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Vyvica
Happy Hooligans
Burning Spear.
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:08:00 -
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Last time I asked some questions in the forums I kind of got ripped a new one. I know this question has probably been either asked a million times and you're probably sick of answering it or has very obvious answers. Just ignore this if you are going to be mean please. ^^
I understand mining isn't very lucrative. I've been doing missions. I think I found that I enjoy killing npcs the most. I'm not sure where I can always find them though.
I'm a caldari noob, What would you reccomend for a mining fit for me?
Thank you. please be nice! ^ ^ |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
150
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:16:00 -
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Vyvica wrote:Thank you. please be nice! ^ ^
No promises. 
Vyvica wrote:I understand mining isn't very lucrative. I've been doing missions. I think I found that I enjoy killing npcs the most. I'm not sure where I can always find them though.
I'm a caldari noob, What would you reccomend for a mining fit for me?
With the T1 mining barges it's a bit hard to "tank" them in any reasonable way. Your best defense will be to maintain vigilance (i.e. if something doesn't seem right, GTFO).
Best way to do this is to watch your directional scanner (found on the HUD), "scanning" often, and knowing what the common ganker setups/tactics are (pro-tip; multiple destroyer gangs (Thrashers and Catalysts, in particular) are a favorite among gankers).
Once you get into T2 mining barges you will find more options available to you. Bear in mind though that mining barges in general are not designed for combat and will not be able to set up a "combat ship-like" tank. That said... look into fitting as much BUFFER (i.e. high resistances and "raw" HP) as possible.
The amount you mine WILL suffer with such a fit, but you make yourself a somewhat unappealing target compared to others and can thus mine longer unmolested.
"Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one."
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J'Poll
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:23:00 -
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As a starting pilot who wants mining here are some suggestions:
Mining frigate = Bantam
Fit it with Miner I's (or Miner II's if you have the skills) in the high slots and cargo expanders in the lows. You can use the mid slots to fit some sort of shield tank for high sec rats. If you have the ISK you can also use cargo rigs to expand your cargohold even more.
When you have the ability of a hauler (friend or 2nd account) you can also swap the low-slot cargo for Mining Laser Upgrades for better mining yield as you don't need large cargo (the hauler will be your cargohold).
Mining cruiser = osprey
Same type of fit for the Osprey. Miner I's (or Miner II's) in high, mids for shield tank. Low for eighter cargo (solo mining) or MLU (team mining). Rigs can be used for further cargo expansion.
If you still like mining after a while I would suggest to get into a Retriever as soon as possible.
For high sec a Retriever with 2 x T1 Strip Miners is a nice start to get into the more intensive mining, but with a Retriever I suggest you find a hauler as hold of retriever can fill quite fast.
*Keep in mind that ISK income in eighter a Bantam or Osprey isn't that great if you compare it to running missions.
J'Poll
Director / Recruiter - Borealis Mining Concern
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
J'Poll
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:27:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Vyvica wrote:Thank you. please be nice! ^ ^ No promises. Vyvica wrote:I understand mining isn't very lucrative. I've been doing missions. I think I found that I enjoy killing npcs the most. I'm not sure where I can always find them though.
I'm a caldari noob, What would you reccomend for a mining fit for me? With the T1 mining barges it's a bit hard to "tank" them in any reasonable way. Your best defense will be to maintain vigilance (i.e. if something doesn't seem right, GTFO). Best way to do this is to watch your directional scanner (found on the HUD), "scanning" often, and knowing what the common ganker setups/tactics are (pro-tip; multiple destroyer gangs (Thrashers and Catalysts, in particular) are a favorite among gankers). Once you get into T2 mining barges you will find more options available to you. Bear in mind though that mining barges in general are not designed for combat and will not be able to set up a "combat ship-like" tank. That said... look into fitting as much BUFFER (i.e. high resistances and "raw" HP) as possible. The amount you mine WILL suffer with such a fit, but you make yourself a somewhat unappealing target compared to others and can thus mine longer unmolested.
Agreed. All good and true advice, though not very noob friendly to think of Exhumers (T2 Mining barges).
