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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2013.12.24 02:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Knights Armament wrote:Any amount of isk earning in complete safety is bad for the game high sec space is the trammel of eve online, however getting fitted for pve in eve online costs significantly more than it did in uo, I could pve with gm crafted stuff, and a silver katana, so the risk of losing gold was not nearly as much.
In eve you need to risk a lot to pve effectively in low security, the problem isn't that high security provides a better income and less incentive to go to null, the problem is that ccp has increased the cost of pve in null in order to earn more money through plex sales. No the problem is that CCP has nerfed null income repeatedly over the years while it has buffed high sec income while also making high sec safer and null more dangerous. We are now at the point where high sec provides better income and as close to perfect safety as you can get in EVE. CCP needs to do the same to missions as they have done to PI, exploration and ice mining.
I agree null income should be better than null sec, but its largely risk free thanks to gate camps. http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
414
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Posted - 2013.12.24 02:26:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:baltec1 wrote:Knights Armament wrote:
Yeah or you could load up a carriers cargo hold and jump to a low sec system and move the loot from a hauler you have docked.
Something that you cannot do solo, costs a fair amount of isk, still requires you to ship your goods a longer distance, cannot be mostly done while still ratting and takes a lot more time. Its not that challenging, you could probably use a covert ops cloaking ship with covert jump drive to move **** around too.
You've completely lost the thread of the debate. the point is someone was trying to explain to me that sisters LP costs time to cash in. I pointed out that its so small that its immaterial, and you've yet to describe any reason why I would change my mind on such, and you've also yet to describe why nullsec loot would have similar amount of time associated with getting it to market. it doesn't.
We are all perfectly happy to concede that its possible to get x-types to market safely, as I plainly do get x-types to market, but it is plainly more effort than sisters LP, and costs me more isk/hr than does marketing sisters LP.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9167
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Posted - 2013.12.24 02:29:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:
I agree null income should be better than null sec, but its largely risk free thanks to gate camps. In certain systems, covert proteus and interceptors aside.
The only gate camps are in the handful of null/high boarder systems. For the last 2 years roaming gangs have been everywhere and these days frigate gangs and blops fleets are all over the place. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7144
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Posted - 2013.12.24 02:39:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:I have looted 0.000000000000 cloaking devices from gurista nullsec rats, and even if I did, turn over of cloaking devices here is small, and pirate infested lowsec is not where I'd naturally seek to market highsec missionbear items like x-types.
I've looted a few Dread Guristas Cloaking Devices. They're really not worth much. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2013.12.24 02:57:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Knights Armament wrote:baltec1 wrote:Knights Armament wrote:
Yeah or you could load up a carriers cargo hold and jump to a low sec system and move the loot from a hauler you have docked.
Something that you cannot do solo, costs a fair amount of isk, still requires you to ship your goods a longer distance, cannot be mostly done while still ratting and takes a lot more time. Its not that challenging, you could probably use a covert ops cloaking ship with covert jump drive to move **** around too. You've completely lost the thread of the debate. the point is someone was trying to explain to me that sisters LP costs time to cash in. I pointed out that its so small that its immaterial, and you've yet to describe any reason why I would change my mind on such, and you've also yet to describe why nullsec loot would have similar amount of time associated with getting it to market. it doesn't. We are all perfectly happy to concede that its possible to get x-types to market safely, as I plainly do get x-types to market, but it is plainly more effort than sisters LP, and costs me more isk/hr than does marketing sisters LP.
sisters lp is popular now because its new ships and content, once null sec gets something new that will be more valuable http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3667
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Posted - 2013.12.24 04:28:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Tauranon wrote:Knights Armament wrote:baltec1 wrote:Knights Armament wrote:
Yeah or you could load up a carriers cargo hold and jump to a low sec system and move the loot from a hauler you have docked.
