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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2006.01.22 01:20:00 -
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Hello CCP and RAT.
Now the 3rd DN goes down cause loggin trap from RAT fear step dear RAT.
And also i will make a Peti cause after loggin/jumpin from RAT i got frozen screen.....
Regards /LD
*-V-President* *-V-Fleet Command*
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Erotic Irony
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Posted - 2006.01.22 01:40:00 -
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Quote:
Now the 3rd DN goes down cause loggin trap from RAT fear step dear RAT
You're quite the poet.
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Chronus26
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:05:00 -
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I think we need an interpreter. -----
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Abraxus
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:07:00 -
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is it because its 2am or something? I didn't get any of that
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nebuli on 22/01/2006 02:23:09 Basicaly what he said was,
I've lost my 3rd Dread now, due to the log in tactics RAT use alot, this tactic is brought by fear.
I will send a petition of this because after RAT logged in and warped to my position my screen froze and I was unable to do anything.
Just a personal note, before anyone starts the "I bet they jumped in from another system blah, blah" which is what the last post got about this, we have many, MANY screens of a screen full of red faces logging off, and then logging back in at the exact same time, it happens everyday, RAT turn up with blob, we get counter blob, RAT log off, if their scout sees an oppertunity for an easy kill RAT log on.
Simple as that realy :)
Just a little edit, it is late but LD is German, his English is fine once you get used to it :)
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Failin Zhar on 22/01/2006 02:36:12 Edited by: Failin Zhar on 22/01/2006 02:35:07
Originally by: Nebuli Just a little edit, it is late but LD is German, his English is fine once you get used to it :)
He lost his third dread? Some people have too much isk for their own good ;) But then again it's good we have wealthy people in -V-! His english...no, it's not fine at all. I'm not talking about his spelling, spelling is just fine. He just makes no sense at all. It's almost as if his words got scrambled by a star destroyer in low orbit around earth before getting posted here. I wish I could be an imperial officer wearing a tight uniform and silly hat :(
*edit* At first I didn't make any sense either =) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Trepkos
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:35:00 -
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Seeing that one person has lost three dreads, I fear the dreadnaughts' novelty is starting to wear off.
Give or take a few monthes and everyone in EVE will be flying one, and losing them for being noobish. --------
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Trepkos Seeing that one person has lost three dreads, I fear the dreadnaughts' novelty is starting to wear off.
Give or take a few monthes and everyone in EVE will be flying one, and losing them for being noobish.
Hope you werent implying losing a Dread to a log in trap is n00bish?
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Trepkos Seeing that one person has lost three dreads, I fear the dreadnaughts' novelty is starting to wear off.
Give or take a few monthes and everyone in EVE will be flying one, and losing them for being noobish.
Yes...EVE has too many extremely rich people. That's unfortunatly how it goes in games like this. I'd very much like to see the big ships a tad less but then I highly doubt a substantial number or players will ever own a dread. I've been here for 6 months and have never piloted a battleship. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:43:00 -
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Tbh m8, if your corp nuckles down for only 2 weeks you would have the isk for a dread, maybe even a week, you can make 100mil a day ratting solo if you work at it, so thats what 20 days of hard ratting solo to afford one, 2bil isnt THAT much isk if you work hard :)
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Oventoasted
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli Tbh m8, if your corp nuckles down for only 2 weeks you would have the isk for a dread, maybe even a week, you can make 100mil a day ratting solo if you work at it, so thats what 20 days of hard ratting solo to afford one, 2bil isnt THAT much isk if you work hard :)
exactly! i bust my ass making BS's by spending a lot of time mining roids.
i cant make as much as Nebuli. but i can make 100mill every 5 days or so. - - -
MMM MMM toasted
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:52:00 -
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To be honest, I don't think it's even worth considering a capital ship until the servers are sorted out. It's always a bit disappointing to lose a ship, but the compensation is that you get to have a good fight in the process. Losing a ship in horrible laggy conditions where you don't even get to participate in the fighting is just about the worst thing that can happen in Eve.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Wanoah To be honest, I don't think it's even worth considering a capital ship until the servers are sorted out. It's always a bit disappointing to lose a ship, but the compensation is that you get to have a good fight in the process. Losing a ship in horrible laggy conditions where you don't even get to participate in the fighting is just about the worst thing that can happen in Eve.
We had a 50 man fleet and a 100 man fleet engaged us only last week, the lag was pretty bad at the start, but playable after 5-10mins, we had 4 dreads in that fight and not one was lost (we won the fight btw) ,what made this time different was an entire fleet logged in and warped to our fleets position, this is what caused all the lag.
About 1-1 1/2 years ago log in trap was considered an exploit, but because it was so hard to prove for the GMs they suddenly decided that it wasnt considered one anymore, personaly I think this is nonesense, imo you could argue using TS in such a way is against EULA with the using 3rd party software thing, but as it stands it isnt an exploit and unfortunately thats the way it is.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:05:00 -
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GL with the petition. I know LD is an honourable player and would not complain unless he felt it was justified.
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli Tbh m8, if your corp nuckles down for only 2 weeks you would have the isk for a dread, maybe even a week, you can make 100mil a day ratting solo if you work at it, so thats what 20 days of hard ratting solo to afford one, 2bil isnt THAT much isk if you work hard :)
I wasn't talking for my corp. I've no doubt they know the game very well. I was talking only on for myself here. My point was that not everyone gets a boner from looking at a dread and not everyone have undeniable urges to get one just because it's expensive. I personally don't feel like making EVE my second full time job so I fly cheaper ships, like frigs and cruisers. They're fun, have their uses, and if I lose them it's no biggie. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Hassiana
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:13:00 -
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it all boils down to if you have the proof then why shouldnt ccp act? imo mass login/off tactics should be a reason for a ban, and until they are why wont ppl complain?
same goes for all walks of eve life, miner, npc'ers etc who log on first sign of trouble.
yes its very hard to prove but a screen full of red faces kinda gives a unsubtle hint.
if its true then have em, if not then fair enough.
ccp should comment on this
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Mungis
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:23:00 -
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Honestly, how is this any different than V using can's full of bookmarks to lag out a fleet that's warping in? You got what you deserved, cyal8rbye. |
Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mungis
Honestly, how is this any different than V using can's full of bookmarks to lag out a fleet that's warping in? You got what you deserved, cyal8rbye.
Well...if that is true then the ones who did it are lame ****ers to. However, that still doesn't change the fact that log off/on:ers are a sad bunch of loosers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:31:00 -
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No need for this topic, tbh.
As for RAT. coming to scalding pass. Your guys asked us to do that. Asked, by smacking our friends on this forum. We don`t care about RED, but we care about friends. Enjoy.
As for login trap. You can complain as much, as you want. We got pummeled with login trap, during summer 2004 by Xanadu. Since then - CCP allowed players to do that.
As for lag. I feel sorry for you. But you were doomed, anyways. With 1 capital rep, you were unable to tank 2 dreds, and 15 battleships.
As for "omg, RAT n00bs, and unable to fight" - please, check Veritas Immortalis killboard, and you`ll see, that after killing dred, we had few engagements, with VI forces. Result - quite predictable. 5 battleship and 1 HAC kills, with 1 rifter loss.
Originally by: BLACKSTRIKER sorry, but where is the UBER Evil Thug ?
Just call my name, and i`ll be there ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust |
Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: BLACKSTRIKER sorry, but where is the UBER Evil Thug ?
Just call my name, and i`ll be there
I gained respect for you when you said "LD is an honourable man, don't smack" in local
Well done, you did win that battle resoundly, tho log on trap is lame and we had a very disorganised and smaller fleet.. Maybe next time we can do the jumping on, eh?
I look forward to our next battles ___________________________
Originally by: TheKiller8 anyone who disagrees with my opinion is a racist.
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:00:00 -
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I dont have fear to fight a battle....most know that. Also i dont have probs to lost a ship if the enemys fight/lead better.
I have probs if we engage a dread+ small support that in 30sec 1 dread and around 12 BS + support loggin in to the same time...
I have probs if i got a frozen screen 4 mins long and cant do anythink. Also after relogg not the "entering space" button see. I saw a "entering failed" button.
The first 2 dreads i lost after a good fight the other fought. But this one wasnt right....tbh...
/LD
*-V-President* *-V-Fleet Command*
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 22/01/2006 04:33:35 Interesting, I thought that these tactics are forbidden, I even told others not to do it, when they suggested something like that. So I was wrong and it is indeed allowed at the moment. Well, can't say that I like it. I was in empire and I saw 5 logins from my addressbook and I told my mates in corp chat that RAT are using a login tactics somewhere. Was obvious. And a few seconds later the next 4-5 people logging in popped up on my screen. Then I got the confirmation from a mate that it's happening in 1-v. In the end, killing this dread was probably fun for them, but it doesn't mean a lot. Guess LD has the isk to get a new one. What stays is that more people reckon with dirty tricks and not with a nice fight. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.' |
Tarkis
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tarkis on 22/01/2006 04:38:33 Heh, I lost a ship as well due to the lag. Was tring to target the primary target, and then got a frozen screen. Relogged only to find out that I had been podkilled :(. Only lost a Vengence though, not to bad. But the new server hardware can't come fast enough.
As for the remark about -V- causeing lag by leaving can full of bookmarks. I'd like to see some proof of this please.
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Tasty McNuggetts
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:45:00 -
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Your place in EVE history is secure, LD.
How many more you got, btw? We'll kill those too if you want.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mungis
Honestly, how is this any different than V using can's full of bookmarks to lag out a fleet that's warping in? You got what you deserved, cyal8rbye.
This is getting VERY old, we have never, ever done this, it is pure RED propaganda, nothing more, we wont, have not, and never will use any form of lame tactic like this, ever, period, if you have proof of a pilot doing this I would love to see it, and if the proof is forthcoming I know for sure said person WOULD be removed from the alliance.
Lets say for arguments sake you are correct and ONE lamer did do this, its hardly the same as an entire fleet using a lame tactic is it?