Only pro-tip from another miner. GTFO when ever you don't trust stuff. In high-sec mining in something small usually doesn't get you suicide ganked as it is not worth it. But be aware when jetcan mining, under no circumstances shoot the thief or steal your ores back, this is what he is after. If you shoot him he can legally shoot back. So best is to take your loss of ores and warp away and mine in some other place
J'Poll
Director / Recruiter - Borealis Mining Concern
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
Vyvica
Happy Hooligans
Burning Spear.
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:32:00 -
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I'm having a hard time fitting any type of mining ship. I can't use an osprey yet. It seems like I'm stuck with a Bantam for now.
Where in the Amaar regiion can I almost always find npcs I can kill? |
J'Poll
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:47:00 -
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Vyvica wrote:I'm having a hard time fitting any type of mining ship. I can't use an osprey yet. It seems like I'm stuck with a Bantam for now.
Where in the Amaar regiion can I almost always find npcs I can kill?
NPC rats spawn in asteriod belts randomly, best to get NPC rats to kill is to take security missions from any agent you can acces.
As you are in a player corp, ask them where they live and move closer to them. You can run missions together and if needed they can assist you more easily.
Also they likely have higher level agents and might take you with you on their missions, this will get you standing (and thus better agents) quickly
J'Poll
Director / Recruiter - Borealis Mining Concern
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
Not Usually Killing Everyone.
130
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:50:00 -
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Poke me about the subject next time your on and I'll push ya in the right direction ^^
The Drake is a Lie |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:51:00 -
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If you're wanting a steady stream of NPCs to kill, you might want to look into missions. If you just want to blow some stuff up without having to do missions, then you're looking for Anoms. Fly out into space with your combat ship, open the Scanner (it's one of the buttons to the left of your health bars), and scan. Most systems will have a couple Anoms at any given time that you can go to and just kill a few waves of rats.
See this page for some more info on them: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cosmic_anomaly
Also, if you're looking for info on mining, Halada's Mining Guide is the Bible of mining. |
J'Poll
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
18
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:56:00 -
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Same as Xercodo, if we are on at the same time (and I'm not really busy) you can convo me at any time, I'm glad to help you out with any questions
J'Poll
Director / Recruiter - Borealis Mining Concern
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
61
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Posted - 2011.10.31 23:50:00 -
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Get a Retriever as fast as you possibly can, and from there get a Hulk (Or Covetor if you blew all your cash).
Tanking in a barge/exhumer is relatively useless compared to moar cargo room, AS LONG AS YOU ARE ALIGNED TO A STATION AT 75% IMPULSE (:3)
I've used a Retriever with;
High
2x T1 Strip miner
Med
Active Shield re-generator; I suggest a Meta-level 3 one
Low
3x Cargo Expander II
Rigs
3x Cargo Optimization
All of the above leads to almost 5000 Cargo (49-something); it should take 2 1/2 cycles to fill (Warp to station)
For Mah Hulk;
High
3x Modulated Strip Miner II with Veldspar Crystals (Substitute for ore of choice)
Med
3x Passive shield buffers
1x Active tank module
Low
3x Cargo Expander II
Rigs
2x Cargo Optimization I (I put level 2, but for most people, the T1 is much better)
More than 16,000 M^3
(Both of these assume good electronics & CPU skills)
I hope this helps! And always remember to stay aligned to a station, and keep up at least half your impulse (You should be full before you leave the range).
:3
"Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
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Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
Not Usually Killing Everyone.
130
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Posted - 2011.10.31 23:54:00 -
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She's still in a bantam let a lone an osprey let alone a retriever.
But on the other hand she can still save the retriever fit if she gets into one in the next few weeks.
The Drake is a Lie |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
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Posted - 2011.10.31 23:57:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:She's still in a bantam let a lone an osprey let alone a retriever.
But on the other hand she can still save the retriever fit if she gets into one in the next few weeks.
Oh, getting a Retriever takes no time at all.
It's the arduous journey to Hulk :/
"Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.11.01 00:00:00 -
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To find more NPCs to kill while mining, you need to find lower-sec systems with lots of belts. One way of doing this would be to head over to Wollari's EVE Maps. Select the system list (on that map, it's the white-and-blue spreadsheet icon next to the planet/moon icons), then sort by number of belts. Work down that list until you find a system with security 0.5 or higher.
