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epicurus ataraxia
Black Ice Klan
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:27:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote: Yes! Thank you. Explorers love you!
Are you trying to speak for all of us again? Stop that. That said, the Stratios still looks like a good ship, even with one less heavy. Despite the outcry, it's sensible that the pinnacle of drone abilities should be left to the drone race. As an addendum i will point out i did not include the word all. Your decision not to be included in this note of thanks is noted. Better now? Asteros and Stratios are beautiful. CCP Please Make these ships Truly function as Exploration ships, +10 Virus strength possible with covert ops skill please. |
Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
51
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:27:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Harvey James wrote:both ships need to lose a mid slot to be balanced and to be fair too other drone boats .. the whole -1 slot for a drone boat Losing a mid slot would wreck them for exploration. hardly Losing a mid slot would further wreck the shield PVP fit i wanted to fly... QQ |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1672
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:32:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended.
Please let me know how it could possibly break Skomener Effotber's tank. Or even come close to the Serp 6. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:33:00 -
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Baronash wrote:Querns wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Tzar Sinak wrote: Um, actually, 6/10s as suggested in the OP.
The adjusted stratios has no issues running a 6/10. It won't be the fastest ship to run a 6/10, but it will run it just fine. Nor should a covops ship be better at blitzing 6/10's than dedicated non-cloaky combat ships. Omnathious Deninard wrote: until then I don't quite think this ship is Ishtar levels of performance.
Good, It should never have been close. In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended. What 6/10s are you even talking about here? Like, a Drake can run a Guristas 6/10 no problem. A battlecruiser can run a site as well as a covops cruiser? Well, color me surprised. I think we are talking about different things
when I see 6/10, I think Guristas Troop Reinvigoration Camp This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
51
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:39:00 -
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Black Canary Jnr wrote:Dear CCP,
I'm very upset that you nerfed a ship that isn't in the game yet, it is TOTALLY UNVIABLE now. I'm also very upset that i have to train lasers and there are no missile slots. Please make this ship OP again so it makes sense to use it, balance sucks.
Yours,
Cry baby McMoanerson.
I'll be flying one if i can get enough ISK. Good work CCP. Cloak, scanning bonus and enough tank to hold down a few ships will make it a very nice C-probing scout that is a cheaper alternative to a T3. They will still be popular for dropping too, i imagine. You'll end up with a pitiful fit if you try to put an expanded probe launcher on it. They take in the excess of 200 CPU you know. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
786
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:40:00 -
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What does it take DPS wise to run a 6/10? |
Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
51
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:41:00 -
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Saeka Tyr wrote:Well that's an absolute shame. Why don't we try it with 125m^3 bandwidth as designed for a bit before nerfing it hugely? It hasn't even been SEEDED onto the test server yet! So much this. |
Kellath Eladrel
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
12
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:42:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:What does it take DPS wise to run a 6/10?
I know from experience there are some overseers that can tank a full rack of Garde IIs hitting perfectly with max skills. Some of them may stop repping themselves after like an hour, otherwise you need extra dps from something. Five card stud, nothing wild, and the sky's the limit. |
Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
51
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:42:00 -
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Querns wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Tzar Sinak wrote: Um, actually, 6/10s as suggested in the OP.
The adjusted stratios has no issues running a 6/10. It won't be the fastest ship to run a 6/10, but it will run it just fine. Nor should a covops ship be better at blitzing 6/10's than dedicated non-cloaky combat ships. Omnathious Deninard wrote: until then I don't quite think this ship is Ishtar levels of performance.
Good, It should never have been close. In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended. What 6/10s are you even talking about here? Like, a Drake can run a Guristas 6/10 no problem.
Max skilled ishtar with 5 sentries and high DPS PVP shield fit can barely break the overseer tank in a Sansha 6/10. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1425
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:43:00 -
[2020] - Quote
would people be happy if they returend the 5th drone but reduced the drone bonus to 7.5% to hp/damage per level?
that way you are going from 6 effective drones to 6.875 drones. which is still less then the standard 7.5 effective drones.... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1425
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:45:00 -
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Witchking Angmar wrote:Querns wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Tzar Sinak wrote: Um, actually, 6/10s as suggested in the OP.
