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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:00:00 -
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MSN Article
The man behind so many Espionage and military bestsellers died yesterday at a Baltimore hospital. However I don't see anything on how he died so /tinfoil hat.
Never been much of a reader but when I do it's usually either him or Stephen King. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |
Graygor
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:02:00 -
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A sad day for military fiction.
Im too to fully understand the cold war dynamics but my father loved and i guess still loves his books. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:40:00 -
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I've never read a word by him, but he sure had an appreciation for SF authors. He is in 'high praise blurbs' on a lot of really great ones that I like. ed: even more obscure ones like John Varley. People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:00:00 -
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He did pretty well, considering he started writing in middle age while working as an insurance agent. I believe his first book was The Hunt for Red October, and that one was directly based on the wargame Harpoon. He and his wargaming buddies simmed a Soviet sub defecting to the U.S. and being hunted by both sides. Tom wrote the action up as a novel, and the next thing you know he's a bestselling author.
Hmm, opinionated right wing guy, critic of the CIA, military tech expert, no cause of death listed.... Breaking out the tinfoil too. |
Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:15:00 -
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You can have mine, Khergit.
I'm producing them now until details are released. Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ UNBAN SAEDE!-á ALICE SAKI FOR OOPE MODERATOR! Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:16:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:
Hmm, opinionated right wing guy, critic of the CIA, military tech expert, no cause of death listed.... Breaking out the tinfoil too.
And it just so happened on the day the government shutdown. Make me one of those hats. |
Random McNally
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:18:00 -
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Baby ChuChu wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:
Hmm, opinionated right wing guy, critic of the CIA, military tech expert, no cause of death listed.... Breaking out the tinfoil too.
And it just so happened on the day the government shutdown. Make me one of those hats. With or without duct tape accessories? Red Fed Grunt.-á Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ UNBAN SAEDE!-á ALICE SAKI FOR OOPE MODERATOR! Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:21:00 -
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So it turns out he was actually a dummy front and pseudonym for Judy Blume, you betcha. People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:28:00 -
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Baby ChuChu wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:
Hmm, opinionated right wing guy, critic of the CIA, military tech expert, no cause of death listed.... Breaking out the tinfoil too.
And it just so happened on the day the government shutdown. Make me one of those hats.
I'll take 20. wumbo |
Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:39:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:He did pretty well, considering he started writing in middle age while working as an insurance agent. I believe his first book was The Hunt for Red October, and that one was directly based on the wargame Harpoon. He and his wargaming buddies simmed a Soviet sub defecting to the U.S. and being hunted by both sides. Tom wrote the action up as a novel, and the next thing you know he's a bestselling author.
Hmm, opinionated right wing guy, critic of the CIA, military tech expert, no cause of death listed.... Breaking out the tinfoil too.
Oh, cool. I did not know that about him.
I used to play Harpoon back in the day too. It was an amazing wargame. |
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:57:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:He did pretty well, considering he started writing in middle age while working as an insurance agent. I believe his first book was The Hunt for Red October, and that one was directly based on the wargame Harpoon. He and his wargaming buddies simmed a Soviet sub defecting to the U.S. and being hunted by both sides. Tom wrote the action up as a novel, and the next thing you know he's a bestselling author.
Hmm, opinionated right wing guy, critic of the CIA, military tech expert, no cause of death listed.... Breaking out the tinfoil too. He got some inside help on the Red October book. And a LOT of inside help on the movie. If you look at the right time, you can get ten seconds of the back of my head (two of my shipmates have speaking roles, even).
With a bit of training, he'd have made a pretty decent intelligence analyst. His ability to write people wasn't up to his affinity for technology, though - Indeed, Jack Ryan became quite the "Harvey Stu" character before I became disenchanted with Clancy's writing. In the end, he ended up alienating a lot of the insiders that used to willingly help him.
OTOH, he completely revitalized the military fiction market, and was a rather prolific writer. Dunno why he's passed at such a young age, but he absolutely left an indelible mark on the literarty world.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: ...even more obscure ones like John Varley. HERESY!
John Varley is NOT obscure!
CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:04:00 -
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""I'll never decide for commercial reasons to put something in that endangers our national security. You just can't do that," he said in a 2003 CNN interview. "There was one thing, I discussed with a friend of mine in the Royal Navy. I told him a story I knew, and he said, 'Well, Tom, you may never repeat that, as long as you live.' And I haven't.""
CNN story People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:16:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:""I'll never decide for commercial reasons to put something in that endangers our national security. You just can't do that," he said in a 2003 CNN interview. "There was one thing, I discussed with a friend of mine in the Royal Navy. I told him a story I knew, and he said, 'Well, Tom, you may never repeat that, as long as you live.' And I haven't."" CNN story
Gonna need a tinfoil chest piece to go with this hat. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:23:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:""I'll never decide for commercial reasons to put something in that endangers our national security. You just can't do that," he said in a 2003 CNN interview. "There was one thing, I discussed with a friend of mine in the Royal Navy. I told him a story I knew, and he said, 'Well, Tom, you may never repeat that, as long as you live.' And I haven't."" CNN story Yeah, he was a bit of a braggart - which is one of the ways he alienated folks. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:33:00 -
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im sad to hear that.
but im also glad because now my US naval institute first edition Hunt For Red October will be worth lots more.
Im very conflicted. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:51:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: ...even more obscure ones like John Varley. HERESY! John Varley is NOT obscure!
