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Kai Zoro
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:42:00 -
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With prices coming down and more and more isk being available in the game, isk is really losing value because there is so much of it - some of it caused by macro miners etc.
CCP needs to come up with a way to drain money from the game at the same rate that it is going in - a country that just produces money will go into meltdown and the game is heading the same way.
CCP need to establish a figure that should be an average amount of isk per payer in the game so that this is adjusted as more and more players exist. Their mechanism for removing money should equate to keeping the average figure in place.
Without this mechanism, as wih real life economics, inlfation cuases prices to rocket as people all have so much money and are willing to pay silly money for what were cheap things before.
One way of doing it would be to add a zero to the price of everything own by npc's in the game - the Turkish government keep doing this with their currency and it works.
Another option would be to introduce a corporation tax whereby 25% of money earned by corporations is removed from the game. Harsh it may sound, but it works in real life because it is necessary.
Be honest with yourselves - you have too much money!
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:46:00 -
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You got all wrong what is happening in the Eve economics.
If you got 100M isk and the value of the minerals goes down. All the prices go down. You can buy more with your 100M isk. That means.. The value of isk is increasing. It's called deflation, the opposite of inflation.
It favors the people who have lots of isk. And it's not nice on people who own lots of equipment. It has got 2 distict sides and it's quite slow at this moment. Couple percents a month or so.
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StOrM ViPeR
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Kai Zoro
With prices coming down and more and more isk being available in the game, isk is really losing value because there is so much of it - some of it caused by macro miners etc.
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Seriously ?
HAC's Currently going for 120 to 180 million with BPC's fetching up to 100 mill ?
Its not the isk thats undervalued its the Modules that are over priced.
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GigaIndy
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:48:00 -
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Aye, if Prices are going down, then the value of isk is actualy going up.
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Sam Spacey
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:49:00 -
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0.0 rats being so easy doesn't help
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: StOrM ViPeR
Originally by: Kai Zoro
With prices coming down and more and more isk being available in the game, isk is really losing value because there is so much of it - some of it caused by macro miners etc.
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Seriously ?
HAC's Currently going for 120 to 180 million with BPC's fetching up to 100 mill ?
Its not the isk thats undervalued its the Modules that are over priced.
Needs to be sorted definately
You can't use techII as an indicator to the state of the market.
BS's make a better guide - and they are pretty cheap right now.
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Syrec on 27/01/2006 14:54:39
I invest my ISK in minerals and items that are stable and slowly rising in price. Spreading your fortune amongst assets is a way to avoid the fluctuations of ISK value and even gain some in the end. The only downside is that it isn't readily available for you to spend and takes time to free up your invested ISK.
.. but as others noted, prices going -up- can indicate ISK losing it's value. Prices all going down would indicate that ISK is gaining value. Certain groups of items can naturally go up or down reguardless of ISK value.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:53:00 -
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"Be honest with yourselves - you have too much money!"
to paraphrase common request, stats from game database or stfu.
(your belief people have too much money doesn't make it a fact that needs to be acted upon. Especially when long-term price dynamics on about everything but few items doesn't support your belief at all)
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Rawthorm
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:54:00 -
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Any such measures will only hurt the poor in the game.
As with real life you need money to make money, and eve is no exception to this rule.
The rich will continue to get richer and there isnt a dammed thing you can do about it without crippling the new commers to eve.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:57:00 -
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1. macro miners do not affect ISK at ALL. they affect mineral prices, something completely different ( and the effect they have is subject of debate as well )
2. You got no facts to prove your claims.
3. I got 5 mil isk, if that's rich...
4. What was cheap before that's expensive now ( without CCP affecting it's supply/price )
5. Are you freaking insane, corp TAX in isk??? WTH for?
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.27 15:05:00 -
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The gold standard for comparing inflation/deflation is commodities. Things like minerals. Not luxuries like HAC's. And BS are now cheaper then they have been in a long time, which says to me that we have deflation.
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kaufmann
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Posted - 2006.01.27 15:06:00 -
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all this carebearing of my clients is disturbing my profit.
make more wars,
problem solved.
And NPCs used to get certain kills too, today they are pussies.
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Fooball
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Posted - 2006.01.27 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
The gold standard for comparing inflation/deflation is commodities. Things like minerals. Not luxuries like HAC's. And BS are now cheaper then they have been in a long time, which says to me that we have deflation.
Yeah. If you pay more than 90 millions for Raven atm in Empire, you are getting ripped off. The mineral prices have gone that much down, it's cheaper now to manufacture them. And that's some 10% in couple months already.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.27 15:14:00 -
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Looks fine to me.
Prices were high arround Exodus, they're falling right now. This happens. It's not really bad.
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Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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In4r4
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Posted - 2006.01.27 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sam Spacey
0.0 rats being so easy doesn't help
seriously stfu about 0.0 rats
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ObviouslyAnAlt
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Posted - 2006.01.27 15:17:00 -
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One thing to note: The price of one unit of trit cannot go above 4isk, because after that you could just reprocess shuttles continually, and get all the trit you want
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2006.01.27 15:23:00 -
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i dont have too much isk, i still cant afford a mothership  , will all you people with too much send me some please
ill be your friend, honest i will
sorry, no F all about economics but had to post something cos im bored
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Gerbil Intaki
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Posted - 2006.01.27 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Zoro
Be honest with yourselves - you have too much money!
if this is true then donate some to your nearist noob.....yeah right... 
