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Vatos Amigo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.04 20:27:00 -
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So here is a general question.
So far I'm fully skilled in T3 ship legion. Armor is excellent and dps is decent.
However I came to notice with one of my mates that fly's a A protues and I can tell you he has great amount of dps And armor. For sure a hard nut to crack. The guy fights 1v5 And most fly away from him because they can't destroy him. He is a 2012 char with of course slave set that makes a difference But really is the protues number 1 pvp ship of all T3's?
Should I be looking to skill for it? Can anyone give me the pros and cons of all T3 cruisers?
1v5 is damn good to me in my books with full confidence in his ability And ship he is flying. So is it because the protues a real gods creation In eve? Or am I missing something?
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.10.04 20:35:00 -
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Hi,
I've moved your post to the more appropriate location.
Thanks! ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
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Posted - 2013.10.04 20:42:00 -
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Ok, I'll bite on this one. This reddit is packed with informational goodness. Most of the research I've found puts Tengu generally in first place, followed by Loki and Proteus tied for second, but then there's always the question of what you want to use it for. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Vatos Amigo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.04 20:54:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote:Ok, I'll bite on this one. This reddit is packed with informational goodness. Most of the research I've found puts Tengu generally in first place, followed by Loki and Proteus tied for second, but then there's always the question of what you want to use it for.
I just read what you sent me but it's not saying much about legions. I'm looking for answers for pvp. So far I see most of my mates use protues For pvp.
So I'm confused to know if i should train a protues or stay focused on my legion. Love amarr ships but again i want the best on the field for best tank/dps/speed-agility.. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
86
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Posted - 2013.10.04 21:00:00 -
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Proteus has the reputation to be thin-skinned, at least by comparison to the Tengu. Most of what I'm reading simply says pass the Legion by - that it's not only in last place, but last place by far for many reasons. Less DPS, capacitor problems, lack of "oh, wow!" subsystems, etc. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
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Posted - 2013.10.04 21:01:00 -
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Oh, and I've just built a Proteus on Sisi, so I'll be able to tell you a whole lot more in a day or two. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
86
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Posted - 2013.10.04 21:29:00 -
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Lastly, T3 cruisers are the real deal. The steep training curve is well worth it. They're awesome! There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:21:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote:Proteus has the reputation to be thin-skinned, at least by comparison to the Tengu. Most of what I'm reading simply says pass the Legion by - that it's not only in last place, but last place by far for many reasons. Less DPS, capacitor problems, lack of "oh, wow!" subsystems, etc.
If you only have second hand "knowledge" on T3s, just stfu.
Proteus does not have a reputation of being thin-skinned, it actually has the reputation of being one of thickest bricks possible in the whole game, which is based on the fact that it is a ******* massive brick of thick armor.
Legion is a fine AHAC for the same reasons Zealot is, mainly for Scrorch being awesome.
OP, you won't fnind the answer to your question on any forum. Fly what you like and fly best.
Notify-á-á You cannot do that while warping. |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
670
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:30:00 -
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I really hate it when people post "WAT x IS GUD"
It's all subjective, ******* figure it out yourself. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
229
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:59:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:I really hate it when people post "WAT x IS GUD"
It's all subjective, ******* figure it out yourself.
Heaven forbid someone use a Forum for...asking questions
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
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rusty532
Red Dawn Mercenaries Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:52:00 -
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The proteus will out dps all t3s within 5km, so a good question for you is what are your typical engagement ranges? Having 900 dps at 5+5 is worth squat if your target is sitting at 20km. I have been flying the legion for a while now and the choice of instantaneous range dictation is worth a lot more than you would think. 500 dps at 34+5 will likely be more useful in a lot of situations. The legion is an excellent fleet ship and can field nearly as much ehp as a proteus with an extra mid slot for utility. As you are asking the state of affairs in 1.1 the rail proteus is a good contender now. 700 dps at 20km optimal is quite good as long as you maintain a low transversal. It all comes down to what kind of pvp you take part in and what your typical enemy flies. |
Roseline Penshar
Illusory Superiority Standing United.
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:53:00 -
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and which one of the T3 have the strongest tank? i always thought it was legion before |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
102
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:49:00 -
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Roseline Penshar wrote:and which one of the T3 have the strongest tank? i always thought it was legion before
Proteus, hands down. A bait/drone bunny Proteus can reach more than a million EHP.
