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Hezron Iserles
Star Task Force Innovations
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Posted - 2013.10.04 00:44:00 -
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I have been buying this ship for some time now and tracking it very close because for being a special edition ship it has a high demand level, so I think is very valuable and as we all know supplies are limited so its a good ship to buy and hold. Right now thou I just noticed that the Jita price jumped a lot very suddenly, something like a 13% increase in one day. Something interesting to notice about this is that if you look at the chart the volume is not really abnormal for the day, I would say that the trading volume is actually below that average for the past three months. Another thing to notice is the low amount of the ships on the offering list compared to the bid amount, and also compared to the daily volume. I truly believe that these ships will be selling for over 100 million very soon, maybe in a week or two, it should definitely at least be here in a month.
So my point is that everyone should buy what they can, at least one or two. You might ask yourself "Well then if you are so sure about this why don't you just keep it to yourself and buy more, all you can?" Well the truth is that I already have over 5 billion isk tied to this ship, 80 of them to be exact, and I shouldn't buy so many more, I need to keep cash in had to keep my production cycles going so I'm limited right now, If I had some extra cash I would try to buy a heck of a lot more, but now I'm pretty much maxed out, maybe will get a few more from my bids, but I don't know because many people will start to notice about this soon. To be honest I would like to see the price increase sooner rather than later, don't we all? I could use the cash I have on those ships to make other stuff but I have been waiting for three months and I don't want to sell now that its starting to go up. I hope that all of you see what I mean and can ride the uptrend with a profit. |
Tavi Baldocchi
Blue Sun Industry The Explicit Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:35:00 -
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Hmmm I'm am new to trading but to me it looks like you are trying to increase the demand for the those, which in itself would raise the price... right?
Edit: by the looks of the post under me I think my assumptions are right. |
Tesal
305
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:36:00 -
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Hezron Iserles wrote:I have been buying this ship for some time now and tracking it very close because for being a special edition ship it has a high demand level, so I think is very valuable and as we all know supplies are limited so its a good ship to buy and hold. Right now thou I just noticed that the Jita price jumped a lot very suddenly, something like a 13% increase in one day. Something interesting to notice about this is that if you look at the chart the volume is not really abnormal for the day, I would say that the trading volume is actually below that average for the past three months. Another thing to notice is the low amount of the ships on the offering list compared to the bid amount, and also compared to the daily volume. I truly believe that these ships will be selling for over 100 million very soon, maybe in a week or two, it should definitely at least be here in a month.
So my point is that everyone should buy what they can, at least one or two. You might ask yourself "Well then if you are so sure about this why don't you just keep it to yourself and buy more, all you can?" Well the truth is that I already have over 5 billion isk tied to this ship, 80 of them to be exact, and I shouldn't buy so many more, I need to keep cash in had to keep my production cycles going so I'm limited right now, If I had some extra cash I would try to buy a heck of a lot more, but now I'm pretty much maxed out, maybe will get a few more from my bids, but I don't know because many people will start to notice about this soon. To be honest I would like to see the price increase sooner rather than later, don't we all? I could use the cash I have on those ships to make other stuff but I have been waiting for three months and I don't want to sell now that its starting to go up. I hope that all of you see what I mean and can ride the uptrend with a profit.