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Chinsor
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Posted - 2006.01.22 05:31:00 -
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log out log in tactics shows a lack of balls tbh
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.22 05:45:00 -
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"As for login trap. You can complain as much, as you want. We got pummeled with login trap, during summer 2004 by Xanadu. Since then - CCP allowed players to do that."
No, since then CCP introduced the whole "on login you will warp 1 mil km back to the spot you left when you last logged out" thing, which is supposed to give people enough time to get the hell out if they feel like it, after spotting local jump by large number.
What they did not account for, is the capital ships warping at snail peace... which allows people in large solar systems to log in after target capital ship entered the warp, and actually be on it's destination point before it. Even with the whole warp 1 mil km" thing.
But then it's not like you don't know it. Was already a dread killed earlier in that way.
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PoMaP
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Posted - 2006.01.22 06:24:00 -
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2006.01.22 01:17 Victim: Light Darkness - Moros 2006.01.22 02:16 Victim: Light Darkness - Megathron 2006.01.22 02:33 Victim: Light Darkness - Megathron
Berserker mode not for Veritas
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ThaMa Gebir
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Posted - 2006.01.22 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 22/01/2006 06:41:39
Originally by: Failin Zhar Edited by: Failin Zhar on 22/01/2006 02:36:12 Edited by: Failin Zhar on 22/01/2006 02:35:07
Originally by: Nebuli Just a little edit, it is late but LD is German, his English is fine once you get used to it :)
I'm not talking about his spelling, spelling is just fine. He just makes no sense at all. It's almost as if his words got scrambled by a star destroyer in low orbit around earth before getting posted here. I wish I could be an imperial officer wearing a tight uniform and silly hat :(
*edit* At first I didn't make any sense either =)
Good analogy but then again what do you expect!!
Perfect english from a non- english person?? Leave it.
To the op; Wie lang spielst' schon Freund? Klingts ganz bl÷d was die dir angetan hab'n.
Am besten Ist solche leute einfach zu ignorieren. Weiter fliegen, nichts mehr hier zu sehen.
To the mods; Sorry for the german but I am used to speaking it, and will happily provide a translation should you want one. Main reason I used it is because I like it and bfind it a relief when ppl speak a language I understand and therefore communicate well with said person.
Thank you all. ThaMa.
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"Hammerhead: Boobies."
LOL
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Dark Revenant
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Posted - 2006.01.22 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26 I think we need an interpreter.
*agreed
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:18:00 -
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its now up to CCP to provide a workable solution hardware upgrades should help a great deal with fleet battle lag - though i guess alliances will now push for 1000 ppl fleet engagnements at some point if this growth continues = time to bring forward the jove expansion
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GigaIndy
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:36:00 -
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Log traps used to be exploit, it is confirmed NOT exploit now.
Is that simply because GMs are lazy? I do indeed believe so.
But rest easy V, We killed a RAT Hac today, and he whined about us "ganking" him.
Rat will get whats coming to them, one day.
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:39:00 -
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hmmm well considering their ignorance of certain M things in empire this is totally expected
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli Edited by: Nebuli on 22/01/2006 02:23:09 Basicaly what he said was,
I've lost my 3rd Dread now, due to the log in tactics RAT use alot, this tactic is brought by fear.
I will send a petition of this because after RAT logged in and warped to my position my screen froze and I was unable to do anything.
Just a personal note, before anyone starts the "I bet they jumped in from another system blah, blah" which is what the last post got about this, we have many, MANY screens of a screen full of red faces logging off, and then logging back in at the exact same time, it happens everyday, RAT turn up with blob, we get counter blob, RAT log off, if their scout sees an oppertunity for an easy kill RAT log on.
Simple as that realy :)
Just a little edit, it is late but LD is German, his English is fine once you get used to it :)
SUPPOSDELY log-in traps are legit now, as long as u dont log off where the person is, like the gate, so they logged at a planet then warped to the gate its supposed to be legit, if it isn't got beef with some gms ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:53:00 -
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yes i think as long as a mass logoff isnt involved and u warp in to fight the defenders then yes its not an exploit but if u log on and off to create lag in a deliberate way then a case may be had
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:55:00 -
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This new patch should be called Red Lag Rising.
The servers cannot handle the current load of players currently logged in.
A 20 v 20 is a lagfest.
Used to be able to do 100 v 100 with some lag. Can't do that now without massive problems.
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Kanuo Ashkeron
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Posted - 2006.01.22 10:10:00 -
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When 10+ people login at the same time and the same place and kill another one shortly after, isn¦t that proof enough for login tactics? (All this infos should be in the server logs)
Kanuo
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.01.22 10:22:00 -
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red lag risen now its yardware rising
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 22/01/2006 11:28:06 Edited by: Jovialmadness on 22/01/2006 11:26:20
Quote: To the op; Wie lang spielst' schon Freund? Klingts ganz bl÷d was die dir angetan hab'n.
Am besten Ist solche leute einfach zu ignorieren. Weiter fliegen, nichts mehr hier zu sehen.
How long have you played my friend? That should not have happened.
Its best just to ignore this. Nothing to see, keep flying.
EDIT: Your translation presented to us oh mysterious Deutsch one.
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Arctic Angel
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kanuo Ashkeron When 10+ people login at the same time and the same place and kill another one shortly after, isn¦t that proof enough for login tactics? (All this infos should be in the server logs)
Kanuo
Logon traps are lame, but not something you can really show from any logs. Eve at the moment is so unpredictably laggy that the screen can freeze anytime for minutes for a whole gang and only thing you can do i relog to be able to play. If the GM's would then mistake a lag related relog to a login trap and ban people for doing it, it'd be a disaster.
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Dan Grobag
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:32:00 -
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a long time ago, you were selling me cap recharger II for 100k isk per run, you must be very rich now with that bpo. you shouldn't have any problems buying another dread :)
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Light Darkness on 22/01/2006 11:35:16 Sry. But if you know login you will warp 100k km = best time to form a gang and warp to the target.
But the trap self isnt the point. The point is cause the lag after this login was really bad. = we got eve running and they have a "new" restarted eve = they nearly havnt the lags and our gang was nearly completly frozen...thats a "login Trap"..."or cheat"..."or the server"...????
I cant do anythink and got frozen screen.
Now its CCP turn to do anythink.
Regards /LD
BTW: I play a long time m8t.
*-V-President* *-V-Fleet Command*
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dan Grobag a long time ago, you were selling me cap recharger II for 100k isk per run, you must be very rich now with that bpo. you shouldn't have any problems buying another dread :)
Heheheh i remember.
Its right that Seraphin is able to build the next. But that isnt the point atm. This kills the fun more then CCP think. Not for me alone.
How i told before.
Thats a "Login Trap"..."cheat"..."server problem"...?
Regards /LD
*-V-President* *-V-Fleet Command*
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.22 12:06:00 -
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LD, should i provide you with links to post, where your guys laught @ RED, who were unable to do anything due to lag. And told them, that V winning just by skill. How do you feel, when you got trapped in this situation, but on the other side of the fence ?
Some of our guys got screen freezes too. For me - lag was totally ok - about 1 - 2 sec to activate module. ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust |
MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.01.22 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 22/01/2006 12:25:15 To cause server lag is a bannable offence, if players use this tactic when they know it causes lag for other players they "should" be banned for it. i seriously doubt CCP would allow a tactic that causes lag to other players and not do anything about it.
Its in their own TOS/EULA/whatever... should be a 60 sec countdown when logging out(your ship will remain in space for 60 seconds but you go to desktop like normal), and a 60 sec wait time before you can do anything when logging in(you wait like you do when you jump a gate but cant do anything for 60 sec) and if more then 10 ppl login at the same time in the same system there should be a queue or something to avoid server lag.
Its in CCPs own contract that you cant cause server lag. ppl doing it should face the consequence. and ofc its the lamest thing i heard a corp use for a tactic.
CCP allowing it is bull****, if they are they need to change their contract because i still see that it says it isnt allowed to cause server lag on purpouse.
edit: if its a big problem(it seems to be) they should make a sticky and try to prevent corps using the "lagoutenemy" tactic while they can fix the game stabilety or untill they upgraded the servers. or changed their TOS allowing players to lag out the game on purpouse as a legal "tactic"...
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.01.22 12:29:00 -
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Login traps are for the weak.
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.22 12:50:00 -
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If this is true then it's incredibly lame. I suggest you send it to CCP, because on the forums without any proof it's just trash talk.
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Tharbad
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Posted - 2006.01.22 12:59:00 -
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All the people whining about LD's englished managed to spectactularly miss the fact that he wrote half his first post in a Haiku poem (5-7-5 syllables), which is pretty clever in a language that's not even your first.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.22 13:06:00 -
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so many fanboys ^^ Why you stfu, when the same happened to RED ? ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust |
Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.01.22 13:19:00 -
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no respect to logon trap kills, simple.
its technically an exploit, as ur epxliting the 1m warp away thingie, which shoudl give players the itme to warp off - but capital ships dont have it. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.22 13:28:00 -
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Oh, well. We dont need respect. Do we ? ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust |
Darkdashing
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Posted - 2006.01.22 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Light Darkness Hello CCP and RAT.
Now the 3rd DN goes down cause loggin trap from RAT fear step dear RAT.
And also i will make a Peti cause after loggin/jumpin from RAT i got frozen screen.....
Regards /LD
stop posting--take a course in grammar and modern communication for bipeds.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:00:00 -
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so the moral of the story is, a guy keeps loosing dreads because he is an idiot
idiot? might be harsh, but look at it. if you had a dread would you move it anywhere without security ?
umm ya youd have some friends there. as for the log in tactic, well sucks ya, but not an exploit, they will show up on main as soon as they log in and if you watching youll see them , just like if they zone into the system.
and as for your screen freezing, welcome to the problem everyones facing, not just your whinyness, random lag.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Mj Pronin
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:00:00 -
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Just tell me why if RED losing 2 Dreds in single fight is considered fair and no red pilot even thinking of writing petition? And why for god's sake as soon as rich stupid -V-****got got pwned, he ALWAY start to cry and harrasing CCp with stupid petitions?