I know I know. But nobody outside of SF fandom knows who he is. He ain't exactly Ray Bradbury, or OS Card
I finally met him in 2008, 30 years after reading "Titan". That was a long wait. People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson |
Berendas
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:10:00 -
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HBO should make a series out of Red Storm Rising. I can't claim to have read even half of Clancy's work, but of what I have read, that one is my favorite by far.
But then again, I grew up playing Red Alert... |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:31:00 -
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Berendas wrote:HBO should make a series out of Red Storm Rising. I can't claim to have read even half of Clancy's work, but of what I have read, that one is my favorite by far.
That'd be a bloody expensive movie or mini-series. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:56:00 -
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OT, but here's another civilian outsider in the military complex story. Jeff "Skunk" Baxter, guitarist for Steely Dan and the Doobie Brothers, is now a defense and counterterrorism contractor. Initially he was interested in how early military IT systems could be adapted for music recording/production. He got really interested in military technology, and eventually wrote a paper proposing that the Aegis anti-aircraft system could be used for anti-missile defense on ships. The Navy ended up doing it. Now he's a full-time consultant to the Pentagon and private weapons contractors. They show him new military tech developments, and he thinks of ways they could be used for other applications. Or what a terrorist would do to counter them.
The guy has a lot of classified security clearances. Apparently the Pentagon is willing to overlook a few "doobies" in somebody's past. Sorry Rocker Jeff Baxter Moves and Shakes In National Security |
voetius
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:06:00 -
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Hunt for Red October was ok at the time but I much preferred Red Storm Rising, that was a classic Cold War / WW III novel and I think was based on Harpoon as well. |
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:15:00 -
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voetius wrote: Hunt for Red October was ok at the time but I much preferred Red Storm Rising, that was a classic Cold War / WW III novel and I think was based on Harpoon as well.
It cribbed very heavily from General Sir John Hackett's Third World War; A Future History.
Clancy did flip the conclusion over, in interests of storytelling. Sir Hackett and friends were more interested in probable outcomes, based on the situation as he understood it. I haven't read the updated version, though. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Kyseth
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:38:00 -
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Hmm, I just realized during all of this talk about Hunt for Red October that Mr. Clancy expired in October. Interesting line up of events.
o7 Mr. Clancy. |
Rain6638
Team Evil
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:01:00 -
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he was a great military fiction writer, prolific, even. he was very diligent about taking a conglomeration of leaked anecdotal military facts and binding them with an exciting and fantastic story. he was often officially debriefed following the release of his books.
my personal take centers around the book cover/sleeve images of Tom on the deck of a submarine or other military setting with a baseball cap embroidered with a submarine or aircraft carrier designation (etc)... even before joining the military myself, he struck me as the fanboy type. maybe it was his average middle age physique that was a detractor from his credibility ...in my mind.
He wrote great books, and I read quite a few of them myself. I enjoyed the video games that carried his name...
For the purpose of sharing my personal thoughts on an accomplished man, with a good amount of certainty his relatives will not read this post, I want to close by saying that I just wonder what the justification was, in his mind, for showing so much interest in the military without having served himself. Please, excuse me for being impolite, I just think his body of work begs the question.
sure, he had other careers, but that level of interest does not occur overnight. something like a physical limitation that precluded him from military service would make sense to me. or some other exceptional circumstance. but not much else. [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2013.10.03 02:52:00 -
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Well you could always take Dr Johnsons view that:
"Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier, or not having been at sea."
Perhaps he wrote so much and had so much interest as he had never served and thus felt guilty. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Rain6638
Team Evil
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Posted - 2013.10.03 03:09:00 -
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I almost want to delete my post, it does seem rather impolite to bring it up in a wake topic...
there's... a common thread between Clancy, Tolkien, Ludlum, and Chrichton, and King. their books were the basis of not just great movies, but successful movie franchises. I empathize with Clancy's fans who will now have to wonder what might have happened in the future for Jack Ryan and Domingo Chavez.
yeah, I apologize. for the sake of decency, I could post something superficial or fake, or nothing at all... instead I've come off as callous after speaking my mind, which is somewhat desensitized to the thought of death and dying. please keep that context in mind
he's left more of a legacy than I ever will. I'm pretty sure.
back to where we came from. His candle burned out long before his legend ever will
ok, that's callous. joking about death is a coping mechanism
damn, maybe I shouldn't have said anything. [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:44:00 -
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One article I saw said he was in ROTC* in high school, but eventually rejected by the Army because he was nearsighted. I didn't know the Army rejected people because of eyesight. Maybe he was really, really nearsighted.
*Reserve Officer Training Corp |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:56:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:One article I saw said he was in ROTC* in high school, but eventually rejected by the Army because he was nearsighted. I didn't know the Army rejected people because of eyesight. Maybe he was really, really nearsighted.
*Reserve Officer Training Corp
I've never ever heard of that. Maybe the real reason for the rejection is the following has been tin-foil hatted People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:00:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:One article I saw said he was in ROTC* in high school, but eventually rejected by the Army because he was nearsighted. I didn't know the Army rejected people because of eyesight. Maybe he was really, really nearsighted.
*Reserve Officer Training Corp
That's true. They had no issue with me being near sighted, colorblind to red and blues, or even that I have a weak knee that prone to dislocation. I got rejected every time for being crazy. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:13:00 -
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Being crazy isnt a solid reason. You must have just looked at them funny. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:26:00 -
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I rejected the Air Force because they rejected me for the job I wanted. I wanted to be a Navigator/Radar Intercept Officer, but my hearing was bad from too much rock and roll and/or firearms. The offered me Missile Launch Officer instead. That's where you sit in a missile silo out in the middle of nowhere and wait to push the button on doomsday. |
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