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Ezek Price
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:39:00 -
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I am attempting to chronicle the many fleet comps EVE entities have used and I need help from everyone. Now some quick groundrules, there are obviously criteria and I am looking for fleet compositions, not just fits. For example, Thundercats is a fleet comp (well its a fitting too) but the Stabberbond (2WCS+3Gyro Vaga) is a fitting (feel free to dispute).
Criteria: - Post Apocrypha (wormhole expansion), pre Apoc is fine as long as you mention its an "Archaic" fleet comp (eg, cav ravens) - Used by lowsec and/or nullsec entities
Format for submitting info - Expansion/time it was used (any general idea to help me categorise it) - A fitting or brief description of how it was fit - General idea of its support (ie, did it require guardians or oneiroses, or ECM/EWAR support) - Who pioneered it/is known for it.
Something like this:
Quote:Thundercats - HM Tengus, bricktanked, 10mn AB fit - Pandemic Legion - Circa, April 2011 - Germinate war
Now spam me!
The List So Far:
Post-Aprocrypha
Hellcat Thundercat Dreamcat Fauxcat/Foxcat Techfleet Baltecfleet Kaboose Pantheon Nanodrake Welpcane AHAC Rokhfleet Permadrake Brickdrake Gokufleet Grapeape Sleipfleet FuckYouFleet Tracking Dreads Tracking Titans Slowcats Sentry Domis Ishtarfleet Doomcat
Archaic (Pre-Aprocrypha)
Nanophoon Cavalry Raven
War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Jayne Fillon
Sanctuary of Shadows Axiomatic Dominion
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Posted - 2013.10.09 23:46:00 -
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Wow, quite the list you've got here.
Only one I can think of is the VoC Tengu fleet, although the fitting isn't public, it was used notably during this fight.
Details and clues to how it was used are on page 2 and in the comment section.
Other than that, I can't think of any other fleet comps you haven't already listed. Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:45:00 -
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Slowcats are archon drone boats
Dominix Fleet was called potatoe cat interenally in N3 |
Archare
Sleepless Escorts
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Posted - 2013.10.10 02:49:00 -
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Don't forget the doctrine that works in any situation!
Kitchen sink! |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.10.10 03:24:00 -
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RRBS, that used to be a thing, right?
Also you're missing classical blops gangs, i.e. bombers/recons/t3s. |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
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Posted - 2013.10.10 03:24:00 -
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LeZap: neuting Legion with drones... more of a fit than doctorine but they are used commonly in wormholes in conjunction with other T3s and logi.
Cool list though :) -Bl+¦d
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Six Strangelove
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 05:08:00 -
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Masterplan:
Long range (~120km) Abaddons with ridiculous EHP and a MegaBeam or two dropped for remote reps. An RR fleet intended to withstand a Doomsday AOE and still go about their business. It sounds silly now, but they were a tough and surprisingly useful fleet doc at the time, though I suspect changes to the Doomsday have rendered the whole concept obsolete.
Also cap issues.
Force of Evil flew them in Winter 2009. |
Rinterra Tsurioro
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.10.10 05:23:00 -
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Prophecy fleet is an idea that TEST stole from N3 during the end of the fountain war.
Also, Muninn fleet is better known as "Fireline Munnins," which were initially designed to firewall against missiles and drones.
You may want to add that Foxcats rely on armor triage a lot in order to work properly.
Tornado fleet is becoming a thing with groups in the Curse area. They are 1400mm MWD tornados designed to snipe things off of station undocks in excess of 100 km. |
Lynx Sawpaw
Explorer Corps Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 08:12:00 -
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Not sure if this falls under the same fleet as tracking dreads or not but I'll post it anyways for debating purposes.
Blapnag fleet. Used in Wspace by Disavowed. (and probably others)
Consists of 1-2 Naglfar, + triage archon and a support fleet of t3 armor + vigilants/vindicators for their webs/paints. The Naglfar's capless guns allow it to continue to do it's job while under direct neuting pressure from bhaalgorns and neut legions that are commonly used to counter dread blapping.