May be you, -V- and their fans, need to finally learn 2 simple things in EVE. 1. If you planning to fly big fat expensive ships in PvP-you should learn how to fight using them and how to protect them. 2 you should get used to the fact that nobody cares if you lose your 3 dread, while you have 10 more in your hangar. If you go on crying about "omg i got pwned by red cheaters"-you will be losing all the rest of you dreads, no matter how many you have stored. so stop childish cries, learn how to fight and respest your enemy if you get defeated. "You always learn from your defeats" - some wise man used to say.
Аnd props to the R.A.T. fighters. You guys doing awesome job! without you EVE would be dull place.
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Darkdashing
Originally by: Light Darkness Hello CCP and RAT.
Now the 3rd DN goes down cause loggin trap from RAT fear step dear RAT.
And also i will make a Peti cause after loggin/jumpin from RAT i got frozen screen.....
Regards /LD
stop posting--take a course in grammar and modern communication for bipeds.
Dann fang mal an Deutsch zu lernen....
I my eyes ia a Login Trap a exploit and dont have anythink to do with a server lag in a large fight....
Regards /LD
*-V-President* *-V-Fleet Command*
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Dave Tehsulei
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:05:00 -
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good kill RAT.
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei good kill RAT.
You cant cause..
...they use other accouts and have 1 scout or trap running... ...Then they login to the same time and gank a smaller gang overpowered... ...if they see more enemys comming "mostly" they fly to a save and loggoff again... ...then they use his other acc and have again a scout/trap running...
THX for the gamefun.
Regards /LD
*-V-President* *-V-Fleet Command*
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Agent LeFemme
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:32:00 -
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haha, owned, RAT 4tw!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:48:00 -
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"so the moral of the story is, a guy keeps loosing dreads because he is an idiot
idiot? might be harsh, but look at it. if you had a dread would you move it anywhere without security ?"
"I have probs if we engage a dread+ small support that in 30sec 1 dread and around 12 BS + support loggin in to the same time..."
doesn't sound he was 'moving it anywhere' ... but rather engaged what was considered reasonable target (dread vs dread), and then got swarmed by extra forces that logged in.
And since you have no way to tell if there's 15+ people logged off in a system and waiting to gank you (as opposed to hiding in nearby systems or whatever) ... by this logic anyone who chooses to fight is "an idiot".
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Tjakka
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Agent LeFemme haha, owned, RAT 4tw!
you are pathetic.
sry to hear it LD but thats how it goes sometimes you lose something in a maybe not fully legal way but thats **** happens.
get over it you got the isk to replace and CCP doesnt do **** about it even if you post the fraps for it they wont do ****
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mj Pronin Just tell me why if RED losing 2 Dreds in single fight is considered fair and no red pilot even thinking of writing petition? And why for god's sake as soon as rich stupid -V-****got got pwned, he ALWAY start to cry and harrasing CCp with stupid petitions?
May be you, -V- and their fans, need to finally learn 2 simple things in EVE. 1. If you planning to fly big fat expensive ships in PvP-you should learn how to fight using them and how to protect them. 2 you should get used to the fact that nobody cares if you lose your 3 dread, while you have 10 more in your hangar. If you go on crying about "omg i got pwned by red cheaters"-you will be losing all the rest of you dreads, no matter how many you have stored. so stop childish cries, learn how to fight and respest your enemy if you get defeated. "You always learn from your defeats" - some wise man used to say.
Аnd props to the R.A.T. fighters. You guys doing awesome job! without you EVE would be dull place.
Dont think you read the post at all, or maybe didnt understand it, I am now going to explain a few points, firstly ,why is RED losing 3 dreads fair and V not? well the first two dreads LD lost WERE fair, no complaint, same as your dread losses, why may you ask? well mainly because they were lost in a fair, honest and honorable way.
Now you say if we fly big ass ship learn to protect it blah blah, OK tell me this, you have scouts in all adjacent systems ,you know what enemy you are about to fight, and decide its a fair fight, so you engage it, next thing another force logs on and warps to your position, now you tell me how do you protect against this?
Oh "and always learn from your defeat" you mean like you guys, log/ss/warp to pos/dock everytime a V pilot enters one of your systems, frnakly RED youre a joke, we cant get a fight from you, its only your own fanboys as you call them that are doing anything to defend your space, in all honesty I feel safer flying around RED space than I do GW, can fly about for 4-5 fours with 5 frigs around all major systems and all blobs on the map and not finb one single ship, so carry on with your big talk when someone else wins a battle for you.
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Agent LeFemme
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tjakka
Originally by: Agent LeFemme haha, owned, RAT 4tw!
you are pathetic.
sry to hear it LD but thats how it goes sometimes you lose something in a maybe not fully legal way but thats **** happens.
get over it you got the isk to replace and CCP doesnt do **** about it even if you post the fraps for it they wont do ****
bohooo, call the wuambulance!!
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.22 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 22/01/2006 20:18:07
TBH, if I am CCP, I will make mass gang op (anything more than 3 ppl per gang) login/logoff an exploit. Somewhere, when many small gangs login/logoff, the server gets heavily loaded authenticating players, and then assigning players into nodes. If this is not an exploit. I forsee, "if we cant beat them (their login/logoff tactic), join them" then we all shall see EvE server popping/rebooting daily because of unscrupulous players exploiting this legal cheat that can potentially crash (or mess up) the nodes.
If I have my way, I would...
*/me not taking any side, just pointing out the problem that can appear because of the tactic* ----------------
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.22 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Darkdashing
Originally by: Light Darkness Hello CCP and RAT.
Now the 3rd DN goes down cause loggin trap from RAT fear step dear RAT.
And also i will make a Peti cause after loggin/jumpin from RAT i got frozen screen.....
Regards /LD
stop posting--take a course in grammar and modern communication for bipeds.
Immature comments from an immature player. Not everybody spechen proper Englisch as second language. If you read between the lines carefully, I am sure you can understand what he means.
Remember, you are in a cluster with all players worldwide. Dont be surprise if there are little green ppl playing this game too!
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Wizard
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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Light Darkness I dont have fear to fight a battle....most know that. Also i dont have probs to lost a ship if the enemys fight/lead better.
I have probs if we engage a dread+ small support that in 30sec 1 dread and around 12 BS + support loggin in to the same time...
I have probs if i got a frozen screen 4 mins long and cant do anythink. Also after relogg not the "entering space" button see. I saw a "entering failed" button.
The first 2 dreads i lost after a good fight the other fought. But this one wasnt right....tbh...
/LD
We just didnt bother engageing them if i could help it after a while, there tactics were alwasy the same.
Fair play to them in a way though for logging off constantly in eve and waiting to gank targets. I know i havent the patience to do so and would rather fight, time is to precious.
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Stratosfear
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Posted - 2006.01.22 22:05:00 -
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RAT killed a 5 freighter that way. They are dirty fighters, don't engage if you want a good fight.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.01.22 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mj Pronin Just tell me why if RED losing 2 Dreds in single fight is considered fair and no red pilot even thinking of writing petition? And why for god's sake as soon as rich stupid -V-****got got pwned, he ALWAY start to cry and harrasing CCp with stupid petitions?
Why is it that there's always, in every thread, ppl responding without bothering to read the previous posts, and especially the OP?
There wasn't a login trap when RED lost their 2 dreads, was there? And there wasn't any outcome-deciding lag involved either, was there?
Originally by: Darkdashing stop posting--take a course in grammar and modern communication for bipeds.
Did it ever cross your mind that not everyone across the globe has had english at school? And do you seriously think LD should take an english course now just for the sake of pleasing some immature acting guy asking so somewhere on the internet?
I'm still somewhat puzzled as to why RAT didn't stick to the game mechanics. They could have accomplished the same really, if properly planned and executed. Instead they chose the easy way and circumvented the game mechanics, rendering all of our scouts and patrols utterly 100% pointless.
Dread kill nevertheless, aye, but what for? What did you gain now that you wouldn't have gained otherwise?
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Kresh Vladir
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Posted - 2006.01.22 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Failin Zhar Edited by: Failin Zhar on 22/01/2006 02:36:12 Edited by: Failin Zhar on 22/01/2006 02:35:07
Originally by: Nebuli Just a little edit, it is late but LD is German, his English is fine once you get used to it :)
He lost his third dread? Some people have too much isk for their own good ;) But then again it's good we have wealthy people in -V-! His english...no, it's not fine at all. I'm not talking about his spelling, spelling is just fine. He just makes no sense at all. It's almost as if his words got scrambled by a star destroyer in low orbit around earth before getting posted here. I wish I could be an imperial officer wearing a tight uniform and silly hat :(
*edit* At first I didn't make any sense either =)
doesint his corp own a t2 cap bpo....
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MACTEP
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:06:00 -
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GJ RAT. 2LD if you have a friend among GMs ссp ll give your dread back..... if you have not... you ll got just a letter...
"Our apologies for the late reply. I am sorry to say that I have been unable to verify that your ship was lost due to abnormal circumstances. http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp "
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: MACTEP GJ RAT. 2LD if you have a friend among GMs ссp ll give your dread back..... if you have not... you ll got just a letter...
"Our apologies for the late reply. I am sorry to say that I have been unable to verify that your ship was lost due to abnormal circumstances. http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp "
RA... your time is up.
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PoMaP
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:23:00 -
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ROFLMAO. If you not see 10+ hostile BS in next system, this is your problem. Our main fleet was 1j from 1v-, and just 6 BS in 1V-.
Dirty fighters? Yeahhh. Because when -V-, CHIMP and other see us, they run to SS or POS.... cowards. Today our 14 BS attack 19 BS CHIMP at gate.... and? They all throw their friends and run away. RAT lost 1 Inty & kill 4BS+Badger Mk2 with strontium. If you want a good fight, try to stay away from POS ..... and we will come
Only FUCO -V- try to withstand us in local wars. 1) 2HAC <1 lost> + inty <lost>[FUCO] vs 2HAC + inty <lost>[RAT] 2) 5 BS <3 lost> [FUCO] vs 5 BS [RAT].
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: PoMaP ROFLMAO. If you not see 10+ hostile BS in next system, this is your problem. Our main fleet was 1j from 1v-, and just 6 BS in 1V-.