The adjusted stratios has no issues running a 6/10. It won't be the fastest ship to run a 6/10, but it will run it just fine. Nor should a covops ship be better at blitzing 6/10's than dedicated non-cloaky combat ships. Omnathious Deninard wrote: until then I don't quite think this ship is Ishtar levels of performance.
Good, It should never have been close. In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended. What 6/10s are you even talking about here? Like, a Drake can run a Guristas 6/10 no problem. Max skilled ishtar with 5 sentries and high DPS PVP shield fit can barely break the overseer tank in a Sansha 6/10.
what about 5 orge II as they do more damage then sentries?
that with short range pulse ammo and you should be able to break it... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Kellath Eladrel
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
12
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:48:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:what about 5 orge II as they do more damage then sentries?
that with short range pulse ammo and you should be able to break it...
The switch to Ogres requires a ton of drone bay space and they only add maybe 20 dps max. The short range turrets, overheated sometimes, are what can push you over. Five card stud, nothing wild, and the sky's the limit. |
Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
52
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:49:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:What does it take DPS wise to run a 6/10?
500 DPS pure EM perfectly applied.
Alternatively one of: - 1000 DPS pure thermal or kinetic perfectly applied. - 1500 DPS pure explosive perfectly applied. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1425
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:49:00 -
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Kellath Eladrel wrote:MeBiatch wrote:what about 5 orge II as they do more damage then sentries?
that with short range pulse ammo and you should be able to break it... The switch to Ogres requires a ton of drone bay space and they only add maybe 20 dps max. The short range turrets, overheated sometimes, are what can push you over.
too bad you cant overheat drones eh?
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
52
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:53:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Witchking Angmar wrote:Max skilled ishtar with 5 sentries and high DPS PVP shield fit can barely break the overseer tank in a Sansha 6/10. what about 5 orge II as they do more damage then sentries? that with short range pulse ammo and you should be able to break it...
I was talking about Curators as they deal pure EM. The overseer has half the resist hole in thermal, so Ogres will do even less damage. Also to use Ogres you have to go up close, meaning armor tank, meaning in turn less DPS. |
scimichar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:54:00 -
[2026] - Quote
These paper stats are all great, but when are we going to be able to test it in Sisi? |
marVLs
460
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Posted - 2013.10.24 19:58:00 -
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Well now im not interested, srly drone boat that cannot deploy full rack of them? lol Instead of changing something else like removing 2 turrets hardpoints You remove on drone boat a 5th drone...
Rubicon gets better and better... Im done, after marauders changes, those silly "transformations" and things like this im suspending my accounts, last few expansions gets worse and worse. |
luredivino
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:05:00 -
[2028] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:would people be happy if they returend the 5th drone but reduced the drone bonus to 7.5% to hp/damage per level?
that way you are going from 6 effective drones to 6.875 drones. which is still less then the standard 7.5 effective drones....
Yes. 5 Drones and a 7.5% damage bonus would be better. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
1738
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:17:00 -
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Witchking Angmar wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:What does it take DPS wise to run a 6/10? 500 DPS pure EM perfectly applied. Alternatively one of: - 1000 DPS thermal/kinetic perfectly applied. - 1500 DPS pure explosive perfectly applied. And it will take almost 4 minutes to kill Overseer Skomener. That is with 4 drones and 3 laser turrets. But then again I forgot to take into consideration that lasers do thermal also. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
Vrenth
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
82
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:21:00 -
[2030] - Quote
Wow, the bandwidth was lowered on the Stratios? Congrats, it went from a questionable exploration ship to a confused step child that won't excell at anything.
Oh yeah, and it's price is likely going to be way higher than a navy vexor (and possibly ishtar) that can fill most of it's pve/pvp roles fine. I say this, because a covops cloak isn't powerful enough to justify it being that much weaker in combat to it's price comparisons. Also, its scanning bonuses are equivelent to a t1 scanning ship. Just tossing tons of sub-par tech 1 bonuses onto a pirate ship without giving it the means to perform any of it's intended roles is kind of useless. |
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XvXTeacherVxV
Terra Incognita Insidious Empire
40
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:26:00 -
[2031] - Quote
CCP Rise wrote:Alright, after a lot of feedback and discussion I'm going to share what will likely be the last set of tweaks to the Stratios and Astero before launch.
