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mistery mango
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Posted - 2006.01.21 16:22:00 -
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they say taht in kali ther will be t3 batelships so they just goma skip the t2 batelships or am i missing somting :S ... eny pics or info on them?
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Deacan Wildfire
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Posted - 2006.01.21 16:25:00 -
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*tier* 3 battleships not tech 3 battleships. Big difference.
(ie. armageddon/dominix/phoon/scorp is tier1, apoc/mega/temp/raven tier 2) - DW plaguing MMORPGs since 1997 |
General Griefus
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Posted - 2006.01.21 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: General Griefus on 21/01/2006 16:26:39 they are talking about tier 3 battleships, not tech 3. like the armegeddon being tier 1 and the apoc tier 2, its just a bigger or different type of tech 1 battleship
EDIT: Deacan beat me to it
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Vlad Morrolan
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:27:00 -
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Tier 3, which is to say, they require racial battleship 3 for you to fly them.
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2006.01.21 18:03:00 -
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Then i really hope they will have more hp/capabilities as Tier 1 BS have lower hp then Tier 2. -=-
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Xio2
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Posted - 2006.01.21 20:19:00 -
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yeah..they will have more hp, and probably cost 20-40mil more than the tier 2's. which will make them about HAC prices now. they better be wtfomgbbqpwn mobiles. so far the only one ive heard anything about is the caldari one, and that it will be a rail platform. -------------- now this is the way a sig should be Xio2 |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.21 20:29:00 -
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There's some early draft stats for them in the game database, and they look wicked <3
(only hoping the ship models will be as yummy as their current attributes...)
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.21 20:35:00 -
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Maybe the Raven should get boosted to be the teir 3 Caldari BS, and the rail one made the T2?
It really wouldn't make *any* sense for the best BS for a missile race to be a rail platform.
Also, whatever happened to the teir2 BCs, or was that idea scrapped?
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine There's some early draft stats for them in the game database, and they look wicked <3
(only hoping the ship models will be as yummy as their current attributes...)
where is that database? -=-
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elFarto
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Hunter
Originally by: j0sephine There's some early draft stats for them in the game database, and they look wicked <3
(only hoping the ship models will be as yummy as their current attributes...)
where is that database?
It's in the client cache files. You require a special program to view it. No you can't have it.
Regards elFarto
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:29:00 -
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the problem with a tier 3 BS is that the tier 2 is already the peak of each empire's ship building ideology. When making a tier 3, you either make another ship the same (uber raven, uberpoc, uberthron, uberpest) - which would be boring - or betray each race's ideology by making their most powerful battleship a bastard ship idea (caldari's main BS as rails? WTF?)
i think they should be added as another tier 1 BS
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:32:00 -
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"It's in the client cache files. You require a special program to view it. No you can't have it."
Aye ;o
(though jide's Item Inventory seems to list them now, too... in the main battleships sub-folder)
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Tauruz
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:41:00 -
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Interesting to see the tier 3 Amarr ship has the Armageddon pic and not the Apoc. |
Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.01.21 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Maybe the Raven should get boosted to be the teir 3 Caldari BS, and the rail one made the T2?
It really wouldn't make *any* sense for the best BS for a missile race to be a rail platform.
Also, whatever happened to the teir2 BCs, or was that idea scrapped?
Tier 2 BCs are still coming out. All of them seem to have 8 high +10 low and mid. All of them have gotten hardpoints increased, except the Gallente one who's lost a turret and gained a launcher (yes, leaving one utility slot, where the others have more hardpoints that high slots).
Also, regarding the top-tier comment on Caldari, consider the Moa and Merlin.
Sadly it looks like the Gallente tier 3 BShip is just going to be a BIGGER and better Megathron (8 turrets). The Minmatar battleship seems to have 8 turrets as well as a single bonus of -10% per level. The Amarrian one seems to be the one getting the short end, although it is REALLY EARLY to tell as well as we can't see the boni. It has only 7 turrets and a launcher. Amarr tier 3 has two boni listed as -5% per level (both of them), so we can only speculate (e.g. "wtf? no cap use bonus!?")
All of them have one more slot total than the other battleships (i.e. two more than Domi and Scorp)
Not a one of them seems to be an electronic warfare ship, although the Caldari one comes close with 7 mid slots.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.21 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 21/01/2006 23:14:48 give me...