I have a huge stock of ships. No more can be made. Please buy them all at inflated prices so I can be space rich. Buy now. Next week I will have billions if someone buys all my ships. I am not an idiot. Please listen to my ramblings and make me rich. |
Hezron Iserles
Star Task Force Innovations
5
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Posted - 2013.10.04 02:18:00 -
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Tesal wrote:I have a huge stock of ships. No more can be made. Please buy them all at inflated prices so I can be space rich. Buy now. Next week I will have billions if someone buys all my ships. I am not an idiot. Please listen to my ramblings and make me rich. You sound so ridiculous, how can you just say that? First of all these ships are not produced, they are limited edition ships that where given by CCP. Second, this is not a rambling to make me rich, I'm just pointing out an obvious trend that will continue no matter how many times I or anyone else talks about. If the price goes to 100 million it will not make me so much money, its just a target I have and thats all. The price will continue to go up, off course as I said I would like the price to go up sooner rather than later, so yes I did post about this because I want people to buy a few and create some demand which would act as a catalyst so that I could sell just a little sooner, but thats about the only reason somebody would share a market opportunity on this forum. The thing is that the price is and will not be inflated, the ships will go up because they are limited edition, and whoever buys now or has been buying like me will eventually make a good buck. So please be a little more reasonable and if you don't like what is being said and pointed out then please don't act like a little ignorant kid trying to just make others sound bad. In conclusion, don't be an ahole, have a little more consideration and respect for everyone else and the world should be better. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Compulsory Euthanasia
897
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:27:00 -
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Of course this thread is an intervention into the market. Nothing wrong with that.
I did a lot of similar interventions into the market for tech 2 armor plates when they were rebalanced.
I have exactly one Gnosis between my accounts and intend to keep it that way. The ship serves little purpose, except as a ship for low-skilled AWOX alts and/or as a shield tanked hauling ship that noone usually even bothers to cargo scan let alone gank. As such few are destroyed and the present stock will last some time. Miner euthanization expert. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. |
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
14
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:30:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Of course this thread is an intervention into the market. Nothing wrong with that.
I did a lot of similar interventions into the market for tech 2 armor plates when they were rebalanced.
I have exactly one Gnosis between my accounts and intend to keep it that way. The ship serves little purpose, except as a ship for low-skilled AWOX alts and/or as a shield tanked hauling ship that noone usually even bothers to cargo scan let alone gank. As such few are destroyed and the present stock will last some time.
Time for Gnosisgeddon? Where are goons when you need them |
Sabriz Adoudel
Compulsory Euthanasia
897
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Posted - 2013.10.04 05:22:00 -
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Tigerras wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Of course this thread is an intervention into the market. Nothing wrong with that.
I did a lot of similar interventions into the market for tech 2 armor plates when they were rebalanced.
I have exactly one Gnosis between my accounts and intend to keep it that way. The ship serves little purpose, except as a ship for low-skilled AWOX alts and/or as a shield tanked hauling ship that noone usually even bothers to cargo scan let alone gank. As such few are destroyed and the present stock will last some time. Time for Gnosisgeddon? Where are goons when you need them
It's not only Goonswarm that are allowed to carry out ganks, you know?
I'm a ganker, and have no affiliation to Goonswarm at all. Miner euthanization expert. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. |
Setsune Rin
Bite Me inc Bitten.
96
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Posted - 2013.10.04 07:28:00 -
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do you have to write such walls of text about mundane and obvious things like this?
at least paragraph for crying out loud. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
80
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Posted - 2013.10.04 14:46:00 -
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Is there any word on the Collector's Edition preorders, 10k? 100k? Ten times that amount of Gnosis will be available then to be built when they deliver the BPCs. .
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Hezron Iserles
Star Task Force Innovations
5
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Posted - 2013.10.04 21:42:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Is there any word on the Collector's Edition purchases, 10k? 100k? Ten times that amount of Gnosis will be available then to be built when they deliver the BPCs. And when will that be? Do you have any idea? I didn't know about this. |
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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
881
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Posted - 2013.10.05 00:46:00 -
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Tigerras wrote:
Time for Gnosisgeddon? Where are goons when you need them
Got bored, went home... playing GTA... alot.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
15
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Posted - 2013.10.05 01:58:00 -
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Hezron Iserles wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Is there any word on the Collector's Edition purchases, 10k? 100k? Ten times that amount of Gnosis will be available then to be built when they deliver the BPCs. And when will that be? Do you have any idea? I didn't know about this.
Translation: CRAP CRAP CRAP GOTTA DUMP MY STOCK SOON |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
206
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:10:00 -
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It's a great BC for Gurista trained pilots.
Only BC with Missile / Drone / Shield option.
