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Janeway84
Masters Of Destiny Pride Before Fall
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Posted - 2013.10.11 08:51:00 -
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Drone alloys where removed for a reason. The most logical choice would probably be for CCP to add drone faction drops like all kinds of standard weapons that been enhanced by drones. Kind of like the augmented drones and stuff but have like turrets and armor repairers and hardeners and all kinds of stuff enhanced. There's a little bit of a hole where the developers could work on some tweaks and additions. Sure it would maybe take them more work than add a few numbers on the npc spawns so they increase their bounty but imo the more intresting option would be to add drone faction mods. |
Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
36
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:11:00 -
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drone alloys were removed because the people who lived there were using bots only and then rmting their isk. ccp has no business ruining the game for other because some people break the rules.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4257
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:15:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:i love how you are trying to call it a mining ship when all it is doing is killing npc's. i mean with that mentality we need to get rid of reprocessing loot from rats.
It's a ship producing minerals and nothing else of significance. What does it matter what it's shooting? You'll notice that CCP pretty well nerfed loot reprocessing into the ground as well.
Quote:its a very simple calculation of risk over reward. putting a carrier and a noctis on the field in null sec is 3 times the risk of having two hulks in space in high sec. how should ones reward not be three times as much. as for mining being the least profitable, you have got to be insane. back when the prices of minerals were two thirds what they are now my 10 hulk pilots could turn out 5bil a day with me being lazy as hell. show me any 10 combined mission runners who even come close.
You do you keep trying to put words in my mouth? I never said anything about "carriers outmining Hulks in highsec." A carrier noctis combo in drone space was making something like 3 or 4 times as much ISK as 2 Hulks mining in nullsec, while producing a far greater volume of minerals.
Also, I really don't think you should sell yourself so short. I wouldn't call a 31 hour day of mining in 10 Hulks "lazy as hell." 31 hours a day of managing 10 Hulks is nothing short of industrious. (20 Hours with a supporting Orca.)
Quote:the only people who want to keep it the way it is are those who are making billions a day with no risk. there is nothing forcing them to go to null sec to make any real money. ccp has always said null's risk should always be out weighed by its reward over high sec. they have failed to do so in this instance.
And with the removal of drone poop, Nullsec mining finally has an advantage over HS mining (about 40%). Thank you for making my arguments for me. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Komodo Askold
Legion of Darkwind
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:19:00 -
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AFAIK, they were removed due to their heavy influence on mineral prices.
However, I do agree they could use some loot. Since they are quite a very different faction from the others, some faction loot would be great (it's 0.0 after all). That said, we got (or are getting) some officer modules from their higher ranks... It's a good start, isn't it? |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
342
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Posted - 2013.10.11 10:46:00 -
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The Drone Regions needs something that is true but smashing the economy in the face with the Drone Alloy shovel is not it. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
578
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Posted - 2013.10.11 10:49:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:While I hate paying more for ships as much as everyone else, I don't think ******* over the mining profession even more by nerfing their income is something anybody should be encouraging. That profession is already horribly boring and ridiculed. It needs dev love to be an interesting and profitable mechanic, not indirect nerfs.
If you just want drone alloys back in the game, I'd support them being added as a drop in special "drone haulers" that you can catch and kill, but regular combat rogue drones should only offer a bounty, not drop alloys.
Could be easily solved by creatign another mineral sink in the economy while returnign the mineral drops for the drones.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Edwin McAlister
Interstellar Engineering and Electronics INC
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:23:00 -
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make drones drop twice the salvage for making rigs
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
277
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:39:00 -
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Afaik chose one:
- either bounties - or drone alloys
no special cake for you. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - 15% more tank since the 1.1-patch. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
430
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:45:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:i love how you are trying to call it a mining ship when all it is doing is killing npc's. i mean with that mentality we need to get rid of reprocessing loot from rats.
its a very simple calculation of risk over reward. putting a carrier and a noctis on the field in null sec is 3 times the risk of having two hulks in space in high sec. how should ones reward not be three times as much. as for mining being the least profitable, you have got to be insane. back when the prices of minerals were two thirds what they are now my 10 hulk pilots could turn out 5bil a day with me being lazy as hell. show me any 10 combined mission runners who even come close.
the only people who want to keep it the way it is are those who are making billions a day with no risk. there is nothing forcing them to go to null sec to make any real money. ccp has always said null's risk should always be out weighed by its reward over high sec. they have failed to do so in this instance. 10 mission runners = VG. Which is 100 mil/h+ when pimped. since you had 10 hulks + orca that is the equiv of pimped. meaning they are turning 1 bill/h. On the other hand in hulks.... you are probably talking 35/h each. Assuming serious management. So you are talking a mere 350/h. Now since we are talking 10 hulks we are therefore comparing your income to 5 carriers with 5 Noctis. Which can easily turn over 100 mil/hour each on straight bounties. If we are talking standard Carrier income in null it would be 350/h from those I know who use Carriers. But I don't know exactly how much that is in Drone regions. So.... I think risk reward is fine already. Said Carriers way way out strip an equivalent number of hulks for the same time. Bragging about your 16 hour a day ISBoxed hulk fleet income doesn't negate that fact. Now you are proposing to not only give them all the bounty income but MORE mining income than the specialist mining ship can do at the same time, when said mining ship doesn't get bounties. & doesn't get any chance of officer spawns. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
904
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:53:00 -
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Komodo Askold wrote: That said, we got (or are getting) some officer modules from their higher ranks... It's a good start, isn't it?
They are in the database I don't remember seeing any being sold anywhere though. but I may have blinked and missed it. |
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Jaz Antollare
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:15:00 -
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No more alloys please, may be by some exeptions, like drones in mining belts or anomalies, something special. Some cool loot would be nice. Cur right nao drones are really boring as ****.
Make the m special in a good way, not in like "special" cuz nobody cares about them. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
165
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:22:00 -
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Khan Farshatok wrote:RubyPorto wrote:[quote=Blodhgarm Dethahal. .
a carrier and a noctis in null sec is way higher risk than two hulks in high sec. [/quote]
in many part of high sec hulks are virtually extinct. i know the minerbumping channel get pretty excited when they find one of the few survivors........ |
Quintessen
Messengers of Judah Socius Inter Nos
209
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:32:00 -
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Please no more shooting for minerals. It broke the economy and right now it's much better. I agree with all the other posters who have said they need better faction rewards. That's the simple fix, not bringing back shooting for minerals. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:37:00 -
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Look at this BORG guy making **** up |
Khan Farshatok
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill B O R G
36
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:11:00 -
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i love the little PL trolls who only post in this area of the forums when something comes up that fucks with their plans. go lose a revenant. oh wait. |
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