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Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.16 11:57:00 -
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Hi, this is a typical "What ship could/should i fly" thread...
I'm looking for a cheap (<1 bil) T2 fitted Ship to fly Level 4 Missions with.. ..I'd like to passive Shield Tank it and since im a bit lazy -> without much micromanagement.. ..Im flying a Gila in Lvl3s atm and i have a Rattlesnake to try out Lvl4s in 2 Weeks (training better Sentry Drones)
..i dont really care about the weapons im going to use.. i do like lasorz and missiles..but my current weapon skills are not worth mentioning so i dont mind completely training a new weapon system..
of course i could just check EFT and different loadouts to see which ships i could use.. but im kinda looking for experience for example: "im flying ship xy passive shield tanked in l4s and its a breeze coz..."
greetings
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
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Posted - 2013.10.16 13:19:00 -
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Well, the Rattlesnake can do it rather well..., have a look at this for a starter loadout C:
[Rattlesnake, newbieSink]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Sensor Booster II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Large Micro Jump Drive
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Warden II x5 Garde II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
Not as efficient as can be, but a worthy lazyboat. MJD once and use drones/cruises to shoot the crosses. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.10.16 13:39:00 -
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If you're looking to passive-tank a mission battleship, you're pretty much limited to the Rattlesnake and the Navy Scorpion - the Rattler has a larger native tank to work with, but they've both got the resist bonus tied to the Caldari Battleship skill.
Actually, though, with careful flying, that passive-tanked Gila of yours should be up to L4's. Its sentry DPS capabilities are well into the battleship range, and it can mount a shield tank on par with the Drake (less raw numbers, but it's got a smaller signature which lets it slip a lot of damage that would get through to a Drake or a battleship). A combination of purgers, hardeners, shield extenders, and one or two shield power relays (use the Meta-4 relays; they perform as well as T2's and are much less CPU-intensive) will give you enough resistance to clean-sweep most L4's if you just stay in motion (I like to orbit close to deployed sentries, so I can scoop them if they catch aggro). "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.16 14:42:00 -
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thanks for your replies..
i was already thinking about the Navy Scorpion and might buy that one after trying the passive Rattle (i want the T2 Launchers on a Missile Boat)
about the MJD.. i dont really like the idea of using a JumpDrive actually.. I'd prefer jumping in the room, deploying Sentrys and thats it..
thats why im thinking of using this Fit:
[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake: Efficient L4 Mission Boat] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 100MN Afterburner I Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I
is this fit still as effective as it claims to be? (i know the dps will be a bit less than 800 with my skills..but as i said im not looking for the highest ISK/Hour ratio) im already using the Meta 4 SPR btw. thanks for mentioning it
i really like the Navy Scorpion when i look at the attributes.. i want to avoid using faction modules tho ..do u think im fine with just T2 stuff on a Navy Scorp?
also: can i use the Scorpion in a similar way and passive tank it? going to play around with EFT a bit now, but maybe some1 tried this before..
cheers
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Pouzdani Patches
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.16 18:02:00 -
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Schmu Efrafa wrote:
i really like the Navy Scorpion when i look at the attributes.. i want to avoid using faction modules tho ..do u think im fine with just T2 stuff on a Navy Scorp?
Don't shy away from using faction modules on a faction ship. A bit of expensive tank goes a long way for a missioning battleship. Of course, I'm not saying you should overdo it and get ganked, but unless you go crazy on the X-types and officer mods or get multiple deadspace invulnerability fields, you shouldn't have safety concerns. Going for t2 only will gimp your tank a bit and I'm not sure if you can achieve your afk-missioning goals with it.
Additionally, don't shy away from MJD either. Distance-tanking is hella effective, so you won't have to have an overly tough natural tank if you utilize it. You just get in, MJD, drop sentries, and snipe from 100km, easy. It can additionally often rescue you out of tough spots, and help with moving around in some movement-heavy missions. |
Baggo Hammers
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Posted - 2013.10.16 21:40:00 -
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MJD is jumping in the room.