It's only other purpose is high sec exploration sites that allow BC size ships. |
Treo 'Ssard
Hangar 55
32
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:27:00 -
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Hezron Iserles wrote:Tesal wrote:I have a huge stock of ships. No more can be made. Please buy them all at inflated prices so I can be space rich. Buy now. Next week I will have billions if someone buys all my ships. I am not an idiot. Please listen to my ramblings and make me rich. You sound so ridiculous, how can you just say that? First of all these ships are not produced, they are limited edition ships that where given by CCP. Second, this is not a rambling to make me rich, I'm just pointing out an obvious trend that will continue no matter how many times I or anyone else talks about. If the price goes to 100 million it will not make me so much money, its just a target I have and thats all. The price will continue to go up, off course as I said I would like the price to go up sooner rather than later, so yes I did post about this because I want people to buy a few and create some demand which would act as a catalyst so that I could sell just a little sooner, but thats about the only reason somebody would share a market opportunity on this forum. The thing is that the price is and will not be inflated, the ships will go up because they are limited edition, and whoever buys now or has been buying like me will eventually make a good buck. So please be a little more reasonable and if you don't like what is being said and pointed out then please don't act like a little ignorant kid trying to just make others sound bad. In conclusion, don't be an ahole, have a little more consideration and respect for everyone else and the world should be better.
Don't knock her for providing a TL;DR. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
51
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:34:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Is there any word on the Collector's Edition purchases, 10k? 100k? Ten times that amount of Gnosis will be available then to be built when they deliver the BPCs.
One 5 run Gnosis BPC per Collectors Edition Boxset. Will arrive shortly after 24th October which isn't far away now. Judging by the amounts of pilots wearing one or two tattoo sleeves already there will be a lot of Collectors Boxsets sold.
The obvious action for the OP is to stop stockpiling and sell as many of the Gnosis he has as possible now. By the end of the month they will be selling for a quarter or less of the current price. |
Hezron Iserles
Star Task Force Innovations
5
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Posted - 2013.10.06 13:25:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Is there any word on the Collector's Edition purchases, 10k? 100k? Ten times that amount of Gnosis will be available then to be built when they deliver the BPCs. One 5 run Gnosis BPC per Collectors Edition Boxset. Will arrive shortly after 24th October which isn't far away now. Judging by the amounts of pilots wearing one or two tattoo sleeves already there will be a lot of Collectors Boxsets sold. The obvious action for the OP is to stop stockpiling and sell as many of the Gnosis he has as possible now. By the end of the month they will be selling for a quarter or less of the current price. A quarter? No way, can't be, this ship is not that bad, and it cant be so low in cost, I mean is there something I can compare this with? This ship is much better than a Caracal right? And those cost over 40 mil to make, this Gnosis has to cost at least 60 mil to make. |
Logical Chaos
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
62
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Posted - 2013.10.06 14:32:00 -
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Hezron Iserles wrote:Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Is there any word on the Collector's Edition purchases, 10k? 100k? Ten times that amount of Gnosis will be available then to be built when they deliver the BPCs. One 5 run Gnosis BPC per Collectors Edition Boxset. Will arrive shortly after 24th October which isn't far away now. Judging by the amounts of pilots wearing one or two tattoo sleeves already there will be a lot of Collectors Boxsets sold. The obvious action for the OP is to stop stockpiling and sell as many of the Gnosis he has as possible now. By the end of the month they will be selling for a quarter or less of the current price. A quarter? No way, can't be, this ship is not that bad, and it cant be so low in cost, I mean is there something I can compare this with? This ship is much better than a Caracal right? And those cost over 40 mil to make, this Gnosis has to cost at least 60 mil to make.
You mean 10 mil per Caracal, right? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4373
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:30:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Is there any word on the Collector's Edition purchases, 10k? 100k? Ten times that amount of Gnosis will be available then to be built when they deliver the BPCs. One 5 run Gnosis BPC per Collectors Edition Boxset. Will arrive shortly after 24th October which isn't far away now. Judging by the amounts of pilots wearing one or two tattoo sleeves already there will be a lot of Collectors Boxsets sold. The obvious action for the OP is to stop stockpiling and sell as many of the Gnosis he has as possible now. By the end of the month they will be selling for a quarter or less of the current price.
