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Force Of Creation
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:35:00 -
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Hey community,
been playing tutorial for 5 days and have noticed some issues, that are really bugging me out and can be the main reasons why i don't extend my trial time.
1) To the point, I'm playing from a notebook (Win7 64bit, i3-380m,4Gb of Ram and two graphic cards Intel HD graphics and Geforce GT 630m). The thing is that until recently my system was using GeForce as the main graphics driver, but after last few updates i have noticed that now Intel HD graphics is used as the main card. The same is for EVE, in options it's impossible to change graphics card to use, by default its the Intel one. How can I choose the card? when i disable Intel card on device manager, my screen turns black and i have to start the pc from safe mode and re-enable the card for my pc to function. Moreover, i cant disable it on the Bios, i simply cant find an option to disable it. Since I'm not using the NVidia card the game lags a bit.
2) Second problem is more annoying, and I relate it to the first one. After some time of playing, the computer overheats and turns off. I presume that it might be the graphics card that makes it do that, because the rest of the system is quite capable of processing the game.
3) Why cant I post in any other sections of forum?
4) is it worth to invest in a new ship, with more weapon slots, being faster etc. if i haven't chosen my career path jet.
The first two issues are the most annoying, so if you have any ideas how to treat them, please let me know.
Regards, Riderat |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
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Posted - 2013.10.14 09:47:00 -
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1&2) I have an option to switch which graphic card to use in the esc menu. Other than that I'm no use on technical stuff.
3) I believe trial accounts are restricted to the new player forum because of people spamming with lots of free trials.
4) Ships are tools. During the tutorials you will get quite a few of them. If you want a new tool or need one for a task buy one. Don't spend all your isk on a new ship as it will explode at some point. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:06:00 -
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1 is because of the absolutely terribad way that Laptop manufacturers have decided to make "gaming" laptops these days. They all pretty much have an Intel HD x000 card as the main card, but then your shiny nVidia or ATI card is just a secondary card to do the "heavy lifting" when the Intel card won't cut it (i.e. when you're gaming). It's annoying, and IMO a little underhanded. Though, even with this, you're limited by the fact it's a mobile card, so it's going to be less powerful overall than a dedicated card you'd find in a desktop. You'll probably need to turn some settings down/off (I had to turn off particle effects)
Fix -> open your nVidia control panel and set it to force the nVidia card in EVE (and the other games you want to play).
2. Laptops in general are terrible at cooling. Fixes
- Blow compressed air BACKWARDS through the vents (so through the exhaust) to knock off any dust/crap on the fins. (no skill required) - Get one of those "cooling stations" for the laptop -- it's just a "dock" of sorts that has a pair of fans on it, which blow more air across the bottom of the laptop, helping to cool the stuff (especially RAM and other passively cooled components) (no skill required) - open the laptop, clean off the thermal paste that was put on by the mfg (it's usually crap), and replace with good stuff (you'll need Computer Assembly L4, and "Not losing screws L5") One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Force Of Creation
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:18:00 -
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yeah, it seems that my software engineering is somewhere below L3. Here is the control panel. i have set for each item that is even remotely connected to EvE this setting. but still, when i start the game, in options its the Intel graphics HD.
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/9688/28f2.jpg
Is there a way to disable the card? I remember, when I first got Vanilla pc, i installed all the software and i didn't even have the problem with this, the Intel card didn't even show up on the Device Manager.
about the overheating, couldn't the reason be the lousy graphic card? |
J'Poll
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:49:00 -
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I'm usually too lazy to do stuff or just incompetent to fix it myself so sorry not much help for the first 2 questions.
3. It's because you are on a trial period. The restriction is placed on the forums to prevent abuse by other by creating throw away trials to **** up the other forum parts with crap and not bearing the consequences (ergo, using trials to post stuff against rules and the dont give a **** about forum bans).
4. First things first, 3 main rules in EVE:
A. Dont fly what you cant afford to lose. B. Bigger doesnt always mean better. C. Ships are tools, each action might ask for a different type of tool.
That said, if you run the entire New Player Experience (Aura tutorials, Career Agents, SoE Epic Arc) you will get a bunch of ships, some modules and ISK. And most importantly a faint idea on what EVE has to offer and what you like to do, once you know the last part you can then plan what you need in terms of ships, fits and how much ISK is involved with that. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Force Of Creation
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.14 16:35:00 -
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ok, i did some research and realized that i have the same issue as presented here, here and here. However, i didnt find any ways of solving this problem. please, if you know anyone with similar problem, let me know. There has to be somebody that actually overcame this! |
DeAira
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.10.14 16:52:00 -
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Force Of Creation wrote:
about the overheating, couldn't the reason be the lousy graphic card?
Probably not. The better the graphics card, the more power it uses, hence more heat that must be removed.
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Cara Forelli
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:47:00 -
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I'm not at home so I can't check, but I'm pretty my Geforce came with it's own control panel in which you can specify graphics options for different applications. My Geforce card actually burned itself out a while back so I had to switch to the integrated card from that menu. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com |
Cara Forelli
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:57:00 -
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DeAira wrote:Probably not. The better the graphics card, the more power it uses, hence more heat that must be removed.
No...Better game graphics require more power from the card. So yes, a weak graphics card will overheat faster than a "good" graphics card. Undoubtedly this is your problem, and figuring out how to switch to the Geforce ought to fix it.
http://voices.yahoo.com/signs-video-graphics-card-overheating-5966074.html www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.10.14 20:25:00 -
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1. Go to Nvidia control panel (right-click on desktop). 2. "Desktop" -> check Add "Run with graphics processor" to Context Menu. Optional: 3. 3D Settings -> Manage 3D Settings -> Global Settings -> Preferred Graphics Processor -> GeForce Optional: 4. 3D Settings -> Manage 3D Settings -> Program Settings -> Create an entry for EVE Online.