Be advised, the days of AFK drone missioning are over. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2013.10.16 21:45:00 -
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Now come the days of the Marauder. May they be blessed. |
Roseline Penshar
Illusory Superiority
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Posted - 2013.10.16 22:11:00 -
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typhoon for passive shield tanking, i use it for L4 it's not really good for isk/hr but it's an easy mode |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
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Posted - 2013.10.17 03:19:00 -
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Caldari Raven Navy Issue. Fit it with three rigors, Faction launchers and ballistic controllers, signal amplifier, sensor booster (range script) and a MJD. You can run a completely passive tank without the need for shield boosters (although a Gistii A-Type small shield booster is handy). With Sentries you'll be hitting for almost 1000 dps out to 175km+ easily. At that range, nothing touches you to be concerned with.
For passive modules I recommend the Gistum C-Type passive amplifiers, as most cost only slightly more than T2s. Two large shield extenders (T2 or Faction) then give you some nice anti-gank tank You should even have a slot for a microwarpdrive for getting around.
And if you get pinched (which happens occasionally in L4s), just light the MJD (since it can't be scrammed). For the ultimate in laziness train your auto-targeting missiles skills and switch to those.
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Now come the days of the Marauder. May they be blessed. I guess if you need Bastion to tank. I prefer to not need the tank in the first place. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:24:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Caldari Raven Navy Issue. Fit it with three rigors, Faction launchers and ballistic controllers, signal amplifier, sensor booster (range script) and a MJD. You can run a completely passive tank without the need for shield boosters (although a Gistii A-Type small shield booster is handy). With Sentries you'll be hitting for almost 1000 dps out to 175km+ easily. At that range, nothing touches you to be concerned with. For passive modules I recommend the Gistum C-Type passive amplifiers, as most cost only slightly more than T2s. Two large shield extenders (T2 or Faction) then give you some nice anti-gank tank You should even have a slot for a microwarpdrive for getting around. And if you get pinched (which happens occasionally in L4s), just light the MJD (since it can't be scrammed). For the ultimate in laziness train your auto-targeting missiles skills and switch to those. Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Now come the days of the Marauder. May they be blessed. I guess if you need Bastion to tank. I prefer to not need the tank in the first place.
The Navy Raven can definitely shoot missiles out to 175km, but if you've got 3 rigors and 8 launchers, sentries can't come into play until your target gets within 60km, assuming you've got perfect drone skills, because of drone control range limitations. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
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Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:43:00 -
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OP: Controversial, but what about a tengu? It's not technically passive tanked, but seeing as it's cap stable running a booster if fit right, it might as well be from an interaction point of view. Of course, it's not the most ruthless efficient level 4 boat and you have the unknown of the T3 rebalance but....just throwing it out there.
Undock, turn stuff on and forget about it. |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:56:00 -
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thanks for all the input..
of course i will try out the MJD.. ..this way i could fit more drone damage and i think u can use the "WARP TO" button when ur 150km away from a gate right? ..about the green and blue modules.. i want to get the navy Omnidirectionals atleast and keep the T2 tank if im using a MJD..
i just trained sentrys to III and will play around with the Gila a bit and see how sentrys in general feel like.. ..im aware that i have to return the sentrys quite often (depending on the mission)
..Im wondering if CCP is going to nerv the pirate faction ships tho.. read some stuff about rebalancing marauders compared to faction ships..will see how that turns out..
Quote:OP: Controversial, but what about a tengu?
i would like to fly a Tengu..it just takes a while to get the skills no?
cheers |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:58:00 -
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Depends on what you already have. About a month to get the subsystems to 4/5 where required and T2 missiles are pretty mandatory.
This is a decent fit even today: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/34086-Tengu-PvE-Minimum-Spec.html
Just...play in a fitting tool to see what you need and you dont need the bling |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.17 09:06:00 -
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haha.. i was just looking at exactly that fit :)
its a longer way to go for me to fly the tengu efficiently..but a nice goal aswell.. ..think im going to train all missile support, drone, shield to V and IV first tho.. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
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Posted - 2013.10.17 09:10:00 -
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Well, those are nice skills to have across lots of boats anyway
Rattler offers better options in general imo and is a mean SoB when you get bored and go active tanked. |
Dato Koppla
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.18 05:33:00 -
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Honestly if you're going to be at the computer and your internet connection isn't completely crap, I would avoid passive tanking. It's very slot-inefficient on Battleships and you usually end up way overtanked with not enough damage and projection making missions take ages.