I love this reverse psichology
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Hezron Iserles
Star Task Force Innovations
5
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:01:00 -
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Logical Chaos wrote:Hezron Iserles wrote:Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Is there any word on the Collector's Edition purchases, 10k? 100k? Ten times that amount of Gnosis will be available then to be built when they deliver the BPCs. One 5 run Gnosis BPC per Collectors Edition Boxset. Will arrive shortly after 24th October which isn't far away now. Judging by the amounts of pilots wearing one or two tattoo sleeves already there will be a lot of Collectors Boxsets sold. The obvious action for the OP is to stop stockpiling and sell as many of the Gnosis he has as possible now. By the end of the month they will be selling for a quarter or less of the current price. A quarter? No way, can't be, this ship is not that bad, and it cant be so low in cost, I mean is there something I can compare this with? This ship is much better than a Caracal right? And those cost over 40 mil to make, this Gnosis has to cost at least 60 mil to make. You mean 10 mil per Caracal, right? True, I confused Caracals with Ferox and Cyclones, but still I think this ship is better than those two even thou I'm not a pvp guy. |
Hezron Iserles
Star Task Force Innovations
5
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:02:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Is there any word on the Collector's Edition purchases, 10k? 100k? Ten times that amount of Gnosis will be available then to be built when they deliver the BPCs. One 5 run Gnosis BPC per Collectors Edition Boxset. Will arrive shortly after 24th October which isn't far away now. Judging by the amounts of pilots wearing one or two tattoo sleeves already there will be a lot of Collectors Boxsets sold. The obvious action for the OP is to stop stockpiling and sell as many of the Gnosis he has as possible now. By the end of the month they will be selling for a quarter or less of the current price. I love this reverse psichology OP comes to lolmanipulate and people make him pee his pants and panic dump Yeah I know, I would be laughing if it weren't me because now I really don't know, yikes. I hope it stays where it is because I can't just sell like that. |
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1489
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Posted - 2013.10.08 15:40:00 -
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Hezron Iserles wrote:Yeah I know, I would be laughing if it weren't me because now I really don't know, yikes. I hope it stays where it is because I can't just sell like that. assuming the ship will not be changed and CCP doesn't decide to throw some more at us on christmas or some other occasion, i expect the prices to rise back to ~80mil by december 2014.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
793
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Posted - 2013.10.08 15:59:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Tigerras wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Of course this thread is an intervention into the market. Nothing wrong with that.
I did a lot of similar interventions into the market for tech 2 armor plates when they were rebalanced.
I have exactly one Gnosis between my accounts and intend to keep it that way. The ship serves little purpose, except as a ship for low-skilled AWOX alts and/or as a shield tanked hauling ship that noone usually even bothers to cargo scan let alone gank. As such few are destroyed and the present stock will last some time. Time for Gnosisgeddon? Where are goons when you need them It's not only Goonswarm that are allowed to carry out ganks, you know? I'm a ganker, and have no affiliation to Goonswarm at all. ok. now get back to work you lazy bastard!
we're awaiting for Gnosii price jump! |
Grandma Squirel
46
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Posted - 2013.10.10 05:07:00 -
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The Gnosis is still a mediocre ship, it is not used in PvP outside of novelty purposes, and its not good of PvE if your character has the skills to fly any of a number of better ships. Then there is tons of supply, and more coming. |
Mossyblog Barnes
RIAGENIC
0
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Posted - 2013.10.19 04:17:00 -
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I dont know where you're getting your data from but historically speaking in the last 6months the price of Gnosis has been declining which would probably indicate demand has dropped. 6months ago the average was around 76m ISK today its roughly 56m ISK and in some low/null sec areas can get lower.
