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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1550
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:37:00 -
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What's striking about the entire situation involving SOMER is not so much that they're being gifted items, it's the lack of gifted items to people and groups that have been in the game longer and done much much more to actually promote the game by encouraging, teaching, providing tools & education to play the game. They get nothing, and many of them do it as a charity to CCP who is too ******* lazy to do it themselves.
Honestly, if I were one of these people who ran a fansite, I'd shut it down. I would consider this a slap in the face. If major portions of game content, and lets face it, most of the content for the game is meta and player developed, disappeared like the market sites, the online tutorials, the system/corp/alliance information sites the game would lose all but basic playability. I can't play the game without utilizing at least 3 player developed and ran sites a day who do it for zero commercial profit. If they weren't available I seriously don't know how I would play the game.
If I setup PI, off to Eve-uni's site. If I do some market research, off to eve-central or eve-market (my own personal spreadsheets pull from these sites). If I'm tooling around w-space, off to wormnav and siggy is a must have. Or nullsec/losec then its dotlan. If I'm setting up some new ships, over to EFT. Setting up a skill plan, Evemon (though BC does it for profit), but then there's also EveHQ which afaik is non-profit. If I'm running intel on a person a see in space, any of the plethora of kill-boards to get more info of ship fittings, groups, etc, etc, etc.
Seems to me, shooting the monument is just so Incarna, perhaps the players need to protest by asking the creators of the content that makes the game actually playable to coordinate a blackout in protest. Don't ban me, bro! |
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium
94
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:38:00 -
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The impersonator is Autumnries Mahn. Notice the 'n' instead of an 'm' for the last letter. I'm pretty sure Autumnries Mahm is the real deal. |
Din Chao
359
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:42:00 -
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Molic Blackbird wrote:The impersonator is Autumnries Mahn. Notice the 'n' instead of an 'm' for the last letter. I'm pretty sure Autumnries Mahm is the real deal. You are correct. http://evewho.com/pilot/Autumnries+Mahm |
Kelby
43
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:48:00 -
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I am outraged.... only because I'm jealous though lol
rabble rabble rabble |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1175
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:48:00 -
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Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20? |
Kelby
43
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:49:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20?
I'm guessing because this is sanctioned unlike the T20 incident. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:49:00 -
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How have you managed to obtain all your items without being scammed out of billions?
You just accused https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Autumnries%20Mahm of being a scam, when in fact that's the CEO/Owner/rollingaroundinpilesofisk of Somer.
You should, instead, have been aiming your scam accusation at:
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Autumnries%20Mahn and https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Autumnries%20Mahnn
Then if we use a little basic comparison we'll see that the name linked on the TMC image of the eve mail directly matches that of the profile of the alt (or maybe alt, or possibly alt, or who knows what you can say with the new TOS) of Somerset Mahm |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:50:00 -
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Gamer4liff wrote:Hey yeah, I'm gonna say it again. If this kind of thing is as disgustingly commonplace as it looks, where the hell is Mitten's Ishukone Watch Scorpion? Goonswarm is responsible for a huge chunk of CCP's revenue after all, and runs the best news service via TM.com. What makes these chuckle-****s running a large lottery scam and a few community events more important to the eve community than the countless hours of gameplay content created by Goonswarm?
Shame CCP, for shame.
Every time you post you actually hurt the argument.. please stop |
Prince Kobol
963
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:55:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:Blanca Meadow wrote:It's simple and easy. Blink causes players to win/loose isk. Players that lost isk, want to have isk back. What's easiest way to have isk? Buy PLEX. More isk lost on gambling=more PLEXes bought=more income for CCP. It's not any 'CCP favrourite fansite', it's simply their best business partner, bringing income to CCP...
That's fine, give them a tour of the CCP offices, send them a megathron model, have them go drinking with their good buddy Navigator, give them actual cash. None of that would effect the integrity of the game we all pay for one way or another. Spawning masses of in-game crap might seem the quick, easy and low cost option but it hurts the EVE brand if the sandbox is a lie and we're actually playing a game with handpicked winners.
This is a good post as there are other means of thanking players for their work out of game and not adding more poop in the sand box so to speak.
By all means give those players who run these 3rd Party Sites, create 3rd party tools that enhances Eve for all players a token of thanks, but not something that can have an effect in game.
Models, game time automatically added to their account, an item of clothing.. It doesn't matter what it is so long as it is not something in game.
Also don't make a big secret of it. Do it in the open, make an event out if it so all players know that you will reward and give recognition to those who enhance Eve for all players.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
430
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:58:00 -
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If it sells PLEX then it didn't happen... |
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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
584
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:59:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote: That's fine, give them a tour of the CCP offices, send them a megathron model, have them go drinking with their good buddy Navigator, give them actual cash. None of that would effect the integrity of the game we all pay for one way or another. Spawning masses of in-game crap might seem the quick, easy and low cost option but it hurts the EVE brand if the sandbox is a lie and we're actually playing a game with handpicked winners.
