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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.16 08:05:00 -
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Of course of the what....5 8/10s I've for done lately I've gotten nothing but overseers and a couple webs.
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.16 08:22:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Ivain Freir wrote:In your calculations, do you take in account the sov bill, the time spent on conquering and/or defending the sov especially the hasle of cross-timezone fights ?
To me that's seems fair that plexing in Null is far more profitable than doing missions in empire, as the task is far more difficult ? It was "secure" for you because goonies are securing their space, so, because others were doing the biggest part of the job. The reason I posted this was not to say null doesn't deserve extra bling but to try to dispell the myth that is commonly posted on this forum that high sec missions are better or more profitable than null sec. There are even suggestions sometimes that null seccers come to high to run missions to support their null play. Given that combat sites are so easy, require no standings and generate better bounties alone but also offer these billion isk bonanzas in loot quite often I find that really difficult to believe.
No one said the potential isn't there. What the issue is that with all of the interruptions that living in null entails.....hot drops, campers, roaming gangs etc, you often make MORE in high sec, and yes I have an alt in high as well.
....oh and you have to hold your space, generally of all you do out here is rat you get removed. My corp had always been that way, many others are add well.
So you took a day trip and got lucky. Bully for you.
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.16 08:52:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:TharOkha wrote:Onictus wrote:
No one said the potential isn't there. What the issue is that with all of the interruptions that living in null entails.....hot drops, campers, roaming gangs etc, you often make MORE in high sec, and yes I have an alt in high as well.
....oh and you have to hold your space, generally of all you do out here is rat you get removed. My corp had always been that way, many others are add well.
So you took a day trip and got lucky. Bully for you.
Interesting. I have been ninja ratting/plexing in null/wh many times and i have earned much much more than doing hisec L4s nearly every time. Yes you need to know how-when-where,but thats the price for higher income. And while L4s have some limitations in isk/hr, if you know how to beat isks from null NPCs, earnings overwhelms L4s in isk/hr by several magnitudes. Oh and i operate in hostile space always since im not a member of any political powerblock in EVE. Yes i lost several ships but compared to what i earned so far...well....f*ck hisec L4s. Part of the appeal is always going to be down to the drops. I mean sure, the cash they can bring is tasty, but it's the intrigue as to what they will or won't drop that appeals to me. It's the same reason I float around Null, hacking cans - the money per hour can be worse than mission running, or sometimes it can be a lot better, but it's mainly because I get a grin across my face when I find faction BPCs. With High Sec Lvl4s it's just a god damned grind with nothing to spice it up with.
100 mil an hour isn't terribly hard......if left alone.....which is rare right now.
But I can make 60/hr in high sec while in fleets with a high sec alt with borderline ships and 250 mil of raven AND not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it.
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.16 09:36:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Onictus wrote:not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it. Wormholes are your friend, specifically those that lead straight to highsec. Lowsec holes are more common and work fine if you are close to a quiet highsec entry.
For ten months out of the year I am under war dec, not flying around Jita with a couple billion in a blockade runner. Wormhole or not.
Hence hi sec alts,because it's a waste of time chasing the market hub campers.
It's quicker to have a hauler alt staged and just jump to low. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:05:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Onictus wrote:Zappity wrote:Onictus wrote:not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it. Wormholes are your friend, specifically those that lead straight to highsec. Lowsec holes are more common and work fine if you are close to a quiet highsec entry. For ten months out of the year I am under war dec, not flying around Jita with a couple billion in a blockade runner. Wormhole or not. Hence hi sec alts,because it's a waste of time chasing the market hub campers. It's quicker to have a hauler alt staged and just jump to low. Drop it at the first highsec system you enter and use public courier contracts to get it to the closest hub, then to Jita. It costs less than 1% of the collateral amount.
You don't get it high sec is 28 jumps away.....That is with jump bridges. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:17:00 -
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No, I don't get it. Highsec is ONE jump away if you find the right wormhole, a wormhole in null that leads straight to highsec. Alternatively, a more common wormhole that leads to a quiet lowsec system very close to a highsec system.
Little miracle called a carrier, jump to low, fly out in with a neutral alt.
I'm not wasting 2 hours fishing for holes that may go in right direction. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:33:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Onictus wrote:Quote:
No, I don't get it. Highsec is ONE jump away if you find the right wormhole, a wormhole in null that leads straight to highsec. Alternatively, a more common wormhole that leads to a quiet lowsec system very close to a highsec system.