You can even set the graphical map to colour systems by number of belts. Now you can search for a bunch of systems near each other with lots of belts.
Hope this helps! |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence.
Void Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.01 08:47:00 -
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Everything there is to know about mining can be found in Halada's Complete Miner's Guide Version 3.0.
The usual mining ship progression route is mining frigate -> mining cruiser -> retriever -> hulk, altough it IS feasible to mine in battleships.
You can get into a Retriever very fast and they are cheap (ca. 5 M isk). A Hulk will take a long time but for serious miner it is the best ship.
As a Hulk is very expensive I recommend permatanking it so you can go get a sandwich and come back to find several noob ganker wrecks floating next to your Hulk  It will eat into your mining efficiency but they are so expensive to lose it is worth it.
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:41:00 -
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Vyvica wrote:Last time I asked some questions in the forums I kind of got ripped a new one. I know this question has probably been either asked a million times and you're probably sick of answering it or has very obvious answers. Just ignore this if you are going to be mean please. ^^
I understand mining isn't very lucrative. I've been doing missions. I think I found that I enjoy killing npcs the most. I'm not sure where I can always find them though.
I'm a caldari noob, What would you reccomend for a mining fit for me?
Thank you. please be nice! ^ ^
TBH if you post your questions in this forum I doubt you will take too much grief from folks. Posting in the general forums, however, is much more likely to get you trolled or griefed. Everyone pretty much expects noobie questions in the new player forum and I think the moderators would probably slap down anyone ragging you too hard in here.
As for mining vs mission running I would stick to mission running. Its far more interesting and far more lucrative in the long run for most players. As mentioned previously in this thread... look for a single line of security missions to run and keep running that same line until you are allowed to run level 4 missions from that line. When your standings with that line of agents is high enough (level 5 i think) you can begin doing level 4s and make reasonably good money. Looting and salvaging the wrecks at the end will allow you to make even more.
I used to run caldari navy missions when i lived in high sec. With the new agent finder tool (maybe not so new now) you can find agents for any line and can sort by security and mission level which makes finding agents very easy. Miners do make some money in this game. Generally those miners live in null sec and are mining the best ores. But its very boring. And you would need to be part of a null sec alliance that controls such space.
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Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:26:00 -
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I think it has been said already but the Mining Bantam is a good start, and cheap, followed up with an Osprey, or Retriever. Personally I recommend the Retriever but find a quiet spot in space to mine, with only a couple of people in local.
Training for the retriever also has the benefit of improving your mining skills along the way.
Anyway onto the useful bits.
Quote:[Bantam, Mining Fit]
2x Miner II
2x Expanded Cargohold II
If you can fit Tech 2 modules yet use the regular ones.
As for training towards a Retriever you will need:
Quote:Mining lv4 (5% mining yield per level)
Astrogeology lv4 (5% mining yield per level)
Industry lv5 (This is more for producing items later down the line and doesn't affect your mining)
Mining Barge lv3 (This is so you can fly the Retriever each level gives you the ship bonus of 3% extra yield for Strip mining turrets, these are beasts compared to the lasers your currently using)
As for hunting down NPC's I'd recommend looking in Asteroid belts in system between 0.5 and 0.8 security space, but if you want a lot more to kill look for a level one security division agent and do the missions they give you. There are a lot more NPC's to kill on demand rather than the few you find roaming.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
95
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Posted - 2011.11.01 22:23:00 -
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You are behind a version.
Here's a copy I've uploaded to EVE-FIles: Halada's The Complete Miner's Guide 3.1 (Extended Edition)
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/TauCabalander/completeminersguidev31.pdf
Industrial Sized Knowledgebase is also useful for new players, and old:
http://www.isktheguide.com/ |
Atlas Oracle
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:43:00 -
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Tau's guide is awesome, as always. |
Iosue
UV Heavy Industries
STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2011.11.02 16:05:00 -
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correct me if i'm wrong, but if you enjoy killing npc's the most, shouldn't you stick to missions? you'll find a lot more npc's in missions than in belts. of course there's always anoms, but that might be jumping the gun a little. you can also find npc's in exploration sites; should be plenty of those in hi-sec. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
259
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Posted - 2011.11.02 16:31:00 -
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If you idiots haven't worked out OP is a troll, let me help : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=256187#post256187
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:32:00 -
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To me that post looks legit, as turrets don't seem to render in station but they do in space. Likely a graphical oversight on CCP's part in the rush to get spinning back.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:45:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:To me that post looks legit, as turrets don't seem to render in station but they do in space. Likely a graphical oversight on CCP's part in the rush to get spinning back.