I know it can be daunting to manage an active tank with a capacitor booster but honestly, it's not that hard at all, PvP and stuff like that is miles above it in terms of micro management. Once you get used to it using an active tanked ship in mission will be a brainless task but it comes with the added advantage of earning way more money than a badly fit passive tanked ship. |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate Hashashin Cartel
401
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:30:00 -
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This isn't exactly what you asked for but it's close. This is a variation of what I use to run plexes sometimes in null. It is absolutely not optimal, but it's cheap and has good DPS. I changed the rigs to CCC's so you can perma run one booster if you really wanted to. It'd be better to put rigors and flares there.
Mission specific hardeners would be better as well, but you said you were lazy so this will provide more than enough tank against all mission rats without swapping hardeners.
The cloak is for trolling null bears, you can remove it obviously.
[Raven, PVE Test]
6x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Cruise Missile) Dread Guristas Cloaking Device
2x Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Target Painter II Shield Boost Amplifier II
4x Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II
3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
5x Warrior II 5x Vespa II
If you don't have tech 2 missiles you can even downgrade the launchers ect and it'll still run missions well enough. There are of course far better options out there, but this one is cheap and easy.
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
315
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Posted - 2013.10.19 20:55:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Well, those are nice skills to have across lots of boats anyway Rattler offers better options in general imo and is a mean SoB when you get bored and go active tanked.
If you're active-tanking a Rattlesnake, would you base it on the T1 Raven/CNR active tank? (What with the seven mid-slots compared to the SNI's eight?) And how would you rig it? "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2013.10.20 03:55:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Caldari Raven Navy Issue. Fit it with three rigors, Faction launchers and ballistic controllers, signal amplifier, sensor booster (range script) and a MJD. You can run a completely passive tank without the need for shield boosters (although a Gistii A-Type small shield booster is handy). With Sentries you'll be hitting for almost 1000 dps out to 175km+ easily. At that range, nothing touches you to be concerned with. For passive modules I recommend the Gistum C-Type passive amplifiers, as most cost only slightly more than T2s. Two large shield extenders (T2 or Faction) then give you some nice anti-gank tank You should even have a slot for a microwarpdrive for getting around. And if you get pinched (which happens occasionally in L4s), just light the MJD (since it can't be scrammed). For the ultimate in laziness train your auto-targeting missiles skills and switch to those. Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Now come the days of the Marauder. May they be blessed. I guess if you need Bastion to tank. I prefer to not need the tank in the first place. Who said anything about bastion? The DPS these things can put out is pretty impressive. |
CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.20 03:58:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Now come the days of the Marauder. May they be blessed.
Nice one ... =D
OP Related: I think the Rattlesnake fits better with your request, it's a very versatile battleship that will go with you all the way while you get the sp to get the most of it.
Once you have more experience and better skills you can switch tank for gank and make it a beast. |
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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.21 02:01:00 -
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If you're looking for truly cheap, the domi can handle a decent enough passive tank for the vast majority of level 4s. Of course if your drone skills aren't up to snuff, you won't have the dps to handle it, but otherwise it works pretty well. Certainly cheaper than a rattlesnake. |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.23 06:11:00 -
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Quote:Honestly if you're going to be at the computer and your internet connection isn't completely crap, I would avoid passive tanking. It's very slot-inefficient on Battleships and you usually end up way overtanked with not enough damage and projection making missions take ages.
I know it can be daunting to manage an active tank with a capacitor booster but honestly, it's not that hard at all, PvP and stuff like that is miles above it in terms of micro management. Once you get used to it using an active tanked ship in mission will be a brainless task but it comes with the added advantage of earning way more money than a badly fit passive tanked ship.
..i might end up overtanking -> i am aware of that.. but i prefer having too much tank mainly because im lazy and i dont want to worry if i accidentally shot the trigger and aggro the whole room..
