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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9222
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:08:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:How does a 2004 character not understand how bad this idea is????
ebay Twitter: @EVEAndski
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My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:18:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:How does a 2004 character not understand how bad this idea is???? ebay
if you think that report me and with anyluck you ll get a few days ban for wasting there time
in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
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Winchester Steele
131
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:23:00 -
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My Dream wrote:and still i wait for a better idea to punish scammers
We could force them to read your shitposting in this awful thread? ... |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4229
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:24:00 -
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My Dream wrote:in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
What, were people throwing themselves at you trying to give you money and you had to dodge?
I don't understand why you'd feel pride in making a choice that takes no effort or sacrifice whatsoever to make. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:27:00 -
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I'm starting to feel bad for you, My Dream. I can arrange a gank but will need upfront payment to cover ship loss and sec/standings hit. Convo me in game to discuss terms. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14197
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:28:00 -
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My Dream wrote: in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:31:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote: in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language.
and still the personal insults flow |
My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:32:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:My Dream wrote:in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off What, were people throwing themselves at you trying to give you money and you had to dodge? I don't understand why you'd feel pride in making a choice that takes no effort or sacrifice whatsoever to make.
makes me feel better than you |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14197
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:32:00 -
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My Dream wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote: in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language. and still the personal insults flow Nothing personal about it, if you're going to murder a language, at least do it properly. I can't write in Spanish French or German for toffee, but at least I try and follow basic grammar and punctuation when I murder them. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:34:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote: in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language. and still the personal insults flow Nothing personal about it, if you're going to murder a language, at least do it properly.
im not writing an essay |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14197
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:35:00 -
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My Dream wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote: in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language. and still the personal insults flow Nothing personal about it, if you're going to murder a language, at least do it properly. im not writing an essay But you do expect to be taken seriously?
I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:36:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:My Dream wrote:and still i wait for a better idea to punish scammers We could force them to read your shitposting in this awful thread?
post with your main
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3462
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:37:00 -
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This idea is certainly not tenable.
However, it would be nice if there was an ebay-styled reputation system in the market/contract system.
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Kalishka Askulf
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
65
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:58:00 -
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My Dream wrote:we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee
Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered) this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is
it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way
Clean up your own mess! Betty White knows it |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2668
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:04:00 -
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I actually agree there should be a means to go after gankers. And frankly, there sort of is: You can put bounties, higher mercs, go suicde gank them, hunt them, out them on the forums, setup blacklists, and more.
The problem is, it is often hard to tell who the scammer really is, as you can easily run the scam on an alt and transfer the isk to your main guy.
As such, I proposed "Industrial, financial, and market analysis agents" to trace the isk back to the source, and thereby give you a proper target to attack!!!
Think locator agents that tell you where the money goes.... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9223
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:09:00 -
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Have you actually considered what would happen if that idea were implemented? That makes catching spies as simple as a few agent requests. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2668
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:Have you actually considered what would happen if that idea were implemented? That makes catching spies as simple as a few agent requests.
Like you can't run API's to monitor isk transfers already? And techniques that avoid the API would generally avoid these agents too. |
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
75
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:14:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:I actually agree there should be a means to go after gankers. And frankly, there sort of is: You can put bounties, higher mercs, go suicde gank them, hunt them, out them on the forums, setup blacklists, and more. The problem is, it is often hard to tell who the scammer really is, as you can easily run the scam on an alt and transfer the isk to your main guy. As such, I proposed " Industrial, financial, and market analysis agents" to trace the isk back to the source, and thereby give you a proper target to attack!!! Think locator agents that tell you where the money goes....
I would think the potential for bad data would be huge... how do you (or your agents) tell the difference between Mr. Scamalot transferring 100m ISK to his main and Mr. Scamalot giving 100m ISK to another player who has no idea of the source and is an innocent party?
There's a reason most countries acknowledge the difference between being an active participant in financial crime (being a fence, actively money-laundering) and happening to have tainted cash via legitimate means (selling your car for a fair price to a guy who robbed a bank).
'Follow the money' only works as long as you are also able to investigate intent and knowledge ... which is what real life investigators do and an in-game coded agent inherently cannot. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2668
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:23:00 -
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Elliavir wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:I actually agree there should be a means to go after gankers. And frankly, there sort of is: You can put bounties, higher mercs, go suicde gank them, hunt them, out them on the forums, setup blacklists, and more. The problem is, it is often hard to tell who the scammer really is, as you can easily run the scam on an alt and transfer the isk to your main guy. As such, I proposed " Industrial, financial, and market analysis agents" to trace the isk back to the source, and thereby give you a proper target to attack!!! Think locator agents that tell you where the money goes.... I would think the potential for bad data would be huge... how do you (or your agents) tell the difference between Mr. Scamalot transferring 100m ISK to his main and Mr. Scamalot giving 100m ISK to another player who has no idea of the source and is an innocent party? There's a reason most countries acknowledge the difference between being an active participant in financial crime (being a fence, actively money-laundering) and happening to have tainted cash via legitimate means (selling your car for a fair price to a guy who robbed a bank). 'Follow the money' only works as long as you are also able to investigate intent and knowledge ... which is what real life investigators do and an in-game coded agent inherently cannot. Edit - And I'd also prefer my virtual reality not be a dystopia where I have literally no privacy. I live in the US - I have enough of that in my real life, thanks.
Repetitiveness and Amounts would be an indication of purpose. And the idea of someone misunderstanding the information and taking their vengeance out on a third party is priceless!