Something that you cannot do solo, costs a fair amount of isk, still requires you to ship your goods a longer distance, cannot be mostly done while still ratting and takes a lot more time. Its not that challenging, you could probably use a covert ops cloaking ship with covert jump drive to move **** around too. You've completely lost the thread of the debate. the point is someone was trying to explain to me that sisters LP costs time to cash in. I pointed out that its so small that its immaterial, and you've yet to describe any reason why I would change my mind on such, and you've also yet to describe why nullsec loot would have similar amount of time associated with getting it to market. it doesn't. We are all perfectly happy to concede that its possible to get x-types to market safely, as I plainly do get x-types to market, but it is plainly more effort than sisters LP, and costs me more isk/hr than does marketing sisters LP. sisters lp is popular now because its new ships and content, once null sec gets something new that will be more valuable
Like i said before,I don't know what some of you have to cling to something that is obviously untrue. The new ships and their BPCs just added to things, it don't create anything new. You can look at the price indicies for sister's items in game to see this if you want.
You and other clinging for dear life to the idea that it's some kind of bubble caused byt the ships is frustrating because it means you aren't interested in the truth.
The Thukker Tribe didn't get any ships like SOE did, please explain this honestly if that's possible.
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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2013.12.24 04:39:00 -
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I see numbers listed, but what I don't see is the volume of items selling, something may be worth those prices, but it doesn't mean you'll sell it right away. It is all speculation, prices change hourly in eve. http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
415
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Posted - 2013.12.24 04:55:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:I see numbers listed, but what I don't see is the volume of items selling, something may be worth those prices, but it doesn't mean you'll sell it right away. It is all speculation, prices change hourly in eve.
http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=28796#history
set it 180 days history, press view and you'll get a feel for how many LG nomads you can dump on jita.
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
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Posted - 2013.12.24 05:38:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:I see numbers listed, but what I don't see is the volume of items selling, something may be worth those prices, but it doesn't mean you'll sell it right away. It is all speculation, prices change hourly in eve. Stop loudly proclaiming your ignorance in how to check the market in Eve. EvE central, and EvE market, are valuable tools for anybody wanting to check the market fluctuation of any item in EvE. It helps you figure out if someone is manipulating the item artificially, by scanning the history of sell, buy and median prices, along with volume traded. If you plop down 100 of thing Y and it has a daily volume of 3, you are not going to sell everything in the three days you have, before you have to buy a PLEX to keep your account subbed, no matter how low you set the sell price, or dumping to buys. Well maybe me if I can re-list and make more off your fire sale stupidity. "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3667
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Posted - 2013.12.24 05:40:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Knights Armament wrote:I see numbers listed, but what I don't see is the volume of items selling, something may be worth those prices, but it doesn't mean you'll sell it right away. It is all speculation, prices change hourly in eve. http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=28796#historyset it 180 days history, press view and you'll get a feel for how many LG nomads you can dump on jita.
Thanks, Although I think by now we know you're talking to a brick wall of denial.
Also, Yea Knight, it was all about the ships....... |
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
362
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Knights Armament wrote:Any amount of isk earning in complete safety is bad for the game high sec space is the trammel of eve online, however getting fitted for pve in eve online costs significantly more than it did in uo, I could pve with gm crafted stuff, and a silver katana, so the risk of losing gold was not nearly as much.
In eve you need to risk a lot to pve effectively in low security, the problem isn't that high security provides a better income and less incentive to go to null, the problem is that ccp has increased the cost of pve in null in order to earn more money through plex sales. No the problem is that CCP has nerfed null income repeatedly over the years while it has buffed high sec income while also making high sec safer and null more dangerous. We are now at the point where high sec provides better income and as close to perfect safety as you can get in EVE. CCP needs to do the same to missions as they have done to PI, exploration and ice mining. Its that risk vs reward crap you and yours are always spewing. Very little risk in the blue doughnut should net very little reward...but thats not the case is it? |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:19:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:baltec1 wrote:Knights Armament wrote:Any amount of isk earning in complete safety is bad for the game high sec space is the trammel of eve online, however getting fitted for pve in eve online costs significantly more than it did in uo, I could pve with gm crafted stuff, and a silver katana, so the risk of losing gold was not nearly as much.