We feel that while there are significant weaknesses in the cruiser that do balance it against major abuse, it's simply too strong in its current state. The combination of the covert cloak, black ops portal access and extremely high damage potential make for a ship that does a bit more than we are comfortable with. To tone it down slightly we are going to lower the drone bandwidth to 100mb/s and the drone bay to 400m3.
Thanks
I thought the dronebay was fine, but otherwise these changes are good. The 5 drone/7.5% bonus might be a good compromise for those OCD folks who can't launch drones without launching 5.
Do they get a drone mining yield bonus too?!!? Trololol... EVE Forums need a button right next to "like" that says "you need to calm your silly self down."Can you see the rapier??-áhttp://imgur.com/aFelCpv,GH6lqDE |
Vrenth
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
82
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:31:00 -
[2032] - Quote
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
786
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:36:00 -
[2033] - Quote
I wish I had EHQ here to make this easier.
So unless my math is off, which is likely considering it was all done by hand: 4x Grades w/ 2 DDA II's + 3x Heavy beams w/Gleam = 603 paper DPS Ogre II's with lvl V Galente drone spec can raise that to 650
284 DPS kin/therm tank with the following: Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
I tend to fly cheap fit BS's in highsec PvE, so I have no idea what to really expect as far as actual performance from a cruiser size hull, but that's what I came up with off the top of my head.
Note, this is before accounting for fitting and is low/null exploration targetted, thus cloak and probes are assumed. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
1738
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:41:00 -
[2034] - Quote
After looking at the DED 6/10 a bit closer, I am beginning to wonder if this ship was ever actually able to do a 6/10 without being deadspace fit to hell and back. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1427
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:48:00 -
[2035] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:After looking at the DED 6/10 a bit closer, I am beginning to wonder if this ship was ever actually able to do a 6/10 without being deadspace fit to hell and back.
mulitibox the 6/10 with two of them i guess?
drones assist for the win? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1427
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:51:00 -
[2036] - Quote
luredivino wrote:MeBiatch wrote:would people be happy if they returend the 5th drone but reduced the drone bonus to 7.5% to hp/damage per level?
that way you are going from 6 effective drones to 6.875 drones. which is still less then the standard 7.5 effective drones.... Yes. 5 Drones and a 7.5% damage bonus would be better.
glad to here people like the idea...
now everyone ping fozz and rise on twitter to impliment it. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Gummy Worm
Lollipop Hot Drop
2
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:59:00 -
[2037] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Kellath Eladrel wrote:MeBiatch wrote:what about 5 orge II as they do more damage then sentries?
that with short range pulse ammo and you should be able to break it... The switch to Ogres requires a ton of drone bay space and they only add maybe 20 dps max. The short range turrets, overheated sometimes, are what can push you over. too bad you cant overheat drones eh?
That was me last night as a Drone noob running some missions, lol. Can I overheat these sumsbitches?
Staying on topic, the 7.5 plus 5 drones makes more sense. I agree. I'd even take 1 less turret slot. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1039
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:01:00 -
[2038] - Quote
Good change CCP, not keep strong and ignore the themeparkers, they always want overpowered ships, they love powercreep. The Tears Must Flow |
Nar Tha
Neural-Boost.com
162
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:23:00 -
[2039] - Quote
CCP Rise wrote:I know there was some voices (yours especially Omnathious) who preferred the 5 virus strength version, but we talked about it quite a bit and the intended trade off with cov ops wasn't really needed because cov ops aren't built around a hacking role. They are meant more as probers and intel gatherers rather than hacking ships, so that means we can boost the SOE ships' roles as explorers without causing problems.
I should also add that the overwhelming majority of people really wanted to see it go to 10 strength. I think the concept is good. So T1 Scan Frigates will basically evolve into two different branches, one being Covert Ops Frigates which focus more on scanning itself, and the other one being SoE Faction Ships which focus more on exploration (as in the general PvE/Hacking content).
Maybe you should consider even removing the virus bonus from Covert Ops Frigates completely and replace it with something like Scan Deviation or Time or both - to make the difference between both roles even more distinct. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
1741
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:25:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Good change CCP, not keep strong and ignore the themeparkers, they always want overpowered ships, they love powercreep. It was stated the ships could do 6/10 complexes, now they barley break the tank of most of the overseers and will take in close to almost 4 minutes to chew through armor and then it still has structure to take out.
But using the ship how it was described only makes us themeparkers huh? Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
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