From what I understood it was a logon trap. If I'm mistaken, I'll withdraw my previous comments.
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MACTEP
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:27:00 -
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lol... you really do not understand that war did not begin yet?)))
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 23/01/2006 00:31:03
Originally by: Evil Thug
As for login trap. You can complain as much, as you want. We got pummeled with login trap, during summer 2004 by Xanadu. Since then - CCP allowed players to do that.
Log in traps are only utilised by the unskilled.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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PoMaP
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: MACTEP GJ RAT. 2LD if you have a friend among GMs ссp ll give your dread back..... if you have not... you ll got just a letter...
"Our apologies for the late reply. I am sorry to say that I have been unable to verify that your ship was lost due to abnormal circumstances. http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp "
RA... your time is up.
Expect the same treatment from me.
stfu n00b. True CA alive and we come for you
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captain Donkey
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Light Darkness I dont have fear to fight a battle....most know that. Also i dont have probs to lost a ship if the enemys fight/lead better.
I have probs if we engage a dread+ small support that in 30sec 1 dread and around 12 BS + support loggin in to the same time...
I have probs if i got a frozen screen 4 mins long and cant do anythink. Also after relogg not the "entering space" button see. I saw a "entering failed" button.
The first 2 dreads i lost after a good fight the other fought. But this one wasnt right....tbh...
/LD
sounds like RA now.. what gives
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Nebuli on 23/01/2006 00:42:18
Originally by: PoMaP ROFLMAO. If you not see 10+ hostile BS in next system, this is your problem. Our main fleet was 1j from 1v-, and just 6 BS in 1V-.
Dirty fighters? Yeahhh. Because when -V-, CHIMP and other see us, they run to SS or POS.... cowards. Today our 14 BS attack 19 BS CHIMP at gate.... and? They all throw their friends and run away. RAT lost 1 Inty & kill 4BS+Badger Mk2 with strontium. If you want a good fight, try to stay away from POS ..... and we will come
Only FUCO -V- try to withstand us in local wars. 1) 2HAC <1 lost> + inty <lost>[FUCO] vs 2HAC + inty <lost>[RAT] 2) 5 BS <3 lost> [FUCO] vs 5 BS [RAT].
Erm, you guys already admited you used a log on trap on page one, you kinda just pwned yourself their.
And may I also point out that the reason people dont want to engage you may well be down to that fact that they know full well you will use lame tactics to win, when you keap having the same people using the same log in tactic over and over again and see 5 of them in the system, your brain tells you their is likely an entire fleet logged off waiting for the nod to log on, doesnt give people much motivation to fight you now does it?
Maybe fight fairly without the lame tactics and more people will be willing to fight you?
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:42:00 -
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If it was a login trap then I feel sorry for you LD.. Login traps cant be countered no matter what you do....
Anyway LD sorry for you lose..
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PoMaP
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aeon Yakati
Originally by: PoMaP ROFLMAO. If you not see 10+ hostile BS in next system, this is your problem. Our main fleet was 1j from 1v-, and just 6 BS in 1V-.
From what I understood it was a logon trap. If I'm mistaken, I'll withdraw my previous comments.
Our BS was in system and already has time to kill 2 BS, HAC & BB
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UAxDEATH
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:46:00 -
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LD when you warped on 1 dread, which was at a planet, along with all your support and your dread.. It wasn't "Ganking".. when you put yourself in siege mode, you still had no problem..You were looking for easy targets.. when you saw our gang, killing your and your support.. that's ganking for ya??
You did a mistake - DO NOT make an excuse..
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nebuli on 23/01/2006 00:50:18
Originally by: UAxDEATH LD when you warped on 1 dread, which was at a planet, along with all your support and your dread.. It wasn't "Ganking".. when you put yourself in siege mode, you still had no problem..You were looking for easy targets.. when you saw our gang, killing your and your support.. that's ganking for ya??
You did a mistake - DO NOT make an excuse..
Have you even read this thread?
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Pierre Riviere
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Light Darkness
But the trap self isnt the point. The point is cause the lag ....
Everyone looses a ship to lag or ctd everynow and again. Is this really General Discussion worthy? I don't see everyone else posting everytime they loose a ship to something out of their control, they just get on with it and put a petition in if it makes them feel better. |
Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Pierre Riviere
Originally by: Light Darkness
But the trap self isnt the point. The point is cause the lag ....
Everyone looses a ship to lag or ctd everynow and again. Is this really General Discussion worthy? I don't see everyone else posting everytime they loose a ship to something out of their control, they just get on with it and put a petition in if it makes them feel better.
Big difference between lag created intentionaly by mass log ins in the same system and from general day to day play lag tbh m8.
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UAxDEATH
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli Edited by: Nebuli on 23/01/2006 00:50:18
Originally by: UAxDEATH LD when you warped on 1 dread, which was at a planet, along with all your support and your dread.. It wasn't "Ganking".. when you put yourself in siege mode, you still had no problem..You were looking for easy targets.. when you saw our gang, killing your and your support.. that's ganking for ya??
You did a mistake - DO NOT make an excuse..
Have you even read this thread?
is that post about Britny Spears ??
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Pierre Riviere
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:22:00 -
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In my humble opinion, the way this post has developed it should be in the Alliance and Corp Discussion or somewhere more suitably discreet and ignored.
Instead of polluting the General Discussion forum, which is normally a bastion of free thinking, open minded, intelligent discussion.
Anyway, I logged in to see if there was any exciting new dev blogs posted but instead I get to read posts about who stole who's jammy dodger from their pack lunch box and other such important and complex issues that drive alliance politics and goals.
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Pierre Riviere
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli Big difference between lag created intentionaly by mass log ins in the same system and from general day to day play lag tbh m8.
does 15 odd ships = mass?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: PoMaP
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: MACTEP GJ RAT. 2LD if you have a friend among GMs ссp ll give your dread back..... if you have not... you ll got just a letter...
"Our apologies for the late reply. I am sorry to say that I have been unable to verify that your ship was lost due to abnormal circumstances. http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/reimbursment.asp "
RA... your time is up.
Expect the same treatment from me.
stfu n00b. True CA alive and we come for you
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli About 1-1 1/2 years ago log in trap was considered an exploit, but because it was so hard to prove for the GMs they suddenly decided that it wasnt considered one anymore, personaly I think this is nonesense, imo you could argue using TS in such a way is against EULA with the using 3rd party software thing, but as it stands it isnt an exploit and unfortunately thats the way it is.
QFT
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:36:00 -
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RAT FTW!
Lots of ♥ for Thug
Originally by: Avon I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shaelin Corpius This new patch should be called Red Lag Rising.
But but but the drone changes will fix that!
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Zack Groviere
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:43:00 -
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Jus reading this sh#t and thinking, why all of ya crying here? u cant use this legal tactics well cuz it needs pretty damn good coordination and patience? so thats your problems, but stop cry like a babies here, i'm sick of ya already. PS: GJ RAT.
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Evil RedEye
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Posted - 2006.01.23 02:27:00 -
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-Vi- please stop complaining about the logoff trap, its a legal tactic, not a nice tactic by any means but its legal so just shush and accept another dread loss. Dont get me wrong, I dont particularly like the logoff trap but CCP allow it so its fair game really.
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captain Donkey
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Posted - 2006.01.23 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: captain Donkey on 23/01/2006 04:24:28 sucks when you loss your ship to lag. i remember a thread RA had about you guys causing lag, but it was ok when -v- did it.. suck when the shoe is on the other foot.
ps this is my main.
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cflux
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Posted - 2006.01.23 05:06:00 -
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Edited by: cflux on 23/01/2006 05:11:40
Originally by: PoMaP
CHIMP and other see us, they run to SS or POS.... cowards. Today our 14 BS attack 19 BS CHIMP at gate.... and? They all throw their friends and run away. RAT lost 1 Inty & kill 4BS+Badger Mk2 with strontium. If you want a good fight, try to stay away from POS
You know very well yourself that isn't true. Just two weeks ago we had situation where our outnumbered fleet was in DG and RA fleet that was 10 ship stronger safespotted and logged out. Only few shots where fired.
CHIMP is fighting fair and we should have mutal respect if even newbie like me has fought against Rage and Terror around PO4 before Chimp was even born.
It's kinda sad to see that now we have resulted in smack like "throw our friends and run into POS" when CHIMP has shown respect to RAT and RA as opponent while fighting for Detorid.
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2006.01.23 05:07:00 -
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Any ship loss due to lag should be ccp's responsability.
It is most unfortunate that this is a responsability ccp chooses to ignore because there servers are so laggy it'd cost them way to much to actually act like adults and balls up to what they owe people.
Any ship loss due to intentional manipulation of the server to deliberately cause lag should be criminal and cause players & even entire corps to lose there ability to ever play the game again.
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Corey Grim
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Posted - 2006.01.23 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: PoMaP ROFLMAO. If you not see 10+ hostile BS in next system, this is your problem. Our main fleet was 1j from 1v-, and just 6 BS in 1V-.
Dirty fighters? Yeahhh. Because when -V-, CHIMP and other see us, they run to SS or POS.... cowards. Today our 14 BS attack 19 BS CHIMP at gate.... and? They all throw their friends and run away. RAT lost 1 Inty & kill 4BS+Badger Mk2 with strontium. If you want a good fight, try to stay away from POS .....
Not every fight is meant to be fought and you as more experienced player should know that allready. im very supprised to see smacking from your part when i have been in curse/detorid/etc. 5 months actively roaming around and never seen you there, this off course doesnt mean nothing or does it ?
Evil Thug Plz plz plz keep ur man out of forums if he cant show mutual respect and those things that Cflux allready mentioned.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.23 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Corey Grim
Evil Thug Plz plz plz keep ur man out of forums if he cant show mutual respect and those things that Cflux allready mentioned.