Little miracle called a carrier, jump to low, fly out in with a neutral alt. I'm not wasting 2 hours fishing for holes that may go in right direction. Well done, you have a carrier. Your initial post was whinging about the supposed difficulties of ratting in nullsec, namely getting the loot out. Here, I'll post it for you: Onictus wrote:But I can make 60/hr in high sec while in fleets with a high sec alt with borderline skills and 250 mil of raven AND not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it. So you rat in highsec because getting everything back from null is a real pain. Wormholes are a way around this for people who don't have carrier or jump bridge support. Which you do. So what's your problem? Maybe you are just argumentative by nature.
Because cynoes don't light themselves, so yes it's aggravating. I don't really like bearing, its a waste of time I could be doing something useful.
Not to mention at 16-18 mil per trip it's not something you do daily if you can avoid it. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.16 14:34:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Some reality to the situation:
1. Run first two stages of FSP 2. Spend fuel and time getting capital to final stage 3. Loot 100m worth of OSE
^^more worth your time to mission
1. Run first room of _____ 2. Run second room 3. No faction spawn, shoot stuff, no escalation
^^more worth your time to mission
1. Run first room of ______ 2. Run second room 3. Faction Spawn! Yay! Dropped....a tag 4. Escalation Yay! 5. Fly to first escalation 6. Run first esc 7. No faction spawn, oh well on to next one! 8. Fly to second esc 9. Run second esc 10. A faction spawn!! Dropped....tags. 11. Well, at least it escalated, right? 12. Fly to third escalation, by now you are in some NPC region, drone lands, or jove space. 13. Run third (final this time) esc 14. Barely tank it, but as expected all is well, 3 hours later. 15. Loot...100m OSE. Or a 70m hardener.
Methinks you haven't completed enough exploration to truly see the pattern. It is essentially make-work gambling, and the payouts are great, if you get them. When you don't, you sincerely wish you had spent the time doing just about anything else. No the bounties are not that good, if people even ran exploration for the bounties.
Great you had some luck but don't get peoples' hopes up expecting 1b/hour because that's not the reality.
On the other hand, I absolutely love this thread, since it may bring juicy loot pinatas like that ishtar into a region near me!!
Only thing missing is the two hours setting up cynos all over three regions to chase that escalation....and40 mil or so in topes.
.....hope you have a lot of room to roam around because its a real ***** trying to work out of cloaked carrier because you don't have a POS in system.
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 00:19:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:that the reason why goons never do PvP, they just grind for ISK, I see that **** each day
thats the reason why i started shooting their loot bombing those gurista wrecks and killing their noctis
I free them from this greed
Hey smart guy
http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
You are looking in the wrong place (per usual) |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 00:22:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:45 minutes,just finished it - Phat Lewtz ---- My Cargo and TagsOh yeah... PS don't bother trying to kill me cause I'm AFK to go to work :)
In 7RM-N0 at last report. |
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:14:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Onictus wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:45 minutes,just finished it - Phat Lewtz ---- My Cargo and TagsOh yeah... PS don't bother trying to kill me cause I'm AFK to go to work :) In 7RM-N0 at last report. Yeah I think you Goon peeps are a little overextended. Barely a Goon around to keep the riff raff out. Really, why would anyone pay to rent your space when they can just zip around using it for free.... meanwhile you guys pay the sov bills Doesn't seem 'fair'.
Renters are paying those bills.
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 02:50:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Quote: In the end, all you are is the guy at the street corner shouting gibberish wearing a tinfoil hat, like the rest of them. not really, because it's true, the rest isn't a reply just.. something.. only people who deny it are the one profiting from it, there is no isk to be made in high sec unless you're a nullbear with an alt which multiple posters have already confirmed themselves as such. "high sec has better isk because no risk" nah because you won't dare to take a risk, like the high sec bear who logs out after a wardec a nullbear will log out but to his mission alt in high sec.. only risk to be found is in low sec, it's like somalia over there. but i'm ranting here already don't care either way nothing will change, just stopping people from crying "nerf highsec" to think they got it right.
Tell that the arazu that has been chasing me around.
Nope no risk in null sec. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 04:48:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote: I'm serious, if earning more than 3$ an hour is an issue you have no business paying for this or PVEarning the play money for it. God. Dammit.
On the same token, you only really get to buy isk in game because its the lesser of two evils, pay CCP and they make profit from what is essentially buying an advantage in a competitive sandbox or not offer plex and have the game ruined by farmers, botters and cheaters. I could make a very good argument that if you don't have time to play a full game of football, you shouldn't really be playing football and definitely not paying off the referee for 'favourable' calls. if you don't have time for something competitive, buying your way through it is pretty lame, as soon as you pull out the CC you've already lost. I have bought plex before because its 'easier' and I have money but I make no pretense about how lame it is. Benny Ohu wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:If you have been following the 6 month argument I have been having with certain people on this forum you'd know that I have previously it's amazing that after six months? you still don't comprehend the argument What amazes me is just how in denial some of you nullers are... remind me of a certain group that almost plunged the world into depression, can't see through you're own bias and self importance :)
Join an alliance and play by the rules and tell me how that works for you. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 09:35:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.
Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.
That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long.
I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 09:45:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Onictus wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.
Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.
That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long. I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs. Isn't that self defeating. You cant use your space because you need to be available to HAVE the space. What's the point of having it if you cant use it?
Fights.
I hate bearing, there are 20 things I would rather be doing. Ratting, Pos stuff, logistics....all annoy me, I'd.rather be shooting at someone. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 09:51:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Onictus wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Onictus wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.
Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.
That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long. I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs. Isn't that self defeating. You cant use your space because you need to be available to HAVE the space. What's the point of having it if you cant use it? Fights. I hate bearing, there are 20 things I would rather be doing. Ratting, Pos stuff, logistics....all annoy me, I'd.rather be shooting at someone. So come to lowsec. What's the point of null empires if the infrastructure just annoys you? If all you want is fights they are available without the bollocks.
I lived in low sec for a long time. It's boring. You spend tons of time looking for fights, little time fighting them.
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:02:00 -
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Charles Panzram wrote:Onictus wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.
Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.
That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long. I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs. So you are basically saying that you loiter around most of the day and are just too lazy to move around to find something. Just because there could be something to rep? Or because you need to have sufficient numbers to blob a 10 men roaming gang with 200 dudes? Last time I checked FA does next to nothing independently of their Goon overlords and at the moment there isn-Št much going on in form of a big war so whats preventing you from plexing yourself, ah right downright lazyness. So how many pos's do you have to rep on a regular basis? How many bridges? How many call to arms are given?
I'm hardly loitering, and there aren't many 10 man gangs in my neck of the woods, we have about 5 alliances that live in our npc pocket that make nuisances of themselves.
Between roams, defense fleets, and drops I can be fleeted up 75% of the time peacetime.....on war footing you can't keep up.
We don't CTA, but on average there are 3-4 posted ops p ee day plus whatever comes up in the middle. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:08:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Charles Panzram wrote:Onictus wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.
Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.
That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long. I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs. So you are basically saying that you loiter around most of the day and are just too lazy to move around to find something. Just because there could be something to rep? Or because you need to have sufficient numbers to blob a 10 men roaming gang with 200 dudes? Last time I checked FA does next to nothing independently of their Goon overlords and at the moment there isn-Št much going on in form of a big war so whats preventing you from plexing yourself, ah right downright lazyness. So how many pos's do you have to rep on a regular basis? How many bridges? How many call to arms are given? Well they do like to lose Titans and the odd CSAA on occasion so its not like they are doing nothing :)
More CSAAs than Titans of late......And there are a couple JB pos that have a few billion in stront into them at this point. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:27:00 -
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No there aren't, 10 guys can clear all of the combat sites out of a region pretty quickly.
Anoms are unlimited. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:39:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Onictus wrote:No there aren't, 10 guys can clear all of the combat sites out of a region pretty quickly.
Anoms are unlimited. Why aren't you guys running them. That pic I posted today looting the Maze was in a dead end next to what appears to be an abandoned system with a fully functional station. 2 jumps from that system and next to another apparantly abandoned station system is another dead end system, it had 7 sigs in it today, 5 of them combat sites, 2 military operations (C-Type / DG's) sigs, 3 fortresses. 2 systems down from that was another abandoned station system with a Pith Penal and some fortresses, Penals drop Pithum Adaptives 1.5 billion modules... there's combat sigs all over the place :) I did all those, after my 800 mill drop I got jack though, one of those bad runs, just a few hundred mill in OE and a couple of crap pith hardners.
Maybe because no one lives in Fade/Pure Blind, I it's three carrier jumps out more for most of the CFC to get to Fade, personally I have other things to do at home.
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Why aren't you guys running them
Its not reliable income. One week you can have them all to yourself then for the next six months everyone and their mother is doing them and you cant find any. Anoms is what most of us do as they offer level 4 income isk and can support a much greater population. However at this point you can be earning just as much from level 4s in near perfect safety so you might as well be there.
