all other frigates. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Adiaforos Anousios
Greek Death Squad
1
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:00:00 -
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why heat away since i load javelin ? Ty btw i just need to learn more xD |

Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
75
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:03:00 -
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Adiaforos Anousios wrote:why heat away since i load javelin ? Ty btw i just need to learn more xD You'll be going away from them in a straight line, they will try to catch up and reestablish the orbit = perfect tracking. pew pew |

Adiaforos Anousios
Greek Death Squad
1
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:10:00 -
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<3 Zen
You need to gief me some private lessons i guess xD |

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
953
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:58:00 -
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Manual piloting is a good skill to get used to. Using the orbit and keep at range commands is extremely limiting. You can take advantage of his inertia to get him closer or further away.
For example, if you're blaster fit and you're being kited, you're going to be very close to the edge of scram range. Just burn away from him and get out of web range. He'll turn towards you to get back into range, at which point you overheat your afterburner and burn right at him. End result - you'll be on his face and melting him. Just make sure not to orbit him if he has a tracking disruptor. A silly mistake lots of people make is to orbit their target while they have low-tracking weapons or are TD'd, and break their own tracking.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1433
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:24:00 -
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I don't know, i use orbit and keep range a fuckton ^^
Its more about knowing when to not use them rather than trying to avoid using them. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
953
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:28:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:I don't know, i use orbit and keep range a fuckton ^^
Its more about knowing when to not use them rather than trying to avoid using them.
I should clarify - It's not that you shouldn't ever use them, it's that you shouldn't only use them |

Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
131
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:32:00 -
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Adiaforos Anousios wrote:Hi guys i d like to ask some things about Gallente frigates... i usually fly Fed navy comet , incursus ,tristan and sometimes atron
My main question is : How to counter A scramble range TD ship like slasher or Firetail.. For example when i use blasters and hes out of range (scramble range) switch to Null is not a option cause i am gonna lose eve more tracking (+the TD)....if i am Rail fitted also what ?
Secondly if someone could tell me what frigate fights and even Destros i should avoid .
And the last one When should i use orbit or keep at range ( i mean Vs what guns ) For example vs autocannos do blasters have better tracking so i could orbit them ?
Thank you in advance just trying to become better..An article could help too ;P
Eve is rock paper scissors. In this case, you have paper and they have scissors. Change your fit to become rock and they die pretty fast. Of course, if you look like a rock, scissors isn't going to want to fight you. QCATS is recruiting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
954
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:24:00 -
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Quote:Eve is rock paper scissors. In this case, you have paper and they have scissors. Change your fit to become rock and they die pretty fast. Of course, if you look like a rock, scissors isn't going to want to fight you.
Believe it or not, not all fights are won before they begin. Of the ships he listed, a Comet, Tristan and an Atron should absolutely destroy a kitey Slasher if piloted right, and an Incursus stands a decent chance. Firetail is a bit harder, but I'd still bet on a Comet over a scram-kite Firetail, and if it's an arty tail an Atron could very well win as well. |

Cpt Smasher
Rafzakael Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:18:00 -
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Adiaforos Anousios wrote:Hi guys i d like to ask some things about Gallente frigates... i usually fly Fed navy comet , incursus ,tristan and sometimes atron
My main question is : How to counter A scramble range TD ship like slasher or Firetail.. For example when i use blasters and hes out of range (scramble range) switch to Null is not a option cause i am gonna lose eve more tracking (+the TD)....if i am Rail fitted also what ?
Secondly if someone could tell me what frigate fights and even Destros i should avoid .
And the last one When should i use orbit or keep at range ( i mean Vs what guns ) For example vs autocannos do blasters have better tracking so i could orbit them ?
Thank you in advance just trying to become better..An article could help too ;P
A TD slasher will most likely be using optimal range disruption against a fed navy comet, and orbiting wide. This is what i do personally when i fly my slasher. IMO - Overheating and/or slingshots are your best bet, and use null! Slingshot
As far as orbiting, and keep at range.
Personally, i almost always orbit at just under my weapons optimal range. Usually my speed and orbit will end up just farther than my optimal, and i hit pretty well. My keep at range is usually set to 100km and used for bugging out if i get into something i cant handle. Not the best use for the button, but i like it. We are recruiting! PvP in NPC 0.0, and Gallente low sec! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281323 |

Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:00:00 -
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I have increasingly moved away from small blasters, rails are where it is at.
Tristan is probably my go to frig, rails and drones mean a TD on the target ship is pretty much a wasted slot; Comets drone compliment is also rather useful.
Just remember the spare drones also, a couple spare ECM drones can get you away from a MWD TD or RSD kiter you cannot touch.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1434
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Posted - 2013.09.29 01:54:00 -
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Alticus C Bear wrote:I have increasingly moved away from small blasters, rails are where it is at.
Tristan is probably my go to frig, rails and drones mean a TD on the target ship is pretty much a wasted slot; Comets drone compliment is also rather useful.
Just remember the spare drones also, a couple spare ECM drones can get you away from a MWD TD or RSD kiter you cannot touch.
ECM drones? on a frigate?
Terrible, just terrible... BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
450
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:00:00 -
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Alticus C Bear wrote: ECM drones Maximum dishonour bro. Especially in frig fights. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |

Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2013.09.29 15:50:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Alticus C Bear wrote: ECM drones Maximum dishonour bro. Especially in frig fights. People have very fixed and specific view points on what is fair and what is not the little book of ship honour.
I am generally solo, not sporting off grid links and in a flexible brawler with DPS projection style fit.
Did the lightly tanked E-war based fit frigate really stand a chance as I overwhelm them with DPS on the warp in with my brawler? Same goes for the reverse with the Mwd kiting frigate already at range, with dual TD or RSD, they have a distinct advantage.
I always use combat drones but am in a habit of warping in on condors and hook bills. My comets and Tristan's generally carried spare warriors but even they are pretty useless against fast frigs, fit dependant but lately, yes ECM drones (yes it's a broken game mechanic) are useful to break e-war effects which are increasingly common and I find that with a limited counter I am even more likely to risk warping in on the condors already set up in a plex.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1434
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:46:00 -
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Alticus C Bear wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:Alticus C Bear wrote: ECM drones Maximum dishonour bro. Especially in frig fights. People have very fixed and specific view points on what is fair and what is not the little book of ship honour. I am generally solo, not sporting off grid links and in a flexible brawler with DPS projection style fit. Did the lightly tanked E-war based fit frigate really stand a chance as I overwhelm them with DPS on the warp in with my brawler? Same goes for the reverse with the Mwd kiting frigate already at range, with dual TD or RSD, they have a distinct advantage. I always use combat drones but am in a habit of warping in on condors and hook bills. My comets and Tristan's generally carried spare warriors but even they are pretty useless against fast frigs, fit dependant but lately, yes ECM drones (yes it's a broken game mechanic) are useful to break e-war effects which are increasingly common and I find that with a limited counter I am even more likely to risk warping in on the condors already set up in a plex.
I actually meant that its just plain bad..
I've beaten Comets before JUST because they were using ECM drones rather than proper drones. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
311
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Posted - 2013.09.29 20:08:00 -
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Sorry, was busy with 3 gorgeous ladies but my 'EC-300 on frigate' detector went off. I of course had to kick them out of my house just to say the following.
DO NOT DO THIS.
That is all. |

Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers
612
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Posted - 2013.09.30 01:35:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote:Eve is rock paper scissors. In this case, you have paper and they have scissors. Change your fit to become rock and they die pretty fast. Of course, if you look like a rock, scissors isn't going to want to fight you. Believe it or not, not all fights are won before they begin. Of the ships he listed, a Comet, Tristan and an Atron should absolutely destroy a kitey Slasher if piloted right, and an Incursus stands a decent chance. Firetail is a bit harder, but I'd still bet on a Comet over a scram-kite Firetail, and if it's an arty tail an Atron could very well win as well.
Funny someone from your corp saying not all fights are won before they begin when you guys only fly shinies with tons of expensive implants, drugs, and OGB.
The moar you cry the less you pee |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1435
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Posted - 2013.09.30 07:24:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote:Eve is rock paper scissors. In this case, you have paper and they have scissors. Change your fit to become rock and they die pretty fast. Of course, if you look like a rock, scissors isn't going to want to fight you. Believe it or not, not all fights are won before they begin. Of the ships he listed, a Comet, Tristan and an Atron should absolutely destroy a kitey Slasher if piloted right, and an Incursus stands a decent chance. Firetail is a bit harder, but I'd still bet on a Comet over a scram-kite Firetail, and if it's an arty tail an Atron could very well win as well. Funny someone from your corp saying not all fights are won before they begin when you guys only fly shinies with tons of expensive implants, drugs, and OGB.
Pretty sure his point still stands.
Even though i highly disapprove of the use of OGB's. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
957
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:44:00 -
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Quote:Pretty sure his point still stands.
Even though i highly disapprove of the use of OGB's.
Pretty sure he's trolling, given my many walls of text against OGB in the past. |

Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
457
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:49:00 -
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I sense some tension. Please have some Quafe 0 I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
564
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Posted - 2013.10.01 06:52:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Alticus C Bear wrote: ECM drones Maximum dishonour bro. Especially in frig fights.
He should get a griffin alt and avoid such dishonor. 
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |

Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:31:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:
Eve is rock paper scissors. In this case, you have paper and they have scissors. Change your fit to become rock and they die pretty fast. Of course, if you look like a rock, scissors isn't going to want to fight you.
So true. I've found in order to get anything close to a fair fight you've got to use some sleight of hand either by fitting your ship in a totally unexpected way or being somewhere unexpected. Destroyers seem a bit more balanced and maybe cruisers too, but frigates are definitely "rock, paper, scissors". |

Major Killz
La Fraternite
245
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:37:00 -
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Drones and Null helped in this engagement. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=18092570 So drones are helpful when countering ships using tracking disruptors. You could also just fly missile ships v0v or join the DARK SIDE... - Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos
- Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |

Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
315
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:06:00 -
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Koujjo Dian wrote:Andre Vauban wrote:
Eve is rock paper scissors. In this case, you have paper and they have scissors. Change your fit to become rock and they die pretty fast. Of course, if you look like a rock, scissors isn't going to want to fight you.
So true. I've found in order to get anything close to a fair fight you've got to use some sleight of hand either by fitting your ship in a totally unexpected way or being somewhere unexpected. Destroyers seem a bit more balanced and maybe cruisers too, but frigates are definitely "rock, paper, scissors".
I'd agree in the most part although my roaming t1 frig and t2 AF are both what I call 'catch all' fits. They can kite or brawl pretty well you just have to know how to pilot it in both situations. Only way you can do that though is dual prob + long point and web. Very few ships can do that AND have effective dps out to 20km. I use Hookbill and Hawk for it when I just don't know what ship to take for a roam. |

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
970
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:54:00 -
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I'm guessing most people who have issues with this fly a lot of blaster Merlin and blaster Incursus, and these are indeed very binary ships. They will straight up win against anything else at point blank (barring perhaps a TD slasher depending on piloting), but die if kited at all. They're also very popular ships because of how simple they are, so people will often fit their ships in terms of how they perform against a Merlin/Incursus. |

Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
82
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:18:00 -
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Honor? Dishonor?
This is eve.. there is no such thing as a fair fight. There is just a fight. ECM drones are a pain in the ass, but they arent any more unfair than DPS drones, or kiters are to brawlers, ect ect. |
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