I don't even bother paying attention in ship-spin mode...
anyway, the OP of that thread is a different OP than this one... |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:40:00 -
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Use the Agent Finder in station to find level 1 security agents you can access, to give you missions to kill NPC's. Mining.. well, I haven't mined in.... 4+ years at least so I can't advise with that :)
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
259
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Posted - 2011.11.03 09:46:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:To me that post looks legit, as turrets don't seem to render in station but they do in space. Likely a graphical oversight on CCP's part in the rush to get spinning back. I don't even bother paying attention in ship-spin mode... anyway, the OP of that thread is a different OP than this one...
Yes. Two blithering idiots. One can't work out if he needs to buy new guns because they "fell off" and the other doesn't know what an escape capsule is.
Both in the same corp.
But anyway. Did you hear they took gullible out of the dictionary?
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.11.03 10:42:00 -
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tbh, i figured they were just blithering idiots ...
goes to show you what happens when your shiptoasting and haven't had time to wake up |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence.
Void Alliance
60
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Posted - 2011.11.03 11:50:00 -
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SWEET THANKS ! 
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 14:07:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Get a Retriever as fast as you possibly can, and from there get a Hulk (Or Covetor if you blew all your cash).
Tanking in a barge/exhumer is relatively useless compared to moar cargo room, AS LONG AS YOU ARE ALIGNED TO A STATION AT 75% IMPULSE (:3)
:3
I disagree -- most suicide runs are done in heavily populated areas. If you avoid those areas -- you can more or less safely jet can mine. In fact, I have rarely been actually flipped -- unless of course, I'm actually looking to be flipped. Thus you can have your cake and eat it too, i.e. tank your ship and have efficiency in mining, by the simple expedient of going to an out of the way system.
As to what can be done by a tanking barge/hulk I give you these:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13310482
http://point.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10704722
Neither of these were actually done by me -- but they prove the point that you can avoid the expensive suicide hit and still successfully mine.
Now of course if someone really wants to gank you, they will simply by bringing more ships then your tank can handle. But if you go to an out of the way system, the odds are that you will only come across the occasional causal suicider, which with planing you can easily handle.
Besides, nothing is funnier then a failed suicider's tears. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.11.03 16:03:00 -
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if u really want to mine in slightly safer circumstances do this
train for a mining barge - retreiver or better
find a l1 agent.... get in a frig or destroyer and start a mission.
Clear out all the rats in the mission.... loot and salvage............if there is mineable asteroids present dock up and DO NOT turn in the mission.... jump in your retreiver and (equip combat drones cos new npc rats will spawn but usually only 2 or 3 frigs at a time) warp back to your mission and bookmark something in the mission area immediately.... then open your people and places and drag that new bookmark into your cargo bay..... jettison the bm right on the warp in point (there is a beacon there) this can helps to decloak probers.
once can is dropped move further into the mission area closer to the roids..... mine away in relative safety..........
as its a mission area its not possible for a ganker to warp directly on top of u if you get at least 30km away from the warp in beacon. this gives u ample time to see them land in your mission area and for you to warp out
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.11.06 08:32:00 -
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Vyvica wrote:Where in the Amaar regiion can I almost always find npcs I can kill?
Asteroid belts might have some, but in high-sec, by far your best bet is missions. They're full of red and explodable crosses. Go for Security division agents, since these always provide combat missions.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
104
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:49:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Vyvica wrote:Where in the Amaar regiion can I almost always find npcs I can kill? Asteroid belts might have some, but in high-sec, by far your best bet is missions. They're full of red and explodable crosses. Go for Security division agents, since these always provide combat missions.
I can recommend Ministry of Internal Order and Carthum Conglomerate.
Ministry of Internal Order standing gets you into the Amarr epic arc.
Carthum Conglomerate has a good number of 50% facilities stations to refine / reprocess at. |
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