..about dps -> as soon as i can get Sentry II drones i'll dish out between 600 & 800 dps (depends on range).. that sounds decent to me
..im not planning on "badly fitting" the passive rattle..i want to fit good and isk/hour is not that important for me yet, first of all i want to be able to run Level 4 missions (all of them) without having trouble with tank
..since the rattle is waiting in my hangar already (15 more days for decent skills, my shield skills are already good) i'll definitel try out different fits active shield/passive shield/MJD gank and probably switch according to missions..
another question:
can i run every lvl 4 mission without much trouble with this fitting? (i'll switch hardeners to specific resists // fit AB if there's travelling) and again -> i dont mean isk/hour... i want to do the missions without warping out and get lvl 4 experience
Quote:Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invu II Navy Omni Navy Omni
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I
what do u think?
greetings
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Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
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Posted - 2013.10.23 07:23:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Well, those are nice skills to have across lots of boats anyway Rattler offers better options in general imo and is a mean SoB when you get bored and go active tanked. If you're active-tanking a Rattlesnake, would you base it on the T1 Raven/CNR active tank? (What with the seven mid-slots compared to the SNI's eight?) And how would you rig it?
Dont have a fitting tool handy but from memory (so keep that in mind on the numbers front below)
2x pwnages 2x omnis rigor II, rigor I, flare I 3x BCU 3xDDA cruise & DLAs tank to suit. No cap booster required
Same RoF as a CNR, same application as the "old" CNR (which many used including myself and never had issue with) and a large drone damage compliment too, on top of a frankly epic tank. The drones account for @60-66% of the DPS and have zero application issues. I might look at RHML come November though, thus freeing up the painters slots, not sure as my mind is on other things right now.
With imperfect skills (but 5% implants to RoF and cruises from my raven days) it's in the 12xx DPS ranges with gardes and 11xx with bouncers. Tank is anything up to 700-900+ burst (depending on levels of pimpage, nothing heavy).
I dont use it in missions with extensive travel time, but I suppose a pwnage could be traded with an AB/MWD.
I got to using it more around the buggy hull issues with NPCs as a "lost" drone volley hurt a LOT less than a lost CNR volley and discovered that actually, it's a bit of a brute. |
Salem Seth
Sienar Incorporation
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Posted - 2013.10.23 09:37:00 -
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I fly near the same setup but sometimes i switch a Shield Power Relay to a DCUII (dont know if 4-5% more res are important but i feel better with it). As Rigs i use 2 Purger and 1 Sentry Dmg actual there was only 1 Mission where my shild was down to 30%. In most Mission its easy with this setup but in bigger one (4k LP) you have to watch out for the trigger. In this missions my Sentrys getting attacked (Elite Cruiser, Frigs) so i have to pull out a fresh Sentry pack, due to that i was thinking about a Semi-Afkness MJD, warp into mission - klick on MJD - Put out Sentrys - Set Aggresive and Pull the aggro. But most setups i see have not much tank...for sure on 100km you dont need a big tank but i "feel" better if i have some.
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I (DCUII)
Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invu II Navy Omni Navy Omni
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I (Sentry Dmg) |
Fortis88
Caldari Salvage Corp.
23
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Posted - 2013.10.28 22:21:00 -
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So many garbage fits. Look I can show you a t2 FRIGATE than can tank lv 4 missions so well that you can literally take a nap and come back and your ship's tank is untouched. You can even sit still and tank and it will never go below 50% shields. I fly this ship all the time and I can build it for less than 50 million isk. You people need to have a little imagination. |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.29 00:22:00 -
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thanks Fortis88...
..but thats not what im looking for..
..im just guessing ur talking about the hawk..
..i would like to run level 4 missions with more than 600 dps tho and if i really wanna make slow isk while beeing afk i prefer mining in my procurer :)
..btw. im also not willing to pay for your information ;)
cheers |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
927
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:17:00 -
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Passive TFI. Ill make one now.
You can drink milk without drinking chocklate milk, but you can't drink choclate milk without drinking milk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bHLdYVELWrQ
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