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Lallante
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Posted - 2013.10.18 10:42:00 -
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Dear goons
Please never, ever, ever change.
New update on the siphon stats: Harvest 30 pages of goon tears per day . |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.18 10:43:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:To the people complaining this won't create conflict, the siphons will never generate conflict as long as the POS owner can use the guns to destroy them. APIs and notifications wouldn't increase conflict, only make it easier for people who don't monitor their space to maximize their profit. I don't think the issue is 'they are bad because they won't create conflict', so much as it is 'hey, CCP, you're claiming these will create conflict, and they blatantly won't.' Which is a subtle thing, but it's not the lack of content being the source of irritation, but the blatant failure of CCP to see the blindingly obvious way this plays out.
I think you both misunderstand the meaning of "conflict". |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.18 10:50:00 -
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Conflict driver 1
This should be blindingly obvious: very few people will destroy a siphon without checking/taking its contents first. Anchor a siphon, anchor a bubble, cloak just outside. Kill the POS gunner in an iteron who comes out to grab back his moon mins.
Conflict driver 2
Anchor a siphon, they destroy it with POS guns. When they go offline anchor another, they destroy it. Repeat. Sooner or later they will have to take proper precautions to stop you doing this, or give up and let you steal goo.
Conflict driver 3
Small gang X sets up siphons all over alliance Y's space. Prior to this mechanic, small gang X is essentially irrelevant to alliance Y, but now they are at least an annoyance and at best a many-hundred million isk a day sink that MUST be addressed by force
Conflict driver 4
Alliance X attacks alliance Y in a sov invasion. Alliance Y pays corp Z to go siphon EVERY R32/64 moon of Alliance X repeatedly. Alliance X loses income, or it's POS managers burn out. Alliance Y counterattacks.
Conflict driver 5
Alliance X RENTS moons in its space to Renter Y. Those moons get constantly siphoned. Either Renter Y gets pissed at Alliance X for not keeping the roaming siphon gangs out, or else it cant afford it's rent.
Theres an infinite number of other scenarios. This will be interesting! |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.18 10:50:00 -
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Miner Hottie wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:Arrendis wrote:Neave LaFontaine wrote:Anyone else notice the high level of goon tears in this thread? You know, it never ceases to amaze me that with GSF up over 10,000 people, to say nothing of the rest of the CFC, people see a half-dozen goons pointing out blatantly obvious flaws in mechanics (and/or trolling the people who inevitably crop up to defend anything purely because the goons say it's not a good idea) and decide that's a 'high level of goon tears'. Really? One of the largest, most active groups in the game, with a history of delving into the mechanics of the game looking for the loopholes and problems CCP refuses to see until GSF goes ahead and rubs someone's nose in it, has multiple people posting in a thread about mechanics - the very same people who post on all of these mechanics threads, no less - and you think that's somehow significant? Never underestimate the power of confirmation bias from the "elite PVP players who hate goons (which is most of them)" of eve. Let me put this bluntly, in terms of Sov war the CFC is the elite of Eve. Probably true.
Only because in Eve sov war numbers and timezone coverage >>>>>> all |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.18 12:49:00 -
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CCP SoniClover wrote:Hey guys, thanks for all the good feedback. Couple of things we're contemplating:
a) reduce waste factor from 20% to 10%
b) have a character limit on how many siphons you can deploy (i.e. have in space at the same time). This would probably be in the 5 to 10 range.
Let me know what you think.
NO to both ideas. The waste is essential to prevent this being zero sum. The waste factor means a siphon isnt pointless EVEN IF the original owner is able to empty it. 10% is too low.
The 5 to 10 limit means no-one will do this for ISK as the max ISK/hourOfEffort is too low (while the risk is high) - a typical scenario might give you 6 - 9 hours or siphon time before being discovered, of which the first 4 are merely recouping the cost of the siphon, leaving at 5 - 12.5m ISK profit per siphon in a day. If you can only deploy 5 thats a max of 60m profit with 50m worth of hardware at risk. Why would anyone do that instead of missioning in empire for an hour.
Instead, make it so that a ship equipped with a cloak cant deploy or empty a siphon, increase the siphon max storage to 5 days or so, and make it so siphons canot even be manually targetted by POS guns. |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:25:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:ITT: Goons trying to prevent a tool being released in a form which will allow them to endlessly grief others. Others write it off as Goon tears in their ignorance.
This is a peculiar thread indeed.
Sorry but goons are the single largest holder of high end moons. This is 100% about them protecting their income.
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Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:29:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Lallante wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:ITT: Goons trying to prevent a tool being released in a form which will allow them to endlessly grief others. Others write it off as Goon tears in their ignorance.
This is a peculiar thread indeed. Sorry but goons are the single largest holder of high end moons. This is 100% about them protecting their income. If you don't realize they have the people, budget, time and Will to siphon every moon they don't personally own, just for lulz, you are sorely underestimating them.
So what? If they do that they deserve the rewards.
The original Eve goons (that cared about lulz and tears) would have embraced this idea with open arms. The current, greedy bloated carebear fallacy that calls itself goonswarm being opposed to it just shows how completely ideologically bankrupt they've become. |
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