In eve you need to risk a lot to pve effectively in low security, the problem isn't that high security provides a better income and less incentive to go to null, the problem is that ccp has increased the cost of pve in null in order to earn more money through plex sales. No the problem is that CCP has nerfed null income repeatedly over the years while it has buffed high sec income while also making high sec safer and null more dangerous. We are now at the point where high sec provides better income and as close to perfect safety as you can get in EVE. CCP needs to do the same to missions as they have done to PI, exploration and ice mining. Its that risk vs reward crap you and yours are always spewing. Very little risk in the blue doughnut should net very little reward...but thats not the case is it? There you go with that blue doughnut crap again. I suppose the fighting down south is just a publicity stunt, and no one is blowing up ships, or that inti gangs are roaming around everywhere in low/null. Meanwhile you sit in your NPC corp unable to be war-decked running missions in Highsec where the only worry you have is if your fit is going to attract gankers, but other than that, no worries am I right? So I should put you down for "F**k you, got mine" then eh? "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5351
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:52:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:baltec1 wrote:Knights Armament wrote:Any amount of isk earning in complete safety is bad for the game high sec space is the trammel of eve online, however getting fitted for pve in eve online costs significantly more than it did in uo, I could pve with gm crafted stuff, and a silver katana, so the risk of losing gold was not nearly as much.
In eve you need to risk a lot to pve effectively in low security, the problem isn't that high security provides a better income and less incentive to go to null, the problem is that ccp has increased the cost of pve in null in order to earn more money through plex sales. No the problem is that CCP has nerfed null income repeatedly over the years while it has buffed high sec income while also making high sec safer and null more dangerous. We are now at the point where high sec provides better income and as close to perfect safety as you can get in EVE. CCP needs to do the same to missions as they have done to PI, exploration and ice mining. Its that risk vs reward crap you and yours are always spewing. Very little risk in the blue doughnut should net very little reward...but thats not the case is it? There you go with that blue doughnut crap again. I suppose the fighting down south is just a publicity stunt, and no one is blowing up ships, or that inti gangs are roaming around everywhere in low/null. Meanwhile you sit in your NPC corp unable to be war-decked running missions in Highsec where the only worry you have is if your fit is going to attract gankers, but other than that, no worries am I right? So I should put you down for "F**k you, got mine" then eh? Hahahahha blue donut
n3 exists to destroy the cfc
the mittani's last mistake There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5351
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:55:00 -
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Maybe your alt posts triumphantly about how 80z% of eve is fighting goons.
maybe you're thinking about the n3pl blue donut, though they're fighting for a nonblue eve There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
93
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Posted - 2013.12.28 12:48:00 -
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I still don't know where can i make more money. I'm making billions running faction hideaways, do you guys think that i should try with forsaken hubs in null? Are they profitable? Need answers. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1243
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:06:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Maybe your alt posts triumphantly about how 80z% of eve is fighting goons.
maybe you're thinking about the n3pl blue donut, though they're fighting for a nonblue eve How can 80% of EvE be fighting Goons when 70% are in high sec / low / WH?
Is the propaganda machine set to Xtreme Or does a slowcat's drones multiply the count Is the dream really over, is the rent overdue Is your sea of blue nawt but a sea of tears Perhaps a kindly dev, a node crash, rollback To calm your Goonish fears?
Sorry I need to take my medication.... |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
1101
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Posted - 2013.12.28 20:42:00 -
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These threads brighten my day.
I mean think of all the effort spend into creating a 60 page thread that could be better spent towards volunteering at soup kitchens or solving world hunger.
Anyways... The problem is that people in Null think the deserve either more or that everyone else deserves less.
The have this cognitive disconnect that no matter what facts or logic you give them, they find some trumped up reason to negate that point.
Anyways I'm not bothered by it... Its the same logical fallacies that make people think all their success is due to personal hard work and not socio-economic factors that gave them opportunity in the first place.
Its a part of human nature to get mad when you see other people with things. I mean children do it all the time even when they have better things than what the other people have.
They just want more at the expense of other people. And they can't stand other people having anything at all.
Just like little children. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
846
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Posted - 2013.12.28 21:13:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Maybe your alt posts triumphantly about how 80z% of eve is fighting goons.
maybe you're thinking about the n3pl blue donut, though they're fighting for a nonblue eve How can 80% of EvE be fighting Goons when 70% are in high sec / low / WH? Is the propaganda machine set to Xtreme Or does a slowcat's drones multiply the count Is the dream really over, is the rent overdue Is your sea of blue nawt but a sea of tears Perhaps a kindly dev, a node crash, rollback To calm your Goonish fears? Sorry I need to take my medication....
+1 Superb! Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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