This fuckin legend right here gets it
Spot on and great post. |
Angel Korstar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:59:00 -
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All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready. |
Prince Kobol
965
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:03:00 -
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Angel Korstar wrote:All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready.
Whilst I believe there is an element of this in this, it still doesn't detract from the fact that CCP has made a very big mistake here.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
584
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:05:00 -
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Angel Korstar wrote:All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready.
If all you see is greed and cry babies then you're officially ********. This was an IQ test and you have passed with a stunning score of mongoloid, congratz, I'm sure your mum would be proud.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16757
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:05:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:That's fine, give them a tour of the CCP offices, send them a megathron model, have them go drinking with their good buddy Navigator, give them actual cash. None of that would effect the integrity of the game we all pay for one way or another. Spawning masses of in-game crap might seem the quick, easy and low cost option but it hurts the EVE brand if the sandbox is a lie and we're actually playing a game with handpicked winners. Not empty-quoting.
At this point, I'm wondering what they'll seed the people who have been working on dotlan, battleclinic, EFT, EVEMon, Pyfa, EVEUni, Goons. I suppose Chribba should be given 7 unique ships GÇö one for each insanely useful site he has contributed to the community. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2422
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:06:00 -
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Kelby wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20? I'm guessing because this is sanctioned unlike the T20 incident.
Yes. The T20 incident was the action of a rogue employee acting behind the backs of his colleagues.
This appears to be further confirmation that T20s historical actions are now official, sanctioned CCP policy. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3472
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:09:00 -
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Has this been dealt with yet?
Honestly I hope CCP does more of this. The oceans of tears from the same people who felt they were entitled to mess with everybody else's game is rather enjoyable to sail my Hate Boat on.
It's going to be good sailing
Anybody up for a regatta? We'll call it the Ishukone Cup. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1307
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:10:00 -
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Can't believe I'm saying this: unless this policy of in-game rewards is reversed, I'm letting my sub lapse at the end of the month.
I literally never imagined I would be one of ~those~ people, yet here I am. Well done, CCP. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:10:00 -
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Angel Korstar wrote:All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready.
All I see is someone who fails to make elementary deductive reasoning.
The issue is not that 'Goons didn't get shiny toys when the kid next to them did' the issue is that CCP is giving out toys at all. That's then compounded by the fact they're giving them to a gambling site that makes piles of isk and doesn't actually need the toys in the first place.
CCP gave billions of isk worth free stuff to players who 'work' for somer blink. They gave billions to trillions of isk worth of free stuff to Somer blink to do what they wanted with, which while they gave it away, still gave Somer Blink billions more profit that week.
While more obvious (which perhaps is the problem for some people not making the simple comparison and understanding of CCP's flawed ethics here), how would you feel if CCP was giving free stuff to (corporation you don't like who fights you and beats you because of CCP's free stuff)?
For the other eve lotteries, Somer Blink is the big company that not only has the bulk of the market, but gets bonus handouts and freebies from CCP to ensure it stays the big kid on the block.
CCP Navigator's decision making process on this issue, and whoever else in the company was involved in signing off on it, is entirely lacking in respect for the integrity of the game. It makes a mockery of the term 'sandbox' (already strained as it is in terms of Eve) and gives scant regard for the players who try to play by the rules. Given the near Godwinism of T20 whenever CCP does anything that looks in the slightest bit unethical, it should have been of little shock to them that them doing exactly what T20 did would cause people to think 'same old CCP, always cheating |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
586
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:13:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Honestly I hope CCP does more of this. The oceans of tears from the same people who felt they were entitled to mess with everybody else's game is rather enjoyable to sail my Hate Boat on.
Yeah, because players blowing up players is totally comparable to CCP giving hundreds of billions (probably trillions at this point) to a particular isk machine... Not.. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3472
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:15:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Honestly I hope CCP does more of this. The oceans of tears from the same people who felt they were entitled to mess with everybody else's game is rather enjoyable to sail my Hate Boat on.
Yeah, because players blowing up players is totally comparable to CCP giving hundreds of billions (probably trillions at this point) to a particular isk machine... Not..
Hey this is a sandbox. If they so mad let them track these ships down and gank them. If they can't or won't, it's not my problem.
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Rhatar Khurin
United Earth Directorate
157
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:16:00 -
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Argh! Not more bullplop Somer blink drama, it's getting really tiresome.... |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
401
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:18:00 -
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So.... TMC posted an unverified article purely on a 'leaked e-mail' that could easily have been fabricated. Response. Lots of emo internet kids rage.
Really. Settle down, wait for a CCP response to these allegations before cancelling Subs, burning Jita or any other such nonsense atm. All you people doing talking about that are doing is showing exactly how immature you are and how little CCP should care about your opinion when you have no interest in the facts but are letting yourself be jerked around by the first guy out with a story that makes you mad.
This isn't to say that is this is true I won't have an issue with it myself, but I am not going to break out the pitch forks without actually listening to the other story, I will not be part of a lynch mob. Especially not one that is placing itself in line for a major law suit.