RAT. members allowed to express they own thoughts anytime, anywhere. And since almost every RAT. pilot is not just mine corpmember, but friend - i will support them anywhere they go, or post
Originally by: Corey Grim
EDIT: oh and back to topic im sry LD that you lost dread due lag spike
Back ontopic - LD thought, that he will able to tank 2 dreds with 1 capital repair. Lag doesn`t really matter in this case. Since he was doomed, when he pressed on "activate siege module" button. ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust |
Metal Dude
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Posted - 2006.01.23 06:53:00 -
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What a surprise. RAT using a log on trap and blaming it on Xanadu, a corp that does not even exists/plays EVE anymore. You really should expect that from them by now. They have been doing it for a long time now and imo are the most underhanded, cowardly corp without any honor whatsoever. They will break any agreement when it suits them and they give the Russian players a bad name and then they complain that people call them out on it.
Of course they will claim they donÆt want to hold any space, but thatÆs only because they canÆt play the POS wars right before downtime game anymore and when it comes to PVP, the only way they can win is when they use cheep, close to exploit tactics.
See you in space soon, thug. Count on it. And if you canÆt wait, come get some, since you donÆt claim any space, you should be able to come to where we are without any problems and fight us. How about helping out your allies that came down and helped you when you needed their help? How come you donÆt return the favor and come fight us in their space, considering you are mostly responsible for their suffering? Then again, the log in trap wonÆt work on our dreads, so I donÆt expect to see you nowhere near us, because you know that we will pawn you in strait up PVP. See you soon thug. ThatÆs a promise.
The truth will set you free
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Corey Grim
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Posted - 2006.01.23 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
RAT. members allowed to express they own thoughts anytime, anywhere. And since almost every RAT. pilot is not just mine corpmember, but friend - i will support them anywhere they go, or post
That is exactly the way it should be in every corp, alltho i simply meaned that smacking from his part was unnesecary and i was suprised that it taked place at all.
Originally by: Evil Thug
Back ontopic - LD thought, that he will able to tank 2 dreds with 1 capital repair. Lag doesn`t really matter in this case. Since he was doomed, when he pressed on "activate siege module" button.
i wasnt there so i dont claim to know what happened. regards for LD for his loss no matter what happened.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.23 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Evil Thug on 23/01/2006 06:59:34
Originally by: Metal Dude What a surprise. RAT using a log on trap and blaming it on Xanadu, a corp that does not even exists/plays EVE anymore. You really should expect that from them by now. They have been doing it for a long time now and imo are the most underhanded, cowardly corp without any honor whatsoever. They will break any agreement when it suits them and they give the Russian players a bad name and then they complain that people call them out on it.
Of course they will claim they donÆt want to hold any space, but thatÆs only because they canÆt play the POS wars right before downtime game anymore and when it comes to PVP, the only way they can win is when they use cheep, close to exploit tactics.
See you in space soon, thug. Count on it. And if you canÆt wait, come get some, since you donÆt claim any space, you should be able to come to where we are without any problems and fight us. How about helping out your allies that came down and helped you when you needed their help? How come you donÆt return the favor and come fight us in their space, considering you are mostly responsible for their suffering? Then again, the log in trap wonÆt work on our dreads, so I donÆt expect to see you nowhere near us, because you know that we will pawn you in strait up PVP. See you soon thug. ThatÆs a promise.
1 word. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You looks p1$$ed, btw. ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust |
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Rumata
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Posted - 2006.01.23 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Rumata on 23/01/2006 07:58:45
Originally by: Metal Dude
See you soon thug. That’s a promise.
Funeral services at our expense. from myself personally to you I shall order an orchestra
In the necrologue it will be written He very much liked to threaten at a forum to people. But people laughed at its threats. Not having sustained this contradiction, he has died
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Evengard
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Posted - 2006.01.23 08:08:00 -
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Then you kill someone 10 to 1 and laggeg and start yell in local about n00bs it's normal but if you got ganked, start to write petitions?? As always... Varitas way... You won't get any respect from your enemy by your petitions. So plz STFU and go mine yourself for another Moros.
As for RAT, good as always...
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.01.23 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
As for login trap. You can complain as much, as you want. We got pummeled with login trap, during summer 2004 by Xanadu. Since then - CCP allowed players to do that.
Yes, if other ppl throw garbage on streets and not in containers, why should I be different.
Pathetic excuse to defend lame, lame, lmae tactic, IMHO.
I dont know if my friends used this tactic or not...this is MY honest opinion.
As i said before in some threads....those that log of in space should be transported 20 jumps away next time they log (And , yes, I know some has to log of because of RL issues)
[ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me". |
Xaarist
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Posted - 2006.01.23 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Xaarist on 23/01/2006 08:33:48 when we see our buddyicons flashing red and green up to the top of the screen it goes on TS like "oh, another RA logintrap" and stuff like that. this can't be intended by RA, since they definately have honorable pilots in their rows (i guess the majority). we have experienced this several times, and to be honest, i always believed it was a bannable offense. some posts say it is stated by CCP that it is not, but there is that rule that causing lag on a server by determined action is considered an exploit, and since numerous log-in/log-off procedures may cause lag i think these two points of view are colliding (not proven if CCP stated that it was a legal tactic).
we should learn two things out of this thread. 1. smack is bad, but it is always present in the forums and it will never stop 2. CCP should give us their ultimate attitude towards the issue "login-trap" to make clear to everyone and his mother if it is allowed or not. (even if it is allowed i consider it a lame tactic, but that's another story.) ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. |
Terradoct
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Posted - 2006.01.23 08:36:00 -
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In RL it's called - Ambush. So face it like a real man and stop crying.
P.S.: yesterday I whent through 1v with 41 -V- in local, and you know, I was lagged on jumping in to that system, when in Konora with 50+ in local was just fine.
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2006.01.23 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xaarist Edited by: Xaarist on 23/01/2006 08:33:48 when we see our buddyicons flashing red and green up to the top of the screen it goes on TS like "oh, another RA logintrap" and stuff like that. this can't be intended by RA, since they definately have honorable pilots in their rows (i guess the majority). we have experienced this several times, and to be honest, i always believed it was a bannable offense. some posts say it is stated by CCP that it is not, but there is that rule that causing lag on a server by determined action is considered an exploit, and since numerous log-in/log-off procedures may cause lag i think these two points of view are colliding (not proven if CCP stated that it was a legal tactic).
we should learn two things out of this thread. 1. smack is bad, but it is always present in the forums and it will never stop 2. CCP should give us their ultimate attitude towards the issue "login-trap" to make clear to everyone and his mother if it is allowed or not. (even if it is allowed i consider it a lame tactic, but that's another story.)
don't add all pilots of enemy alliance in to the buddy list, you will be lagged to death if they began to loggin or off at same time. I had it befor, and my buddy list now is only with nessery key pilots , enemy and friends that I need to know wheneve they are on or off.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.01.23 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Terradoct In RL it's called - Ambush. So face it like a real man and stop crying. .
In REAL LIFE only one that could do this is David Coprfield and Hudini...so, stop being smart a.s.s [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me". |
Terradoct
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Posted - 2006.01.23 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 23/01/2006 08:46:35
Originally by: Terradoct In RL it's called - Ambush. So face it like a real man and stop crying. .
In REAL LIFE only one that could do this is David Coperfield and Hudini...so, stop being smart a.s.s...only 1 word of those you are and that is not the first one
Have you been in army?
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.01.23 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 23/01/2006 08:54:56
Originally by: Terradoct
Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 23/01/2006 08:46:35
Originally by: Terradoct In RL it's called - Ambush. So face it like a real man and stop crying. .
In REAL LIFE only one that could do this is David Coperfield and Hudini...so, stop being smart a.s.s...only 1 word of those you are and that is not the first one
Have you been in army?
Have you been in war? Stop talking about ambush. It ainght logical for someone to disapeare (grammar) and then as magician to apear again.
Ambush as ambush is ok thing..but not with loging of and then on tactic. It would be fair if number of pilots in local wouldnt be shown to use proper ambush...but loging in is not [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me". |
Rumata
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Posted - 2006.01.23 09:21:00 -
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lame tactic, explots, blablabla
There were 3 fights. In these 3 fights - u lost moros and 5 BSs our side no losses. Fight has begun at 1.07 and has ended at 2.33 our gang was 17, local was 50 in the beginning of fight, and 20 members of V logged in beginning of our attack At your double numerical superiority - our convincing victory. If V had eggs to fight with us on equal numbers - all would terminate for them much earlier. Accept defeat silently. To LD it has been proposed - fight 10 on 10. He cowardly refused. This offer in force. If not so, let Thug will correct me.
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Darkdashing
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Posted - 2006.01.23 09:26:00 -
[111]
english is your friend Be a good friend to english.
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Garia666
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Posted - 2006.01.23 09:34:00 -
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Well as far as i know the login trick is an exploit.. As far as i know i would keep on petitioning until they get an oficial warning. .
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semp
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Posted - 2006.01.23 10:11:00 -
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Sad really when the mighty Rage and Terror resort to log on traps to get their kills.
We used a single friggy to tackle and take down one of your Dreads in our space, a legit kill, belive me guys its a whole lot sweeter but i guess you'll never know.
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PoMaP
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Posted - 2006.01.23 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Corey Grim Evil Thug Plz plz plz keep ur man out of forums if he cant show mutual respect and those things that Cflux allready mentioned.
Mom, he kick me!!!!
Respect? STFU. I have many videos -V- and CHIMP... Are you call this respect?.
Ohhh, or respect this? ***** [19:00:22] "one FUCO member"> F*CK YOU F*CK CCP AND F*CK CCCP!!!! ***** CCCP on russian - USSR. Check EULA, whats happen when you insult country? ***** [19:01:59] "one FUCO member"> STFU "RAT Member" i WAS DISCONECTED, thats why you got me you f*cking B*TCH ***** [19:04:03] "one FUCO member"> YOU ARE COS I F*CK IT!!!
I have full Log, and don't tell petition only because [19:08:29] 554812 > sorry RAT.. u have to excuse polish penetrator :P
If you want respect from opponent, you must respect your opponent.
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.01.23 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: Trepkos Seeing that one person has lost three dreads, I fear the dreadnaughts' novelty is starting to wear off.
Give or take a few monthes and everyone in EVE will be flying one, and losing them for being noobish.
Hope you werent implying losing a Dread to a log in trap is n00bish?
1 question what was he doing in a system alone flying a dread?