Also, I agree some limitations would be appropriate, I'm just not certain where that line should be drawn. Furthermore, in-space swapping, and the like would still provide untraceable movement of isk if you really desire that.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3334
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:25:00 -
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My Dream wrote:stuns me the amount of people who fully endorse un ethical isk making . the game prides its self on realism yet we have noway to punish perpitrators of a criminal act and it is criminal by any yard stick You actually shouldn't be too surprised... given that the game is largely centered around being futuristic dystopia where the Wild West meets libertarian's wet dream... with everyone having the potential to become Ghenghis Khan they are so inclined. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
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Haulie Berry
1118
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:31:00 -
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How has this obvious troll thread not been locked? |
Winchester Steele
133
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:05:00 -
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My Dream wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:My Dream wrote:and still i wait for a better idea to punish scammers We could force them to read your shitposting in this awful thread? post with your main
Ummm.... Ok.. Here, posted with my main. Any more requests? ... |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4229
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:22:00 -
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My Dream wrote:RubyPorto wrote:My Dream wrote:in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off What, were people throwing themselves at you trying to give you money and you had to dodge? I don't understand why you'd feel pride in making a choice that takes no effort or sacrifice whatsoever to make. makes me feel better than you
My Dream wrote:and still the personal insults flow
From the mouths of babes.
Also, moral superiority based on legal actions in a game? I understand feeling superior for not breaking the ruled (i.e. cheating), but feeling morally superior for not castling? "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech Masters of Flying Objects
83
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:10:00 -
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You want a game mechanic (for which there already are) to beat up on scammers because it is 'risk free isk making'?
'Trading on the market' is on the phone and would like to talk to you. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1235
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:33:00 -
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Clearly the community has spoken and decided this is a terrible idea. It doesn't make you a bad person of course. I would like to address a few things.
Clearly the OP was scammed and is upset. No, no one checked your posts to research it as you suggest they do because that's just a waste of time. I suspect it was for more than 1b isk because of how upset you are that you created a forum thread about it and insist that there must be some way to get back at this person. Nevermind that Eve has ads that say "be the villain."
As many have posted, you have all sorts of remedies already available such as ganking them, hiring mercs, etc.
The bounty mechanic sounds nice but simply isn't used much for the bounty itself. Bounties claimed are mainly just nice bonuses for shooting at someone anyway. Take me, for instance. As most people know, I do not scam. My bounty is from tips from satisfied clients. I have never had anyone try to gank me for my bounty. Sure, I have lost ships, but those losses were from war, ganking illegal miners, or playing around in low and null. I undock regularly with my bounty, and it isn't an issue.
To give us a more complete picture, I'd like for the op to detail what exactly happened to him that made him so mad. We all know that he freely gave isk or assets to another party of his own choosing. But what was the context? See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4229
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Posted - 2013.10.04 05:52:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:How has this obvious troll thread not been locked?
*Gasp*Troll on the Forums
Troll! on the forums
...Thought you ought to know... *Thud* "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Scoota 2
ANZAC ALLIANCE Against ALL Authorities
2
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Posted - 2013.10.04 06:42:00 -
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The biggest problem with your idea is that it has a high potential to create false positives.
In RL, if you came up with a solution to get rid of drug crime that had 90% success rate, and 10% of people that are falsely killed by police, it would be considered unacceptable. Every life is considered sacred, and thus the police have to hold that to the highest standard.
Although that analogy isn't 100% fitting to concord, the same theory holds true, especially when you look at it from ccp's point, a mechanic they make that creates false positives at all is a poorly designed mechanic, they don't want people rage quitting over a system they made that "got it wrong". In RL the police get it wrong, and people blame god, in eve ccp are pretty much the god's of eve.
So who is everyone going to blame in the end? How can people know the difference between right and wrong, it's like Russian roulette in space |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15565
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Posted - 2013.10.04 07:53:00 -
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My Dream wrote:he should be punished because he has gained isk in an unethical way if the game is going to pride its self on being a realistic sandbox that does not equal chaoes . the planet earth is argueably just a massiive sandbox but it has rules of law to maintain peace and order try scamm on the planet earth as a business you ill get fined by a regulater or worse case thrown in jail .
you cant have it one way and not another if your going to create a game to be as realistic as possible . eve in many ways is pretty much a simulator you gotta have realistic punishment to for misbehavour and in any civilised society be it virtual scamming is a unethical act
its unbalanced that there is indeed tools to scam but none to protect yourself apart from your own keen eye fairs fair the tools are there to scam wheres mine to get payback
Do you then have an issue with those that practice regicide in chess? After all, murder is very unethical and following your logic, you should be able to stop them winning.
But back to the point, you already have options. The main one being not to fall for them in the first place. All most every scam, relies upon the victim thinking they are going to make ISK. If you're so willing to rush into an investment without gaining enough information first, then that's your fault.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
My Dream
Albion Scientific Projects
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 10:58:00 -
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i really dont think any of you have grasped where im coming from
maybe my idea is not the best and thats fine to criticise put forward a better one and i will listen
i also have no problem with scams existing . i think i have made it clear i dont like them but whatever
the crutch of the problem is theres no way to get your own back against the said scammers thats truely effective they are like the untouchables of eve . no risk . lots of reward and that goes against everything i have believed up till now eve stands for .
it does not matter how much time invested to create a good scam takes . the fact there are no tools in game to effectivley hurt them back is BS
anyway im done with the thread i have failed to convince enough people that a risk free money maker is bad . i also have come to the conclusion that many are stealing money from noobs to fund there mains and those mains are members of alliances that most likely encourage it .
Eve is rotten to the core
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
50
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Posted - 2013.10.04 11:05:00 -
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OP heres a little secret. Good scams are NOT risk free. the only scams that are close to risk free are the terrible ones that average 1 hit a month. If you got scammed by a Plex scam or something you deserved to lose |
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