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Dato Koppla
Veni Vidi Evassi
310
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:20:00 -
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It all depends on what you want the T3 for. However generally speaking, the Tengu fills the most roles, followed by the Loki, then Proteus and I feel the Legion kinda has the least use. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
269
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:10:00 -
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If you like scorch, you should love beams. Trading ~40% tracking for 30% dps :> And the ability to shoot recons/logi out to 120km. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - 15% more tank since the 1.1-patch. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
892
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:11:00 -
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the railgu work now ??
or is it still crappy despite the medium rails buff ? |
Vatos Amigo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:18:00 -
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Thanks a bunch everyone for your feed backs on T3's
I guess they are all good in many ways by the feed back im getting.
Generally its what u do with it right? And how u fit the **** will Give you your satisfaction...
I will be training them all so when the time comes I'll know which one is best to use for gang fleet/solo pvp/ pirating/ pve.
again thank you all for your feedback on T3's
Fly safe |
Baggo Hammers
128
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:40:00 -
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Roime wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Proteus has the reputation to be thin-skinned, at least by comparison to the Tengu. Most of what I'm reading simply says pass the Legion by - that it's not only in last place, but last place by far for many reasons. Less DPS, capacitor problems, lack of "oh, wow!" subsystems, etc. If you only have second hand "knowledge" on T3s, just stfu. Proteus does not have a reputation of being thin-skinned, it actually has the reputation of being one of thickest bricks possible in the whole game, which is based on the fact that it is a ******* massive brick of thick armor. Legion is a fine AHAC for the same reasons Zealot is, mainly for Scrorch being awesome. OP, you won't fnind the answer to your question on any forum. Fly what you like and fly best.
This. So many "Which is best???" posts. It is all subjective. And please folks don't post answers if you really don't know the answer. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
532
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Posted - 2013.10.05 18:59:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:the railgu work now ??
or is it still crappy despite the medium rails buff ?
If you call 700 DPS with 200s bad yeah they suck.
They do still track like crap though, so its takes stars aligning to get real damage out of them, and its pretty tricky to get fit without becoming REALLY expensive.
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Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:55:00 -
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Proteus has awesome dps. Best buffer. But lacks mids and gtfo ability. It also has one of the best passive shield tanks at around 2 to 3k dps vs SERPS guristas and can easily run 10/10s and L5s solo abeit slowly as its only got around 400 dps.
Even in cloaky nullified it can do 650/750 dps at 100k EHP.
I know nothing about the other t3s. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1597
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Posted - 2013.10.06 05:45:00 -
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How big are your balls? |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Origin. Black Legion.
278
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Posted - 2013.10.07 04:00:00 -
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Onictus wrote: If you call 700 DPS with 200s bad yeah they suck.
They do still track like crap though, so its takes stars aligning to get real damage out of them, and its pretty tricky to get fit without becoming REALLY expensive.
Tengu is the one best suited to using rails for sure now, the 100% optimal bonus is nuts compared to the tracking bonus bonus on the proteus (hint rails still track awfully with that).
Roime wrote:Legion is a fine AHAC for the same reasons Zealot is, mainly for Scrorch being awesome.
Beams with Xray now hit much harder than scorch at the same range with similar tracking, and the option to hit further than scorch, it's really dumb.
No sig. |
Darling Hassasin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:38:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Proteus has awesome dps. Best buffer. But lacks mids and gtfo ability. It also has one of the best passive shield tanks at around 2 to 3k dps vs SERPS guristas and can easily run 10/10s and L5s solo abeit slowly as its only got around 400 dps.
Even in cloaky nullified it can do 650/750 dps at 100k EHP.
I know nothing about the other t3s.
I call bull on this one. Even with 3 fed navy mags (using three low slots on nullified lows is suicidal but nm) you will not get better than 500-ish dps. Please share fit.
Generally a LOT of misinformation in this thread as well as some good info.
@OP: Legion is very good imo as a cloaky camper with the scan res sub and 2xsebo. It can have web-point-mwd-1300 res, or point-mwd-injector 1300 res or point-web-mwd-injector-900 res... well you catch my drift...
and you can have this baby either sit cloaked on a gate with a reasonable (for a t3) armor tanked and 300+ dps and doing all of the above or 600+ dps minus the cloak.