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.01.23 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous 1 question what was he doing in a system alone flying a dread?
Engaging another dread.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.01.23 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: PoMaP If you want respect from opponent, you must respect your opponent.
Please send me the log so we can take care of this.
And please don't judge an alliance by the words of just one individual.
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.01.23 10:36:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Aeon Yakati
Originally by: Cypherous 1 question what was he doing in a system alone flying a dread?
Engaging another dread.
Ahh thats cool, the original post made it sound like he was alone, well if thats the case yeah very shameful tactics, you could have atleast waited 1 jump out and jumped in to engage him.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:06:00 -
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After I witnessed a typical RAT. member who was smacking in local like a 13 year old on CS that thinks he is an MTV Gangsta it's no suprise that the rest of the community has decided that RAT. are pretty much the lowest form of scum that floats to the surface
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Corey Grim
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: PoMaP
If you want respect from opponent, you must respect your opponent.
agreed. So dont be worse than that. ¿ I have respect to RA and RAT but there are and there will allways be pilots who dont deserve to be respected and this simple fact goes for every alliance.
I hope that ppl starts to understand that one man doesnt make alliance.
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Atma Darkwolf
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:46:00 -
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You know, this issue(and so many other stupid issues) could be fixed by simply NOW ALLOWING SHIPS TO DISSAPEAR AFTER YOU LOG OUT.
If you want to log out, you have to either find a safe spot, or dock at a station. This would stop the mass log outs/log ins (since u won't get the 1 mil km warp off thing) and ships would no longer be 'safe' while u left. Macrominers would also not be safe, since they couldn't just log off to avoid being 'caught'.
Hell..this would add both RP and fun to the game on all levels in my POV.
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Eldo Davip
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:54:00 -
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Thread cleaned. Please refrain from flaming/trolling. You may or may not like the so called Log on tactic but that doesnt allow you to troll/flame.
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Rumata
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: semp Edited by: semp on 23/01/2006 10:22:30 Sad really when the mighty Rage and Terror resort to log on traps to get their kills.
We used a single friggy to tackle one of your Dreads in our space, we then sent in small hit squad of around 6 pilots to finish the job, a legit kill, belive me guys its a whole lot sweeter but i guess you'll never know.
is frig can scramble dread, prevent from jumping to another system on field ?
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Xaarist
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Posted - 2006.01.23 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Uggster After I witnessed a typical RAT. member who was smacking in local like a 13 year old on CS that thinks he is an MTV Gangsta it's no suprise that the rest of the community has decided that RAT. are pretty much the lowest form of scum that floats to the surface
these are harsh words Uggster. i fought RAT since i met the first of them, some are nice people to talk to. you can fight each other and be nice. i agree that this is not the case for all RAT members, but it is neither RAT nor RA nor [insert random caorp/alliance here] in common.
as for me - i can always laugh about Evil Thug's posts here. either he is totally stupid or a good roleplayer. since i don't know him in RL at all i assume the latter. with my 10 years of online gaming experience i came to the conclusion that those who are hated most ingame are sometimes really cool people. in the end, EVE is a game. we should act like what we actually are - players. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. |
Nafri
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Posted - 2006.01.23 12:17:00 -
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log in traps arent fine, but thy are allowed, so who cares?
I doubt RAT wants to have respect from 98% of the people in this thread, so why should thy care about "bla blu bli no respect blub"?
Kill is kill, and if the kills makes the enemy upset, well afterall, thats the way to win Eve anyway
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.23 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: semp Edited by: semp on 23/01/2006 10:22:30 Sad really when the mighty Rage and Terror resort to log on traps to get their kills.
We used a single friggy to tackle one of your Dreads in our space, we then sent in small hit squad of around 6 pilots to finish the job, a legit kill,
Oh. Really. May be you`ll turn your brains ON, and think, why 3 dreads jumped, and 1 - not. Noone can feel insured, against client crash (hi, CCP). Still, after dred pilot relogged - he was unable to jump on opened field - he wasn`t scrambled (hi, CCP). Now - you are bragging about kill. Sure. Kill is always kill. But in my opinion - you killed this dred not by skill, but just for random luck.
Originally by: semp
belive me guys its a whole lot sweeter but i guess you'll never know.
If you browse video section, you`ll see, how RAT take out 2 dreds in 1 battle. Only with 6 battleships. Mr. Sarcastic ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust |
DjDangle
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Posted - 2006.01.23 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: DjDangle on 23/01/2006 13:36:44
Originally by: Mj Pronin Just tell me why if RED losing 2 Dreds in single fight is considered fair
It's fair because we didn't use lame weak tactics to achieve the goal. Where as that's the only way you can win a fight.
But all is good, we'll carry on with a war and enjoyable kills knowing that we don't try to lag out other players. We just fight
"On My Signal, Unleash Hell" |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.23 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: Trepkos Seeing that one person has lost three dreads, I fear the dreadnaughts' novelty is starting to wear off.
Give or take a few monthes and everyone in EVE will be flying one, and losing them for being noobish.
Hope you werent implying losing a Dread to a log in trap is n00bish?
Of course it is.
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semp
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Posted - 2006.01.23 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: semp on 23/01/2006 16:46:42
Evil thug i only have one thing to say...
You lost, we won....NEXT !!
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.23 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: semp Edited by: semp on 23/01/2006 16:46:42
Evil thug i only have one thing to say...
You lost, we won....NEXT !!
Please, show me, where i denied it. Kill is always kill. Gratz. ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =) |
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slip66
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Posted - 2006.01.23 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mungis
Honestly, how is this any different than V using can's full of bookmarks to lag out a fleet that's warping in? You got what you deserved, cyal8rbye.
kill mail proof or stfu.
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Freya Selene
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Posted - 2006.01.23 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug No need for this topic, tbh.
As for RAT. coming to scalding pass. Your guys asked us to do that. Asked, by smacking our friends on this forum. We don`t care about RED, but we care about friends. Enjoy.
For someone not carying strangly you seem to post your killmails under there board...
Quote:
As for login trap. You can complain as much, as you want. We got pummeled with login trap, during summer 2004 by Xanadu. Since then - CCP allowed players to do that.
So you admit being a lameass.
Quote:
As for "omg, RAT n00bs, and unable to fight" - please, check Veritas Immortalis killboard, and you`ll see,
I did check the killboards. Strangly altho you dont care about RED you killmails are on there board. However you seem to forgotten your lossmails.
Yes check both boards and compare them.
Quote:
that after killing dred, we had few engagements, with VI forces. Result - quite predictable. 5 battleship and 1 HAC kills, with 1 rifter loss.
Indeed, even tho we where outnumberd, you quickly logged off the dreads couse you got scared of losing them (Balls to LD for bringing his to battle)... there where nothing on the side of RAT for any offensive action. We had to warp to a gate or station (did i said you did outnumber us) to try to lure you fellah's out of your safespots and then even the only engagements you fellah's where man anough to bring is to warp in at 140.
The last few weeks i only learned a few things from RAT and RED in general. Sniper at max range. Use lame tactics. Brag on how good you are when your sniping a shuttle with 6 battleships.
On the other hand my respect to Section XIII and Alcz. They seem to be the only RED's that are able to bring a decent fight.
Greets, Freya Selene.
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Freya Selene
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Posted - 2006.01.23 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Terradoct In RL it's called - Ambush. So face it like a real man and stop crying.
In RL its called impossable. Its impossable that out of the blue 15 battleships laying in your harbor while you have every square in front of the harbor scouted.
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Freya Selene
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Posted - 2006.01.23 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: captain Donkey Edited by: captain Donkey on 23/01/2006 04:24:28 sucks when you loss your ship to lag. i remember a thread RA had about you guys causing lag, but it was ok when -v- did it.. suck when the shoe is on the other foot.
ps this is my main.
Becouse in this situation the lag is created by players on purpose while even on the forums they admit doing it.
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2006.01.23 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
1 word. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You looks p1$$ed, btw.
I'm not ****ed, I just don't like you, thug. I'm sure the feeling is mutual and that's what I'm counting on.
Oh, and I like how you don't answer the question of 'how come you won't help your allies that helped you when you needed them', but I already know the answer to that one. You only use people for your benefit and discard them when you are done with them. One of many reasons why I don't like you. See you soon.
The truth will set you free
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Katamarino
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Posted - 2006.01.23 20:05:00 -
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We have only fought RAT on one occasion. I'd say 2/3 of them were perfectly polite, and a sad few behaved like spoilt children. A shame that a few can drag down the name of the rest.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.23 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Evil Thug
1 word. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You looks p1$$ed, btw.
I'm sure the feeling is mutual and that's what I'm counting on.
No, you are not right. Few months ago, i caught myself on mind, that sometimes, when i`m reading eve-o forums, or local - i`m ready to break face of dude, who said something weird in my\my corp adress. EVE became for me more than game, and thats not right . I reviewed my relationship to EVE. So now, ppl like you, Metal Dude, is just targets for me. Like everyone else, who isn`t blue. It`s quite funny to see posts, filled with anger. I think, i begin to understand guys from Burn Eden
Originally by: Metal Dude
Oh, and I like how you don't answer the question of 'how come you won't help your allies that helped you when you needed them', but I already know the answer to that one. You only use people for your benefit and discard them when you are done with them. One of many reasons why I don't like you. See you soon.
I didn`t see your question. But now - its ok, so here is my answer : Personally I or any RAT. director, haven`t invited F-E \ PA \ NBSI forces to came to Detorid area. I don`t know, may be RA guys did - so, you missed with your question.
As for "omgwewtfpwnyou" - funny again. Since when mighty ATUK corp allowed to capture Concord station in Agil You are simply unable to hurt our corp. You can take any regions, stations, etc. but this won`t affect us at all. May be official war - is solution. But since you having alot more ppl in alliance - more targets for us, and you`ll have alot more losses, than we.
I think, this enough for you ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =) |
Selena Sellion
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Posted - 2006.01.23 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Evil Thug
1 word. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You looks p1$$ed, btw.
I'm sure the feeling is mutual and that's what I'm counting on.