Exactly what I've been saying all along. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.17 11:06:00 -
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Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:I totally agree with this. I have read the forums and the players complaining about high sec L4's being an isk faucet compared to null sec, NOT!!! I have spent the last 2 months alone in null, working deep in Goon space within a five system radius running plexes. I only have a t2 loki with no bling and it's so easy and the isk is totally awesome. Most days I don't see a soul in local. It's just empty system after empty system with a ton of scannable sites and anoms to run when the better sites run out. Most days I can't even finish all the complexes due to limited playing time. Working with no friends in null is tough, but is very doable. I have paid for my cheap loki fit many, many times over and no one has ever tried to lock me. It does take a little time to find a niche place to call home, but the rewards are well worth it. Just remember, everyone is an enemy. For those of you that talk about sov bills, endless politics, alliance ops, etc... maybe it's possible that your power block has become too bloated? Maybe there would be less headaches for you and more free time to do what you want, if you controlled a smaller space? Just saying.....
Yeah you may notice that it's powerblock or NPC s space, take your pick.
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.18 08:59:00 -
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You think anoms are exiting?
Are you mad?
I got a few in this morning, it was a two hour yawnfest for maybe two hundred mil. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.20 12:07:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tauranon wrote:I'd say my results are very normal. I've run 5 piths, for 1 rattlesnake bpc, and 1 other item of loot of note. That is the normal experience.
Those stats are sig stats, not anom escalation stats. I've run a grand total of 335 anoms, for 2 commander spawns and 5 escalations. ie nullsec anoms tend to run at about a rate of 1 in 65 escalate. Pretty dull trying to trigger one that way, because most null anoms are > 10 minutes to clear. Nothing like dens in highsec are (which pi+Šata escalations like nobodies business, and can be done in 3 minutes). Given that my escalations are going to be in Zima if I'm lucky, or more often Red alliance space, meh, after travel and doing the covops/nullfier fit, they are rarely worth more than just shooting more anoms instead.
oh, and despite having to run up my system to military 1 with belts twice, I saw no belt commanders spawn, (just 2 haulers). You must have terrible luck. I'm only speaking of sig sites so maybe that's where you're getting confused. Even if you have terrible luck though, with around 35 million from the bounties and the OE you're getting 100 million isk. The Military Complex Operations site only has 3 rooms. My Ishtar fit as it is for covert cloak still manages to insta pop the destroyers, two shot or three shot the battlecruisers and while it does take a little bit to chew through the battleships I would say 15 minutes or less for the first and second room and the last room takes 2 minutes if you just pop overseer. So 30ish minutes for 100 million at worst, 30ish minutes for a billion or more at best. The majority of sites are like that, lots of npcs can be ignored entirely. Consider that a mission such as Worlds Collides take just as long, with a minute chance of faction loot, I think since they were introduced I got maybe 3 Shadow Serp modules worth no more than 50 million, no OE, no uber expensive modules, ninja looters, suicide gankers, objective stealers and there is absolutely zero comparison. These combat sites are ubsurdly easy, absurdly profitable and super safe.
Oddly I've run about 6 8/10s in a row without getting anything more valuable then a SS webifier.
You have having and amazing run of luck.
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.10.23 05:25:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:high-sec income simply doesn't scale across multiple accounts the way afk ishtars/navy vexors do.
you can easily run 5+ afk ishtars at 60m/h per account without needing any specialized multiboxing software or breaking a sweat.
this nearly linear scalability makes null-sec income vastly better than high-sec income.
Tell that to b the side running eight or something silly vindicators in incursion fleets. |
Onictus
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Posted - 2013.11.19 07:46:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:So it's "relatively easyer" for a non affiliated toon? There would be more effort put into catching an affiliated toon than a non affiliated one? From my experience? Yes. Especially against GSF. There's a lot of butthurt out there that can cause people to tunnel vision on certain groups. I, for example, will go well out of my way to screw with Nulli. They and I have a history. But not so much "more effort" as it would be more attention. Like or hate them, GSF is visibility personified. And they can't make a plexing alt that's not affiliated right? If you go to Nifflung in Metro, there's a direct WH from high to 0.0 into a dead end system which has a Blood 10/10 Naval Shipyard. Can't solo that one :) The ones I know run L4s or incursions in highsec instead, because it's better money and it's impossible to die if you are awake. Near parity in income, near total lack of risk, and more easily available routes to sell rewards add up to a pretty big incentive. Nowhere near parity in income. Its boring. Its not risky. There's no way I could plex 9 accounts running missions in highsec, even with multiple alts. Well unless I played all day which is not going to happen.
funny, my empire alt had turned over about 4-5 billion since you started this thread. Not counting the 2.2 million LP I'm sitting on.
That is single account by the way.
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Onictus
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Posted - 2013.12.16 16:09:00 -
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Batelle wrote:I think Ziona is exaggerating a bit. Ninja running null sites isn't too hard for the experienced and capable pilot, but you're also not really going to be finding 3-5 sites worth running per night either, unless you're spending serious time doing so. And even then most sites will take an hour or so.
Grossly.
Not like I used to live in Fade and Pure Blind or anything. |
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