Hurricane: Minmatar Tier 3 BS
8/7/4 7 Turrets 3 Launchers loads of cpu crippled powergrid so it can't load 7 1400mm howies without a gazillion fitting mods damage & falloff bonus drone bay same as tempest base speed same as typhoon
... and I'll be happy
edit: omg just checked item db: 8 turrets, 6 mid and 6 low. come on ccp, make it 7 mid and 5 low - you know you want to :)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.21 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin Not a one of them seems to be an electronic warfare ship, although the Caldari one comes close with 7 mid slots.
the caldari one is going to be a rail bs, meaning it's gonna need to devote it's mid slots to both tank and tracking comps/sensor boosters to get the range.
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2006.01.22 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Chade Malloy on 22/01/2006 01:58:33 Imho a true Tier 3 BS should be special in some way, so that it can maybe fit one XL turret/ citadel launcher and still has enough powergrid for support weapons. This could have an impact on the design too, maybe a tier 3 BS could be just a big generator core + support systems.
Or maybe they add more slots? 10hi-slot bs 4tw :P
Tier 2 detroysers and battlecruisers would be nice too, make the tier 2 destroyer closer to cruiser class in durability, but a bit slower. Or he could be specialized in taking out even smaller targets than frigs by being able to fit some sort of anti-missile flak system. And a tier 2 Bcru could prolly fit 1 L turret / cruise or siege launcher.
Originally by: Oveur Jesus Christ. The Freighter ate the Stargate god and the Dreadnought didn't!
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Deacan Wildfire
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Posted - 2006.01.22 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Ithildin Not a one of them seems to be an electronic warfare ship, although the Caldari one comes close with 7 mid slots.
the caldari one is going to be a rail bs, meaning it's gonna need to devote it's mid slots to both tank and tracking comps/sensor boosters to get the range.
The only reason you'd devote your midslots to tracking cpus and SBs would be if you were going for a sniper setup. And turret-based sniper setups can't run heavy tanks at the same time, not even caldari ones - DW plaguing MMORPGs since 1997 |
Hitomi
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:17:00 -
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Why does everyone think that the Tier 3 battleships must outperform the Tier 2s in every respect?
Let's say that the rumours about the caldari Tier 3 is right, and it's going to be a rail ship. So what if it isn't missile or ew based? (Those are the main trends of the caldari, after all) The goal here is that it is *different*, not a retake of the other battleships available to the race involved.
And to the guy who asked for ravens to be bumped up to the tier 3 spot... no. Just no. Doing that would mean that the raven would get an upgrade (or the caldari would end up with an inferior battleship lineup compared to the other races if the new one is Tier 2 grade.) Upgrading the raven to Tier 3 is out, because it's already in game and widely used. And the devs try to avoid imbalances, so the other option wouldn't be put in either. Hence, the Raven will remain Tier 2.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Gierling on 22/01/2006 02:29:27 According to OVuer, the third battleships (they havent decide if they will be tier 3 or simply tier one or two) will NOT be able to TANK or deall damage significantly better hten the existing ships, they may however be eaasier to fit and they certainly will be a little different.
I actually hope that they end up as another tier 2 or tier one ship, as the game doesnt need any more redundant ships.
*snip* That's not very appropriate. - Teblin |
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:30:00 -
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"And to the guy who asked for ravens to be bumped up to the tier 3 spot... no. Just no."
I don't think there's any 'design problem' with the strongest Caldari battleship being rail-ship with missiles as backup weapon. The heaviest Caladari frigate is rail + missiles ship with bonus to rails, and the AFs are primarily rail ships. Both their heaviest cruiser and the heavy assault are rail boat with secondary missile bays. Their battlecruiser and the 'bigger' command ship both get hybrid turrets bonus as well. It's quite logical for the 'top tier' battleship to follow this suit.
In fact, getting for a change some actual ability to deliver high, instant damage over long distances (Caldari typically get the optimal bonus) ... it's quite... exciting :s
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol on 22/01/2006 02:32:59 nm --------------------------------------------- <Make ECM Burst useful> ECM Burst Idea! |
KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:07:00 -
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10isk gallente is 5% damage to Large hybrid Turret and +5% armor repair effectivness per level. \O i wish
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Kashre
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Posted - 2006.01.22 07:12:00 -
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They need to make the caldari tier 3 a rail ship
They need to make everyone elses tier 3 an EW ship.