No, you are not right. Few months ago, i caught myself on mind, that sometimes, when i`m reading eve-o forums, or local - i`m ready to break face of dude, who said something weird in my\my corp adress. EVE became for me more than game, and thats not right . I reviewed my relationship to EVE. So now, ppl like you, Metal Dude, is just targets for me. Like everyone else, who isn`t blue. It`s quite funny to see posts, filled with anger. I think, i begin to understand guys from Burn Eden
Originally by: Metal Dude
Oh, and I like how you don't answer the question of 'how come you won't help your allies that helped you when you needed them', but I already know the answer to that one. You only use people for your benefit and discard them when you are done with them. One of many reasons why I don't like you. See you soon.
I didn`t see your question. But now - its ok, so here is my answer : Personally I or any RAT. director, haven`t invited F-E \ PA \ NBSI forces to came to Detorid area. I don`t know, may be RA guys did - so, you missed with your question.
As for "omgwewtfpwnyou" - funny again. Since when mighty ATUK corp allowed to capture Concord station in Agil You are simply unable to hurt our corp. You can take any regions, stations, etc. but this won`t affect us at all. May be official war - is solution. But since you having alot more ppl in alliance - more targets for us, and you`ll have alot more losses, than we.
I think, this enough for you
And youll use logon traps, making it impossible.
This is why its a problem,
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2006.01.23 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug ... I didn`t see your question. But now - its ok, so here is my answer : Personally I or any RAT. director, haven`t invited F-E \ PA \ NBSI forces to came to Detorid area. I don`t know, may be RA guys did - so, you missed with your question.
As for "omgwewtfpwnyou" - funny again. Since when mighty ATUK corp allowed to capture Concord station in Agil You are simply unable to hurt our corp. You can take any regions, stations, etc. but this won`t affect us at all. May be official war - is solution. But since you having alot more ppl in alliance - more targets for us, and you`ll have alot more losses, than we.
I think, this enough for you
I'm not talking about you fighting [5]. I'm talking about you fighting ATUK, a corp. that you supposedly hated so much that you left RA to be able to shoot us while we were NAPed with RA at the time. How come you never, ever came to fight us? Scared?
And you might have not asked FE/PA/NBSI to come help you (I don't believe you) but they did. Don't you think that you could return the favor and come fight your most hated enemy to help out the people that laid it on the line to help you or do you just p1ss on the people that help you in their time of need?
Yea, that's your way and that's why I don't like you. Let that be a lesson to all the people that are allied with you. You only use them for your benefit but when they need you, you ignore them and let them die. Nice allies you are.
Then again, I think you know that you have no chance against real PVP force like us, so you make up excuses not to fight us. Oh well, I guess weÆll have to come looking for you sooner or later. I wonder what excuse youÆll come up with when we do, but IÆm sure youÆll come up with something. I hear Burn Eden is recruiting. ItÆs a perfect fit for your alts. You can even shoot your allies then, but that should not be much of a stretch for you.
The truth will set you free
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2006.01.23 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Terradoct on 23/01/2006 22:39:08
Originally by: Freya Selene
Originally by: Terradoct In RL it's called - Ambush. So face it like a real man and stop crying.
In RL its called impossable. Its impossable that out of the blue 15 battleships laying in your harbor while you have every square in front of the harbor scouted.
Perl-Harbor Israel-Egipte war. WW2 on USSR territory. Afganistan Vietnam Iraq
I can go on with this long list of episods from our RL history.
Ok this is RL. Lets go back to PC games. Mech-Warrior seris. ( enemy mech is invisable on radar if his doesn't activate is core, until visial contact is ) StarTreck Starfleed Command ( same here can't scan for target if it's electronic emision is non or very minimal to sensor pick it up ) Many RTS ( Star Craft - unit: Ghost , Arbitrator ) and so on. List is long and I can't remember all of them.
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.01.24 00:14:00 -
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Ok, they are talking about using a game mechanic (logging off/on) in a way it wasn't designed to be used. Now, I believe that things that do that are generally considered an exploit, or close to it at the very least.
As for other games having stuff that can become invisible, there are still ways to find them and kill them. You log off, you can't be found, and as such, can't be killed.
Also, doing a log in trap is the worst possible way to fight. I would rather fight 5 other ships at once than do something like that. Funny quotes:
San - The system is up says: the only thing Microsoft can make that doesn't suck is a vacuum
Averick - "The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better" so I installed Linux" |
Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.24 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Terradoct Edited by: Terradoct on 23/01/2006 22:39:08
Originally by: Freya Selene
Originally by: Terradoct In RL it's called - Ambush. So face it like a real man and stop crying.
In RL its called impossable. Its impossable that out of the blue 15 battleships laying in your harbor while you have every square in front of the harbor scouted.
Perl-Harbor Israel-Egipte war. WW2 on USSR territory. Afganistan Vietnam Iraq
I can go on with this long list of episods from our RL history.
Ok this is RL. Lets go back to PC games. Mech-Warrior seris. ( enemy mech is invisable on radar if his doesn't activate is core, until visial contact is ) StarTreck Starfleed Command ( same here can't scan for target if it's electronic emision is non or very minimal to sensor pick it up ) Many RTS ( Star Craft - unit: Ghost , Arbitrator ) and so on. List is long and I can't remember all of them.
RL has ambush not login/logoff tactics.
EvE has ambush and login/logoff tactics.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.01.24 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
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RL has ambush not login/logoff tactics.
EvE has ambush and login/logoff tactics.
At the end of the day, EvE is a game. Game has holes for exploit, and game must be fixed.
Erm, Eve doesn't have ambush tactics, outside of logging out of the game. Logging off is the only method avaliable to the player for removing their indicators from local and the global map. If you are seriously trying to argue that ambush in not a valid tactic, then it really is time to go to instanced battlegrounds.
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putukas
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Posted - 2006.01.24 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: putukas on 24/01/2006 06:08:10 why are you argument over if its ambush or not. The problem is you are using massive login to generate lag to ingame people. Im sure everyone in EVE have witnessed lag just after downtime when 1000 pilots want to log in. Its the same thing when 100 ppl are loging in same time same system. Its crazy when you see your right side of the screen full of green icons. You cant even move your ship for 5min. and to be honost if RAT wanst to use hes lame tatics let them... dont take the candy away from childrens you make them cry.
to others who never fought against red or rat. They only dare to attack if they have numbers 2 to 1 and if they see scorpions in your fleet then they have to get 3 to 1 ratio. So if you are planning to get some fun and attack reds then use battlecruisers or cruisers and small ships then maybe you can get some quick action.
...heh i just remembered. one day in 1v we waited 3 hours with 50 pilot fleet for red to get their pilots together and show up. After 3 hours they came with 100+ pilots in their fleet. Me and my fellow corpmates were so damn bored waiting them so my corpmates already log off i stayd and got some fight. I dont understand how REDs them self dont get bored doing this
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Vashi Dokumentu
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Posted - 2006.01.24 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Freya Selene
Sniper at max range. Use lame tactics. Brag on how good you are when your sniping a shuttle with 6 battleships.
Freya Selene.
So u wanna tell me and other people over here, what i`m lame cuz i`m sniping ??
A lot of people know me, -LV- guys been trying to get rid of me for 1 week in they home system ;-)) (hi Velios, and others), and i been killing them, they taklers, indys and even 1 BS - BUT i all the time was alone.
-LV- using sniping tactic, .5 using it. So they are all lame ??? Hmm did know that.
Respect u enemy and u`ll get fun.
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Terradoct
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Posted - 2006.01.24 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: putukas Edited by: putukas on 24/01/2006 06:08:10 Its crazy when you see your right side of the screen full of green icons. You cant even move your ship for 5min.
It's your problem that you added 100+ ppl to your buddy list and ythat causing you to lag, not CCP, not RAT.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2006.01.24 06:27:00 -
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Lots of people use lame tactics.
Copying bookmarks, logon/logoff, jet can "Free loot" traps...
It's not the game's fault people suck.
Fix the holes with the game, people will behave more.
Until they find something new to exploit.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.24 06:48:00 -
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"Erm, Eve doesn't have ambush tactics, outside of logging out of the game. Logging off is the only method avaliable to the player for removing their indicators from local and the global map."
Sorry, but no. Logging off is merely easiest, but hardly only method. As is, for that matter, the whole "let's log in twice+ as many people as the enemy because we stand no chance beating them the other way" approach...
(local doesn't show people who aren't in the system. and map takes ~10-15 min to update, when it's not broken to begin with)
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.24 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
I'm not talking about you fighting [5]. I'm talking about you fighting ATUK, a corp. that you supposedly hated so much that you left RA to be able to shoot us while we were NAPed with RA at the time. How come you never, ever came to fight us? Scared?
I thought, we fought you in Detorid. You still needed to invite more your friends to fight us. But you`ve never been there. Seems, that you were to busy on forums
As for left RA. Personally I - have never been in RA. And most of RAT. core too. Try again.
Why we started to shoot you ? Not because of hate, but because ATUK is strong PvP corp, and we hoped to get good fights with you. It is very sad, that you are so cool on forums, but in-game still must outnumber us to fight.
As for scared. Too badly, that your kb admin didn`t save your killmail base of old killboard (five.killboard.net). I beleive, that we had better kill \ death score with you. And please, include, that we didn`t hide ourself behind meatshield from variuos corps Why should we scare you ?
Originally by: Metal Dude
And you might have not asked FE/PA/NBSI to come help you (I don't believe you) but they did. Don't you think that you could return the favor and come fight your most hated enemy to help out the people that laid it on the line to help you or do you just p1ss on the people that help you in their time of need?
I will decide by myself, when your corp deserve spanking from us
Originally by: Metal Dude
Yea, that's your way and that's why I don't like you. Let that be a lesson to all the people that are allied with you. You only use them for your benefit but when they need you, you ignore them and let them die. Nice allies you are.
If you trying to insult me - i don`t care.
Originally by: Metal Dude
Then again, I think you know that you have no chance against real PVP force like us, so you make up excuses not to fight us.