Nag fit is fluid since the proximity to the archon allows it to refit as needed. It has the ability to fit armor buffer if it needs to coast out of siege but is otherwise shield tanked.
This fleet became a thing when the naglfar was given a rework.
In rust, we trust. |
Lynx Sawpaw
Explorer Corps Disavowed.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 08:17:00 -
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Also what about RnK's pipe bombing fleet of smartbomb battleships? |
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Danny John-Peter
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.10 08:37:00 -
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Pulepocs;
T1 Apocs of old, used by CVA on days of yore to Ez mode nano gangs.
(Possibly archaic)
Also I'm fairly sure nano-phoons are no longer Archaic. |
Ezek Price
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 10:22:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:RRBS, that used to be a thing, right?
Also you're missing classical blops gangs, i.e. bombers/recons/t3s.
I will put Blops gangs in but there are so many variations:
- Bringing bombers or not - Jumping the bridger or jumping blops with bombers, just blops? - RR Recons - RR tech 3s - Tech 3 HK? - Recon HK?
Hoping someone from MI will come along and enlighten me. War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Capqu
Love Squad
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Posted - 2013.10.10 10:43:00 -
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ultrawar - t1 thrashers designed to win the isk war by killing a single real ship in exchange for fleets of 2 mil thrashers. supported by small mobile bubbles
used by pizza in the killing of elite space guild (rip) http://pizza.eve-kill.net |
Ezek Price
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 10:49:00 -
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Capqu wrote:ultrawar - t1 thrashers designed to win the isk war by killing a single real ship in exchange for fleets of 2 mil thrashers. supported by small mobile bubbles
used by pizza in the killing of elite space guild (rip)
Does PIZZA have a name for the Pyromancer squad bomber? Pizza delivery? War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Capqu
Love Squad
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Posted - 2013.10.10 10:52:00 -
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if you mean the warpcore stab mse fits, they have names but they aren't suitable for this forum http://pizza.eve-kill.net |
Cire Xinehp
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.10.10 12:02:00 -
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FIREWALL!!
One of the best responses to the Drake blob that there ever was (IMHO) |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 12:51:00 -
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Cire Xinehp wrote:FIREWALL!!One of the best responses to the Drake blob that there ever was (IMHO) wanted to mention it. Great times! |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:33:00 -
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Gheyfrigs - Ceptors and EAFs only - Gallente militia, coming winter 2013 (post Rubicon) |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:26:00 -
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Not sure what they called it but minny militia used to use SFI's for all the things since they cost **** all. I have seen pretty much every fit in the world for an SFI thanks to that (i'm looking at you, the guys that though ecm thrashers were cool so surely an ecm thrasher was awesome right?)
You could be sure that whatever fleet we had, at all, the minnie counter was SFI's. |
Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:35:00 -
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Raul Moat: Pulse Absolutions, Guardians, supported by Loki/Proteus tackle (if they'd let me bring my ******* Astartes cause they are clearly superior to Absos that would be swell)
BBC: Armor Arty Machariels, Guardians, supported by Proteus/Rapier tackle
Also, pantheons don't necessarily need subcaps to be called pantheon, they are just carriers intricately linked with loads of energy transfers to generate loads of capacitor which is then used to rep **** up. |
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.10 16:44:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:RRBS, that used to be a thing, right?
Also you're missing classical blops gangs, i.e. bombers/recons/t3s.
Yes it did. We did RR Phoons with Torps, and 2 large Solace RR. The doctrine Included Ogre II's for pure DPS or ECM Drones when we were outnumbered Fleets were Armor based, so Mega's and Geddons also would fly with 1 Large Solace. Phoons were thecornerstone though. Brawler RRBS . No Logi, No Recon, every pilot was doing DPS and RR. |
Ezek Price
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:58:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:Not sure what they called it but minny militia used to use SFI's for all the things since they cost **** all. I have seen pretty much every fit in the world for an SFI thanks to that (i'm looking at you, the guys that though ecm thrashers were cool so surely an ecm thrasher was awesome right?)