And ffs I do not want the minmatar EW BS to have a target painter bonus. :( +++
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Fierce Deity
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Posted - 2006.01.22 08:29:00 -
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devoted blaster boat for gellente, because the mega is not (to slow not enough cap, need a covert ops to make a blastathron viable). thorax mwd bonus, some other stupid bonus to make it have an offhand (pick one out of a hat or somthing). ------FD------
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:13:00 -
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If Tier 3 Minmatar gets 8 turret slots...wow..8x 1400 IIs will insta-kill even BCs with Quake ammo. or 8x 800 IIs -=-
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:36:00 -
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In all honosty, it seems like the bonuses on these will be what makes them reasonable.
The caldari one likely will only get Optimal and shield resists, The Gallente one is going to be biased towards blasters probably with tracking and an MWD bonus, and the minmater will likely NOT get two damage bonuses.
Its interesting to think about becuase that immedietly makes it so that they don't intrude on the existing ships territory. A Minnie BS with only a ROF offensive bonus is useful, but doesnt make the Tempest obselete. While a Blaster oriented MWDing Gallente 8 turret ship doesnt make the Mega obselete becuase the Mega should still do more pure damage while not being as easy to use.
The Caldari one would trade off instant damage dealing for less damage as well.
The Amarr one follows that trend by being easily able to fit Tachyons, but only able to fit 7 turrets regardless.
It will be interesting... Of course I might be wrong. They mat get the same bonuses as the other ships while being able to easily fit 8 turrets. Which would just be totally ridiculous and would probably make me consider quitting EVE.
Power creep is bad in this game but its manageable so long as its restrained to the capital ships which have an expense that justifies things somewhat. But a Gallente Battleship with 8 turrets, A damage and Tracking bonus will just make it stupid to fly Megathrons which will **** me off becuase I LIKE the Megathron.
Same with the Tempest if the Minmater get a BS that can fit 8 1400 II's with a damage and ROF bonus. It'll become a must have ship and anyone flying a tempest will pretty much be a joke.
I sincerely hope that doesnt happen, and that IF the third BS can carry more turrets then the existing ships AND can fit them with little to no fitting compromise then they should NOT have the strong bonuses of the other ships. In particular the damage bonus. Giving the Gallente Tier 3 the damage bonus will just make the Mega obselete, as it has the same slot layout plus an extra midslot. Toss a tracking comp II in the midslot and you have the equivelent of BS5 in a thron, with the same exact amount of free mids and lows and an extra turret.
Frankly I kinda hope the Gallente one gets tracking (the weak but still usefull bonus) explicitly so I can still fly the Megathron without being turned out of gangs.
Same for the others.
Please CCP do NOT make more ships useless, do NOT embrace Power Creep. The whole point of new Battleships is so that we can see more kinds of ships in gangs and fleets, not less.
*snip* That's not very appropriate. - Teblin |
pr0nqueen
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "It's in the client cache files. You require a special program to view it. No you can't have it."
Aye ;o
(though jide's Item Inventory seems to list them now, too... in the main battleships sub-folder)
That site rocks, it's also kinda droolifying to look at "Elite Battleships" section :D
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:43:00 -
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A list of the ships boni, so you can speculate what they are... Amarr: -5% and -5% Caldari: +10% and +5% Gallente: +10% and nothing Minmatar: Nothing and -10% (listed by bonus id number, and with the assumption that they are, in fact, percentage per level)
Also, some significant other stats (ignore the pun): A: 75¦ drone, 120M kg, 110 m/s, 470m sig, 5600 shield, 6800 armour, 550 CPU, 21,250 PG C: 50¦ drone, 130M kg, 110 m/s, 500m sig, 6800 shield, 5600 armour, 750 CPU, 19,000 PG G: 200¦ drone, 102.25M kg, 120 m/s, 485m sig, 6000 shield, 6400 armour, 600 CPU, 20,750 PG M: 90¦ drone, 110M kg, 130 m/s, 460m sig, 6400 shield, 6000 armour, 650 CPU, 19,750 PG
Originally by: Sky Hunter If Tier 3 Minmatar gets 8 turret slots...wow..8x 1400 IIs will insta-kill even BCs with Quake ammo. or 8x 800 IIs
It's heavy weight and not very fast, so 8x800mm is not optimal for it. At the same time it will struggle fitting full rack of 1400mm considering that it's only got Apoc level grid. Struggle, but it's doable.
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:49:00 -
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Wont the tier3 BS receive new art ? Like all the tier3 frigs are diferent ,the Bs should be too rigth ?^^
And i would love the minie BS to have like 7.5% bonus to BS speed and a damage bonus or something like that would be perfect.
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