As if TMC are wrong on any of their details, they will have actually stepped over the line and opened themselves to Litigation given the tone of the article as it didn't call for an investigation into if the rumours are true, but actual action on the assumption the rumours are true. And as such is DELIBERATELY trying to harm CCP's business by using an unverified story. Something that is illegal in a great many countries and newspapers that publish such poor journalism calling for 'action' on rumour often get sued successfully. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
53027
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:19:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hey this is a sandbox. If they so mad let them track these ships down and gank them. If they can't or won't, it's not my problem.
Surely the goblin king under his mountain is not going to just sit there and take it, right? Or have those days passed?
Oh c'mon Herzog. You know those things are Undockable Hangar Queens. They'll never see the Dark of Space.
....and leave David Bowie out of it. This is complex enough already. People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson |
Angel Korstar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:19:00 -
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Kuni Oichi wrote:Angel Korstar wrote:All I see is greed and jealousy here, bunch of cry babies upset that they didn't get shiny new toys when the kid next to them did, and I guess The Mittani is starting to feel like he is being pushed away from the CCP golden teat by Somer. STFU GTFO but before you do please let the tears flow. Buckets at the ready. All I see is someone who fails to make elementary deductive reasoning. The issue is not that 'Goons didn't get shiny toys when the kid next to them did' the issue is that CCP is giving out toys at all (outside reasonable competition, such as alliance tournament etc. etc.). That's then compounded by the fact they're giving them to a gambling site that makes piles of isk and doesn't actually need the toys in the first place. CCP gave billions of isk worth free stuff to players who 'work' for somer blink. They gave billions to trillions of isk worth of free stuff to Somer blink to do what they wanted with, which while they gave it away, still gave Somer Blink billions more profit that week. While more obvious (which perhaps is the problem for some people not making the simple comparison and understanding of CCP's flawed ethics here), how would you feel if CCP was giving free stuff to (corporation you don't like who fights you and beats you because of CCP's free stuff)? For the other eve lotteries, Somer Blink is the big company that not only has the bulk of the market, but gets bonus handouts and freebies from CCP to ensure it stays the big kid on the block. CCP Navigator's decision making process on this issue, and whoever else in the company was involved in signing off on it, is entirely lacking in respect for the integrity of the game. It makes a mockery of the term 'sandbox' (already strained as it is in terms of Eve) and gives scant regard for the players who try to play by the rules. Given the near Godwinism of T20 whenever CCP does anything that looks in the slightest bit unethical, it should have been of little shock to them that them doing exactly what T20 did would cause people to think 'same old CCP, always cheating
This post is well thought out and makes a point, thanks for looking beyond my knee jerk reaction. Might the gift giving possibly be a reward for all the plex that might (or might not) be purchased from CCP to gamble with? Honest question.
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Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:19:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Kelby wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20? I'm guessing because this is sanctioned unlike the T20 incident. Yes. The T20 incident was the action of a rogue employee acting behind the backs of his colleagues. This appears to be further confirmation that T20s historical actions are now official, sanctioned CCP policy.
No not official. CCP does not endorse officially. That's why they are supposed to keep this silent and under the radar.
I really like how they like and unofficially endorse SOMER blink which is a gambling outfit when there are jurisdictions where all gambling on the internet are forbidden and even so when they aren't the main function of some site/game. But for ccp this is just par for the course I guess. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
590
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:20:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hey this is a sandbox. If they so mad let them track these ships down and gank them. If they can't or won't, it's not my problem.
Surely the goblin king under his mountain is not going to just sit there and take it, right? Or have those days passed?
Do you understand the hypocrisy in this statement?
"hey this is a sandbox"
You made me laugh
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
65
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:23:00 -
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Angel Korstar wrote: Might the gift giving possibly be a reward for all the plex that might (or might not) be purchased from CCP to gamble with? Honest question.
Nothing else... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3473
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:24:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hey this is a sandbox. If they so mad let them track these ships down and gank them. If they can't or won't, it's not my problem.
Surely the goblin king under his mountain is not going to just sit there and take it, right? Or have those days passed?
Oh c'mon Herzog. You know those things are Undockable Hangar Queens. They'll never see the Dark of Space. ....and leave David Bowie out of it. This is complex enough already.
Well maybe the goons can gank Jita or something. I hear there's a monument in there that they can practice on.
Come to think of it, nowhere else have I seen more confusing of Activism and Resistance than in this MMO.
GÖ½ Hate Boat soon will be making another run GÖ½ The Hate Boat promises something for everyone GÖ½ GÖ½
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2424
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:26:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Can't believe I'm saying this: unless this policy of in-game rewards is reversed, I'm letting my sub lapse at the end of the month.
I literally never imagined I would be one of ~those~ people, yet here I am. Well done, CCP.
CCP have railroaded themselves into a lose-lose position here. Either they carry on with the promotional giveaways, spawning more and more unique and limited edition hulls and giving away more and more Fanfest trips (and having to arbitrarily decide each time which players and organisations have generated sufficient GTC sales community content to be granted favoured status, or they stop the promotion now and deny anyone else the opportunity to level the playing field with similar rewards to those which Somer have already received.
The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
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