Its a great little ship for forcing non-consentual pvp on people and if your friends allreayd have Proteus... I believe you are very usefull as you are without the need to cross train.
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
532
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:52:00 -
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Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:Onictus wrote: If you call 700 DPS with 200s bad yeah they suck.
They do still track like crap though, so its takes stars aligning to get real damage out of them, and its pretty tricky to get fit without becoming REALLY expensive.
Tengu is the one best suited to using rails for sure now, the 100% optimal bonus is nuts compared to the tracking bonus bonus on the proteus (hint rails still track awfully with that). Roime wrote:Legion is a fine AHAC for the same reasons Zealot is, mainly for Scrorch being awesome. Beams with Xray now hit much harder than scorch at the same range with similar tracking, and the option to hit further than scorch, it's really dumb.
Wrong sub, you use the done sub to give room for a pair of tracking comps. Something that doesn't work with as full tanked Tengu.
Plus you get drones.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1252
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:54:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:I really hate it when people post "WAT x IS GUD"
It's all subjective, ******* figure it out yourself. Heaven forbid someone use a Forum for...asking questions
This
@OP
Both Legion and Proteus have strengths and weaknesses.
Proteus can be a hell of a paper dps brute, but on paper only because with 5km (+/-) optimal this means a lot of commitment but also that you're trading tank for gank. T2 fitted with no implants/links etc you can dish a nice 700/800 dps with and still keep 80/100K EHP depending on rigs/mods.
Just like any other T3 once you start throwing isk at fittings, combat boosters, implants, links this ship becomes really fun to fly.
Legion is awesome, such incredible and sexy design on top of lasers, fit Multi and you're dishing almost as much than Proteus but with a bigger tank (resist profile), load scorch and pewpew all over the place. Awesome ship.
Train both, get both in your hangar, you will not regret yet. Regrets will come next year when they're going to reduce these ships to useless. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:52:00 -
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WTF IS PROTUS |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
273
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:22:00 -
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The Spod wrote:WTF IS PROTUS
A multi-platform spamming operation, apparently.
They can spam your customers' faxes, phone lines and e-mail addresses, while at the same time looking extremely confused doing so.
Check "their" pictures at their website. The dude & dudette on the "support" section are sporting a hilarious "WTF?" face.
http://www.protus.com/support.asp |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
273
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:39:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:Onictus wrote: If you call 700 DPS with 200s bad yeah they suck.
They do still track like crap though, so its takes stars aligning to get real damage out of them, and its pretty tricky to get fit without becoming REALLY expensive.
Tengu is the one best suited to using rails for sure now, the 100% optimal bonus is nuts compared to the tracking bonus bonus on the proteus (hint rails still track awfully with that). Roime wrote:Legion is a fine AHAC for the same reasons Zealot is, mainly for Scrorch being awesome. Beams with Xray now hit much harder than scorch at the same range with similar tracking, and the option to hit further than scorch, it's really dumb. Wrong sub, you use the done sub to give room for a pair of tracking comps. Something that doesn't work with as full tanked Tengu. Plus you get drones.
Are you drugged or just bad at fitting tengus? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - 15% more tank since the 1.1-patch. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
532
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:17:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Onictus wrote:Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:Onictus wrote: If you call 700 DPS with 200s bad yeah they suck.
They do still track like crap though, so its takes stars aligning to get real damage out of them, and its pretty tricky to get fit without becoming REALLY expensive.
Tengu is the one best suited to using rails for sure now, the 100% optimal bonus is nuts compared to the tracking bonus bonus on the proteus (hint rails still track awfully with that). Wrong sub, you use the done sub to give room for a pair of tracking comps. Something that doesn't work with as full tanked Tengu. Plus you get drones. Are you drugged or just bad at fitting tengus? . Ask BL how the untanked Tengu thing goes. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1509
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:47:00 -
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For PVE (I don't use T3's for peeveepee) my preferences are Tengu (it's a go-to ship that can be relied upon) and Loki (fun cuz I love projectile weps). Haven't had a Proteus in years (my first T3 death was in a Proteus out in Cloud Ring!), and though I recently trained up for Legion, I found a lot of other ships better at what a Legion does for a lot less ISK.
ymmv "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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