Check old killboard. I beleive that Dimensionz from RKK have this base saved. And then - open your mouth. Dude, you are man. In my country - man must always back up his words. If he wouldn`t - well... he isn`t man then. Don`t know, may be in USA ppl think otherwise.
And for REAL PvP force. You have 1 very good FC, you have about 10 - 20 old-core players, who can actually fight. Rest 350 ppl - are just grey mass, that you are using to make blob. And in my eyes - you, Metal Dude, belong to grey mass, since you are only post on forum how uber are your corp, and you, when your corpm8s fight, to prove it in-game.
Originally by: Metal Dude
Oh well, I guess we’ll have to come looking for you sooner or later. I wonder what excuse you’ll come up with when we do, but I’m sure you’ll come up with something.
I will decide, when RAT. come to you. Carefull what you wish, since when we visited you last time - you ran from your own home.
Originally by: Metal Dude
I hear Burn Eden is recruiting. It’s a perfect fit for your alts. You can even shoot your allies then, but that should not be much of a stretch for you.
Burn Eden are good. Reading all "hate" posts - i perfectly realise, that those guys are having great fun Be sure, that if i got tired in this game - i`ll place my app in UDIE (if they accept it ). ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =) |
Piqlet
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Posted - 2006.01.24 08:58:00 -
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OK, what are we discussing here, how BAD or GOOD RAT. are, or the lame RAT. logon tactics? About tactics, i'll try to explain what happened that night in 1v-li2 and whos tactics was lame :) It will be simple just coz it was my covert ops who opened jump field for TWO!!!!! dreads. Yes dear LD, we had no dreads in system before i opened cynosural. You can blame your scout who has NOT scanned system, when field was open, not our tactics. Tell me please, if you know that you have 2 enemy dreads in system, will you warp on your lone dread to attack em? Offcourse NOT!!! PLZ do not tell that we had 1 dread in logoff, it's only your thinking. Your allies didn't scanned system and our dreads warped out to lons SS where you can't scan em, it's simple too. Then 1 dread returned and started to attack POS, yes it was just ambush, you warped on Evil Thug and started to attack him. What happened then? You all can think yourself, or you think that 1 dread, lagged or not, can tank 2? And who is lame after that? -V- Scouts who not scanned system before attack, LD, who started attack without scouting info, or RAT. who used simple ambushing tactics? As for login, yes we logged in our fleet when LD entered in siege mode, but think about that, our main BS fleet wasn't in 1v-li2, almost all our BS were logged off in neighbour system q-k2t7. That is true story.
Plz sorry my bad english, need more practice i think
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OSughhi
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Posted - 2006.01.24 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug It`s quite funny to see posts, filled with anger. I think, i begin to understand guys from Burn Eden
I have a revelation why RAT ....
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.01.24 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Piqlet
Plz sorry my bad english, need more practice i think
No worry...Its easier to read you then Evil *hit in the head by truck in childhood* Thug.
Honestly...would read more of your then his posts. He is dirty old politician scumbag [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me". |
Pastora
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Posted - 2006.01.24 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: putukas ...heh i just remembered. one day in 1v we waited 3 hours with 50 pilot fleet for red to get their pilots together and show up. After 3 hours they came with 100+ pilots in their fleet.
Hahaha... To be be honest, I didn't expect it from you, putukas, but well if it makes you happy to believe your own lies, let it be.
As for the real numbers in the fight you have mentioned. There were only 55-60 RA and FF-A in local, then 50 -V- (as you say, and that included 5 dreads on your side, with none on our at that time), and the rest were -LV- and CHIMP.
Now, just turn your brain on. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants. |
Ramuh
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Posted - 2006.01.24 15:35:00 -
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Damn LD, I told you to stop loosing these things FFS!
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2006.01.24 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug ...I will decide, when RAT. come to you. Carefull what you wish, since when we visited you last time - you ran from your own home...
Promises, promises. Last time you said that, you ended up showing up after 2 months of promises in the middle of the night with 3 other alliances after we already moved out of the area, but I'll leave a light on for you if you ever decide to show up and we'll see who has a better base of PVPers. However, I won't hold my breath. I don't think you have the guts. And yea I'm definitely wishing for you to show up and fight our unskilled gray force for once.
The truth will set you free
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.24 16:03:00 -
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RAT are a fkin disgrace to this game, and they should do nothing but hide their faces in shame.
And shame on CCP for allowing this to happen.
Absolutely disgusting.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.01.24 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: putukas ...heh i just remembered. one day in 1v we waited 3 hours with 50 pilot fleet for red to get their pilots together and show up. After 3 hours they came with 100+ pilots in their fleet.
Hahaha... To be be honest, I didn't expect it from you, putukas, but well if it makes you happy to believe your own lies, let it be.
As for the real numbers in the fight you have mentioned. There were only 55-60 RA and FF-A in local, then 50 -V- (as you say, and that included 5 dreads on your side, with none on our at that time), and the rest were -LV- and CHIMP.
Now, just turn your brain on.
Well I was there, and think you need to believe your own lies tbqh.
Firstly LV and CHIMP werent their untill 2 hours AFTER the main battle had started, and as for you having the same numbers, we have it frapsed, and you can blatently see your blob is HUGE compared to ours, you had in the number of 100 ships, with french force alliance, imp and various other friends, we were just -V- for the first 2 hours of fighting.
Oh and you cant even get the dread number right, we had 4.
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Auman
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Posted - 2006.01.24 17:20:00 -
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Log in tactics are for people who aren't very good at Eve...
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Toyal Wiulaz
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Posted - 2006.01.24 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ RAT are a fkin disgrace to this game, and they should do nothing but hide their faces in shame.
And shame on CCP for allowing this to happen.
Absolutely disgusting.
and you should stfu and read before talking dude. Everyone are saying "log in / log off TRAP". If you find that lame please remove the word "trap" or stop whinning.
I'm pretty sure every alliance is using lame tactics, whatever it can be.
GJ R.A.T. Keep pi$$sing them off. That's make me laugh ----------------------------------------- I speak QC tabarnak! QC 4tw! :) |
Freya Selene
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Posted - 2006.01.24 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vashi Dokumentu
Originally by: Freya Selene
Sniper at max range. Use lame tactics. Brag on how good you are when your sniping a shuttle with 6 battleships.
Freya Selene.
So u wanna tell me and other people over here, what i`m lame cuz i`m sniping ??
A lot of people know me, -LV- guys been trying to get rid of me for 1 week in they home system ;-)) (hi Velios, and others), and i been killing them, they taklers, indys and even 1 BS - BUT i all the time was alone.
-LV- using sniping tactic, .5 using it. So they are all lame ??? Hmm did know that.
Respect u enemy and u`ll get fun.
Let me teach you understanding lines.
Sniper at max range. (DOT) Use lame tactics. (DOT) Brag on how good you are when your sniping a shuttle with 6 battleships. (DOT)
That means they are difrent statement and dont belong in the same sentence. So i ment only RED (RAT included, they the same bunch) and not everyone that uses sniping.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.01.24 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: putukas ...heh i just remembered. one day in 1v we waited 3 hours with 50 pilot fleet for red to get their pilots together and show up. After 3 hours they came with 100+ pilots in their fleet.
Hahaha... To be be honest, I didn't expect it from you, putukas, but well if it makes you happy to believe your own lies, let it be.
As for the real numbers in the fight you have mentioned. There were only 55-60 RA and FF-A in local, then 50 -V- (as you say, and that included 5 dreads on your side, with none on our at that time), and the rest were -LV- and CHIMP.
Now, just turn your brain on.
It's amusing to see you argue about numbers when you even have the basic dread number wrong
But yeah, it is true that RA and FF-A jumped in initially with about 60-65. Our local was steady at 50 up until then. That said, you had 100 peeps in C-J6 about half an hour earlier.
What happened to those missing 30-40? I can only assume that part of those jumped in after your main fleet, based on the 57 shipkills (not including pods) as archived in our fleet analyzer. It also shows 108 involved RA ships (minus a few pilots who got podded twice) vs 58 involved -V- and friends.
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Freya Selene
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Posted - 2006.01.24 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Aeon Yakati
Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: putukas ...heh i just remembered. one day in 1v we waited 3 hours with 50 pilot fleet for red to get their pilots together and show up. After 3 hours they came with 100+ pilots in their fleet.
Hahaha... To be be honest, I didn't expect it from you, putukas, but well if it makes you happy to believe your own lies, let it be.
As for the real numbers in the fight you have mentioned. There were only 55-60 RA and FF-A in local, then 50 -V- (as you say, and that included 5 dreads on your side, with none on our at that time), and the rest were -LV- and CHIMP.
Now, just turn your brain on.
It's amusing to see you argue about numbers when you even have the basic dread number wrong
But yeah, it is true that RA and FF-A jumped in initially with about 60-65. Our local was steady at 50 up until then. That said, you had 100 peeps in C-J6 about half an hour earlier.
What happened to those missing 30-40? I can only assume that part of those jumped in after your main fleet, based on the 57 shipkills (not including pods) as archived in our fleet analyzer. It also shows 108 involved RA ships (minus a few pilots who got podded twice) vs 58 involved -V- and friends.
LOL!
Not intirly correct
I just noticed the CHIMPS and LV in the RED fleet !!
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.01.24 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Freya Selene Not intirly correct
I just noticed the CHIMPS and LV in the RED fleet !!
That's what you get for letting nubs create the reports :P
Just did a recount, substract about 18 pilots from RA's side and add 18 to ours. Then we were still outnumbered by 90 vs 76, during the whole fight. Not saying it's spectacular in any way, just correcting the other guy :)
Oh, and check the dread's kills. They really didn't do more damage than the average BS.
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Freya Selene
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Posted - 2006.01.24 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Freya Selene on 24/01/2006 22:25:00
Originally by: Aeon Yakati
That's what you get for letting nubs create the reports :P
It wasnt me!
//edit: typo
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.24 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: Trepkos Seeing that one person has lost three dreads, I fear the dreadnaughts' novelty is starting to wear off.
Give or take a few monthes and everyone in EVE will be flying one, and losing them for being noobish.
Hope you werent implying losing a Dread to a log in trap is n00bish?
One? No. Three? Yes.
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