Last night I bought 2x for 57m ISK. |
Royal Commandos
Oh Derp
1
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Posted - 2013.10.19 08:34:00 -
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Keep ships until it's gonna be last ships in eve you have (Might be not possible but still try it) and sell for huge profit. Since this ship can't be manufactured by Bears they are not included into this market, I believe you did wise investment but you'll need patience :)
Mossyblog Barnes wrote:I dont know where you're getting your data from but historically speaking in the last 6months the price of Gnosis has been declining which would probably indicate demand has dropped. 6months ago the average was around 76m ISK today its roughly 56m ISK and in some low/null sec areas can get lower.
Last night I bought 2x for 57m ISK. I highly believe that downward trend of this ship will be temporary, mabe more people thought to get rid of this ship but in the end Bulls will win for the same reason I mentioned, no bears manufacturers, just more people decided to get rid of this ship. |
Royal Commandos
Oh Derp
1
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Posted - 2013.10.19 08:46:00 -
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As far as I can see there is Bearish Trend going for long time period, Bullish trends are temporary unless you are scalper you should get rid of these ships.
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Mossyblog Barnes
RIAGENIC
0
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:41:00 -
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I am still skeptical but I don't have enough data to disagree so owning a few just in case is probably a wise investment to be on the safe side |
Hezron Iserles
Star Task Force Innovations
6
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:47:00 -
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Royal Commandos wrote:As far as I can see there is Bearish Trend going for long time period, Bullish trends are temporary unless you are scalper you should get rid of these ships.
Yeah I finally got rid of them, lost like 800 mil on this. I will never speculate again until next week when I have more extra cash and am not sure what to do with it. |
Dicnar
Planeteers INFINITY.
3
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:57:00 -
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My guess is price rise will come, sooner or later, have patience |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1404
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Posted - 2013.10.24 10:36:00 -
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Hezron Iserles wrote:Tesal wrote:I have a huge stock of ships. No more can be made. Please buy them all at inflated prices so I can be space rich. Buy now. Next week I will have billions if someone buys all my ships. I am not an idiot. Please listen to my ramblings and make me rich. You sound so ridiculous, how can you just say that? First of all these ships are not produced, they are limited edition ships that where given by CCP. Second, this is not a rambling to make me rich, I'm just pointing out an obvious trend that will continue no matter how many times I or anyone else talks about. If the price goes to 100 million it will not make me so much money, its just a target I have and thats all. The price will continue to go up, off course as I said I would like the price to go up sooner rather than later, so yes I did post about this because I want people to buy a few and create some demand which would act as a catalyst so that I could sell just a little sooner, but thats about the only reason somebody would share a market opportunity on this forum. The thing is that the price is and will not be inflated, the ships will go up because they are limited edition, and whoever buys now or has been buying like me will eventually make a good buck. So please be a little more reasonable and if you don't like what is being said and pointed out then please don't act like a little ignorant kid trying to just make others sound bad. In conclusion, don't be an ahole, have a little more consideration and respect for everyone else and the world should be better. I really don't know where you get your info from guy, but you are way off. The Gnosis is one of the worst investments there is going.
I mean think about it. Most of the special ed ships, excluding the ultra rares, decline in price. As an example, look at the likes of the Quafe Iteron (or miasmos i think it is now). Over time it's declined. This is the same for all of the standard "limited editions". Then consider that those other limited ed ships required you to do something. The Gnosis didn't, the Gnosis was handed to every active account. That means the volume of them within the market is considerably higher. Since they are limited edition, most people don't fly them, so you can't even rely on them getting killed enough to raise the price.
I got 8 for my accounts, and sold 7 of them. I sold mine to bad marketeers on day 1, for between 300m and 450m a piece. That's pretty much what you should have done to get a good investment. I think hoping that these go about 70m solidly within the next few years is really unrealistic. as for 100m, unless the BPCs show their mineral price at over 100m (should be about 50m being a battlecruiser) they are unlikely to ever get that high. Consider how far you could have got your 5b if you'd invested in something else. I can think of at least 100 different ways to push a 10% guaranteed margin in under a week.
In short, the Gnosis is a terrible investment, with a low return over a long period of time. The isk would be better invested elsewhere with a higher return over a shorter time period. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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