You could be sure that whatever fleet we had, at all, the minnie counter was SFI's.
Were they shield SFIs (baby vagas) or dual rep? I know some CalMil groups imitated their Minni counterparts and did dual rep SFI gangs War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Ezek Price
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:02:00 -
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Cire Xinehp wrote:FIREWALL!!One of the best responses to the Drake blob that there ever was (IMHO)
I was just having a discussion about the Firewall. Sure it was used a fleet comp many times but it only involves a small part of the fleet, the rest is DPS, any mid ranged DPS ship really. Does that qualify as a fleet comp, I would put Firewalling as a tactic rather than a comp.
Correct me if Im wrong, but the distinguishing mark of the Firewall is the smartbombers rather than a core ship. War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Ezek Price
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:09:00 -
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Grarr Dexx wrote:Raul Moat: Pulse Absolutions, Guardians, supported by Loki/Proteus tackle (if they'd let me bring my ******* Astartes cause they are clearly superior to Absos that would be swell)
BBC: Armor Arty Machariels, Guardians, supported by Proteus/Rapier tackle
Also, pantheons don't necessarily need subcaps to be called pantheon, they are just carriers intricately linked with loads of energy transfers to generate loads of capacitor which is then used to rep **** up.
Hah, I was waiting for the obligatory Armour Mach to turn up.
Do you have a batrep for the Raul Moat. I thought it was a just a joke reference. War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:34:00 -
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Ezek Price wrote: Panzer Fleet: mallers/omens fit with passive resists and t1 logi (aka Fingerbang)
:(
Panzers use passive resist Mallers and active resist Navy Omens that are both cap boosted. Regular Omens are actually banned because they have terrible resists and bad tank.
Fingerbang primarily passive resist Omens with a tracking computer without a cap booster because of the cap bonus.
They're both t1 armor cruiser doctrines, but the similarities end there.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:46:00 -
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Ezek Price wrote:Cire Xinehp wrote:FIREWALL!!One of the best responses to the Drake blob that there ever was (IMHO) I was just having a discussion about the Firewall. Sure it was used a fleet comp many times but it only involves a small part of the fleet, the rest is DPS, any mid ranged DPS ship really. Does that qualify as a fleet comp, I would put Firewalling as a tactic rather than a comp. Correct me if Im wrong, but the distinguishing mark of the Firewall is the smartbombers rather than a core ship. I agree with you that it's really a tactic rather than a comp.
I remember fighting against entire firewall fleets around that time like in the video (nostalgia bomb and loooove that intro), though it eventually got min/maxed and seperated as a tactic with dedicated ships. Not really sure if smartbombs to reduce missile damage had been used on that large of a scale at that point since I was still new to EVE. If someone knows more history on firewall tactics or how long Init kept the firewall role within the entire fleet, i'm actually kind of curious to hear more.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Ezek Price
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:20:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:Ezek Price wrote: Panzer Fleet: mallers/omens fit with passive resists and t1 logi (aka Fingerbang)
:( Panzers use passive resist Mallers and active resist Navy Omens that are both cap boosted. Regular Omens are actually banned because they have terrible resists and bad tank. Fingerbang primarily passive resist Omens with a tracking computer without a cap booster because of the cap bonus. They're both t1 armor cruiser doctrines, but the similarities end there.
Sowwwyyyyy, will fix. War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:28:00 -
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Spacewangs. Jump in a Thorax hull, hit "approach" on target and overload everything. |
David Kir
Statement of Intent
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Posted - 2013.10.16 01:03:00 -
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Before the tracking formula was introduced people used to camp gates in 6 damage mods, sensor boosted tackle-less tempests/armageddons, called "instakillas" and "gankageddons".
At the time there was no damage mod stacking penalty and you could literally alpha any ship off the field with one or two of these. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.16 09:41:00 -
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Such reference list is something I was looking for quite some time. Thank you for putting this up together! |
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