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Sable Schroedinger
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Posted - 2006.01.27 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: In4r4
Originally by: Sam Spacey
0.0 rats being so easy doesn't help
seriously stfu about 0.0 rats
wasn't gonna get drawn into this cos this thread is just a arguement of free market vs interventionalist economics. And that one has no end.
However, this eloquent reply just suggests someone thats hit on an easy meal ticket and is suddenly scared they're gonna lose it 
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kaufmann
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Posted - 2006.01.27 15:36:00 -
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nah.
you forget the taxes that the producer has to pay and the bpcs prices are doubled or threetimes now.
and some profit should be allowed.
Originally by: Fooball
Yeah. If you pay more than 90 millions for Raven atm in Empire, you are getting ripped off. The mineral prices have gone that much down, it's cheaper now to manufacture them. And that's some 10% in couple months already.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.01.27 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tas Devil on 27/01/2006 16:08:19
Originally by: ObviouslyAnAlt
One thing to note: The price of one unit of trit cannot go above 4isk, because after that you could just reprocess shuttles continually, and get all the trit you want
Wrong - npc price for shuttles actually adjusts depending on demand... if we got to a point where it was cheaper to buy shuttles and reprocess them to access trit then say buy trit on market because its above 4isk p.u. the price of shuttles would sore as the npc market reacts to such increases in demand. 
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WhiskeyDP
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Posted - 2006.01.27 16:15:00 -
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i am one of the ppl with a quite amount of isk and assets in eve and my personal feeling is that its too much isk ingame and have been for a very long time. back when i joined the game u actually had to work for a ship and ur stuff. now u have a cruiser within ur first hour ingame almost. u can get a bs within a cpl of days(even if u dont have the skills to fly it).
atm its too much isk ingame. its too easy to make isk.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.27 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tas Devil
Wrong - npc price for shuttles actually adjusts depending on demand... if we got to a point where it was cheaper to buy shuttles and reprocess them to access trit then say buy trit on market because its above 4isk p.u. the price of shuttles would sore as the npc market reacts to such increases in demand.
Er... riiiight.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.27 16:41:00 -
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"back when i joined the game u actually had to work for a ship and ur stuff. now u have a cruiser within ur first hour ingame almost. u can get a bs within a cpl of days(even if u dont have the skills to fly it)."
The prices of ships went quite significantly down from where they were at, when the game started. Mostly because people improved their production skills and efficiency of their blueprints.
But would be quite interested to hear just how do you imagine freshly starting character with next to no skills can make few millions in less than hour, and 20-30 mil a day...
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Davmi Costo
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Posted - 2006.01.27 16:42:00 -
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Knock bounty's on the head, billions of isk a day pours into the universe from the npc bounty system.
Knock all npc buy / sell orders on the head (and the trade goods with it).
There - a brave new world, which probably won't work :)
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.01.27 16:57:00 -
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price of isogen been going up since last week. not sure if it's temporary cause of the new bp's in game(both t1 and t2) or if its going to be more permanent.
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Naevius
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Posted - 2006.01.27 17:00:00 -
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CCP can control the money supply to some extent, just like the Federal Reserve bank. NPC bounties, buy orders = printing ISK; sell orders remove ISK.
Macrominers only produce minerals, not ISK.
Inflation is more money chasing less goods, so:
More combat -> inflation (goods destroyed)
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.01.27 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Zoro
With prices coming down and more and more isk being available in the game, isk is really losing value because there is so much of it - some of it caused by macro miners etc.
Macroers have nothing to do with there being more isk in the system. They only transfer existing isk from one player to another. When the sell isk, it's bought from another player. When they sell their isk on eBay, it's again passed on to another player. If they were farming npcs, then they'd be increasing the ammount of isk in the system.
They do increase the supply of minerals, which makes prices drop overall. Don't believe anybody who says that they significantly decrease mineral prices, or that they have little effect at all. Nobody has any hard numbers to back up such claims, not even CCP.
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themule
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Posted - 2006.01.27 17:26:00 -
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i am one of the ppl with a quite amount of isk and assets in eve and my personal feeling is that its too much isk ingame and have been for a very long time. back when i joined the game u actually had to work for a ship and ur stuff. now u have a cruiser within ur first hour ingame almost. u can get a bs within a cpl of days(even if u dont have the skills to fly it).
atm its too much isk ingame(been since the early days of lvl 4 agents imo). its too easy to make isk so i do agree with K about isk lost it value Quote:
The relative value of a cruiser has much more to do with the relative value minerals since the early days (think the additon of t2 miners, mining bs, barges). Decreasing the amount of isk coming into the game would not effect the relative value of anything.
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Morgana Janan
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Posted - 2006.01.27 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: WhiskeyDP
Edited by: WhiskeyDP on 27/01/2006 16:17:26
i am one of the ppl with a quite amount of isk and assets in eve and my personal feeling is that its too much isk ingame and have been for a very long time. back when i joined the game u actually had to work for a ship and ur stuff. now u have a cruiser within ur first hour ingame almost. u can get a bs within a cpl of days(even if u dont have the skills to fly it).
That's only if you've got a friend inside who is free with his cash.
I've been playing EVE for almost a month now. At the moment, I've got about 5 million ISK. Most I've ever had was 12 million, and that was about a week ago. It took me quite a bit to pile that up, and then I spent most of it on buying, outfitting, and insuring a Thorax. I made that money because I have too much free time right now.
Not because there's so much ISK floating around in space that I've got to pick it up to get it out of my way.
And it's going to take me quite a while to save up for a battleship. Even if I do invest in mining (which I havn't). So I havn't a clue what you're talking about.
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