So you can start EVE with right-click and select GeForce, or you can run everything with GeForce (higher battery usage), or have a profile that only uses GeForce with EVE.
Note that the Intel processor controls the frame buffer (and outputs the electrical signals to the LCD), and the GeForce only renders into the frame buffer, so you can't completely disable the Intel processor. However you can choose which one does the rendering. |
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Force Of Creation
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.15 09:48:00 -
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Tau, I did everything as you said, but it still shows Intel HD Graphics in the EvE options menu. By the way, i'm trying to launch exefile.exe from /eve/bin folder. |
Cela Kashuken
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:23:00 -
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To help with the switchable graphics issue, what I had to do on my notebook was go into the BIOS and have it set to not dynamically switch based on application. Now what it does is it goes to the Intel card when not actively plugged in and switches to the ATI when plugged in. Perfect for me.
Also I'd say the overheating issue seems like the worse issue to me. Are your fans kicking in when it starts to overheat (before it shuts down)? I'd say a call to the OEM might be in order either way. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.10.15 17:01:00 -
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Force Of Creation wrote:Tau, I did everything as you said, but it still shows Intel HD Graphics in the EvE options menu. By the way, i'm trying to launch exefile.exe from /eve/bin folder.
it's lying because of "how" the Intel and nVidia cards are seen by the computer. ignore it and play as normal. Just keep in mind that you may have to turn things down, as the "nVidia GeForce 560M" card you have is really more like a 540 or 550 desktop card. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Force Of Creation
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.15 20:59:00 -
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its 630m. and its weird, cuz the game it self is not that demanding, and my GeForce is capable of running more demanding games without overheat. Therefore, i assume that the game is not changing the cards automatically. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.10.16 00:20:00 -
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yeah, it can ... but again, mobile cards are terribad.
EVE System Reqs
According to nvidia, your card falls into the "GTS" range, which (normally, IIRC) means it's middle of the road in their offerings (GT being the worst, and GTX being the bext). Effectively you're about par with an upper 500-series GTX card (or a little worse, since it's a laptop). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.10.16 04:27:00 -
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Force Of Creation wrote:its 630m. and its weird, cuz the game it self is not that demanding, and my GeForce is capable of running more demanding games without overheat. Therefore, i assume that the game is not changing the cards automatically.
EVE is a far more graphically demanding game than World of Warcraft. Sure, WoW has more polygons to draw, but they are mostly single texture with few effects. In EVE just about every polygon has a texture, then four layers of effects piled on to cover glossiness, metallic sheen, bump maps, luminosity (for shield/armour boosting) etc. In some cards the CPU ends up doing a lot of work too, simply because some of the shaders will be done in CPU software rather than on the GPU. There are scenes in eve with dust clouds which will bring even the meanest GPUs to their knees. Most people handle the problems by turning down detail, zooming out (so no models are rendered), or simply turning the camera away from the stuff causing overheating.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Force Of Creation
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:29:00 -
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ok, thank you all for your answers. I presume, that maybe my computer is too dusty or old or something. It is somehow overheating with other games as well. Thanks for all the support, safe space travels!
FoC |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:49:00 -
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Force Of Creation wrote:ok, thank you all for your answers. I presume, that maybe my computer is too dusty or old or something. It is somehow overheating with other games as well. Thanks for all the support, safe space travels!
FoC If it is any consolation, I've killed 2 laptops playing EVE.
Gaming Grade Laptop #1: On-board power supply smoked out of warranty. Gaming Grade Laptop #2: Replaced video card under warranty once, but second time it fried was out of warranty.
I now only play EVE on a desktop PC (GTX 690), and use my newest non-gaming laptop (GT 640M) for changing skills at lowest settings. Cooling is the Achilles heel of all laptops. |
J'Poll
Second Battlegroup Nerfed Alliance Go Away
2396
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Posted - 2013.10.18 05:54:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Force Of Creation wrote:ok, thank you all for your answers. I presume, that maybe my computer is too dusty or old or something. It is somehow overheating with other games as well. Thanks for all the support, safe space travels!
FoC If it is any consolation, I've killed 2 laptops playing EVE. Gaming Grade Laptop #1: On-board power supply smoked out of warranty. Gaming Grade Laptop #2: Replaced video card under warranty once, but second time it fried was out of warranty. I now only play EVE on a desktop PC (GTX 690), and use my newest non-gaming laptop (GT 640M) for changing skills at lowest settings. Cooling is the Achilles heel of all laptops.
I can play EVE on my 4 / 5 year old laptop though I do prefer my gaming rig. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Force Of Creation
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.18 07:33:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Force Of Creation wrote:ok, thank you all for your answers. I presume, that maybe my computer is too dusty or old or something. It is somehow overheating with other games as well. Thanks for all the support, safe space travels!
FoC If it is any consolation, I've killed 2 laptops playing EVE. Gaming Grade Laptop #1: On-board power supply smoked out of warranty. Gaming Grade Laptop #2: Replaced video card under warranty once, but second time it fried was out of warranty. I now only play EVE on a desktop PC (GTX 690), and use my newest non-gaming laptop (GT 640M) for changing skills at lowest settings. Cooling is the Achilles heel of all laptops. :D thanks, but I cant afford to get a new laptop now. Thus I rather leave the game to pilots who has proper system. |
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