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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
769
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:55:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:Verdis deMosays wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:Verdis deMosays wrote:As a member of a small null alliance I love these changes. The siphons are an interesting idea and will be something I deploy on a regular basis with my Prowler. I think this will make for a lot more productive time gate camping too, since cloaky haulers will be in and out of null on a more regular basis to check on their little autonomous thieves. Also the Goon response has been priceless. Here's my reaction to it. http://www.ghostofthefuture.com/images/Ani2/UnfathomableSadness.gif Seeing as goons message has consistently been "this is OP we will abuse it till it is nerfed and it will be the little guys that get screwed" I think you will find that goons = Cartman in that image. Assuming you trust the opinion of the goonswarm, who have consistently shown themselves as an exploitive economic coalition. Honestly, if they are raising hell about how OP and unfair this is its a good sign to me that the existence of this item really worries them. The 74 pages of goon tears are pretty much proof of that. Assuming that CCP doesn't cave to the cries of the goons who control the majority of the moons worth anything I think the siphon will be a nice piratical way to break their hold on the T2 market. And before any goons or alts thereof start debating me on that, I'll just remind people of Hulkageddon and that time of GoonFun. who needs to trust goons? I don't trust them farther than i can throw an elephant, but I do trust the brain God gave me (since I actually use it unlike most of humanity) and the almost 2 decades of studying human behavior and almost as long studying economics. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how difficult the logistics of attacking any of the large well defended null sec alliance's pos with these siphons is vs attacking any of the small not nearly as well defended low sec entities with them. Also by mentioning the hulkageddon you are literally making their point for them because the permageddon was the final catalyst to making ccp actually rebalance the exhumers so they were worth using again due to how easy they were to kill by suicide gankers. I'll give you 1 guess which side the goons were on during the permageddon. If you have a low sec POS you'll be fine. Check it regularly, get your stuff back then shoot the siphon. This will mainly affect big alliances with many moons. The little guy will be fine. |
GodSentMe
Playing God Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:06:00 -
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as far as getting in to null with a cloaked t3 it is not hard, but most people seem to forget about wormholes. On my alt i regularly visit large alliance sov space with out any problems. I know you cant pick where you will end up but it makes getting in very easy. Once in and away from the boarders most systems are empty. It also makes it a good staging point to blops in to another section of space. So don't think creative players with a small sense of coordination are not able to disrupt moon mining empires in deep null. it will just take a little more effort then hitting a lowsec corp. |
EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1361
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:34:00 -
[1503] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:If you have a low sec POS you'll be fine. Check it regularly, get your stuff back then shoot the siphon. This will mainly affect big alliances with many moons. The little guy will be fine.
I'm going to save this quote for later. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5459
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:44:00 -
[1504] - Quote
Verdis deMosays wrote: Assuming you trust the opinion of the goonswarm, who have consistently shown themselves as an exploitive economic coalition. Honestly, if they are raising hell about how OP and unfair this is its a good sign to me that the existence of this item really worries them. The 74 pages of goon tears are pretty much proof of that. Assuming that CCP doesn't cave to the cries of the goons who control the majority of the moons worth anything I think the siphon will be a nice piratical way to break their hold on the T2 market. And before any goons or alts thereof start debating me on that, I'll just remind people of Hulkageddon and that time of GoonFun.
we tell the unvarnished truth because you won't believe us and it makes it even more hilarious when we're completely right for exactly the reasons we said we'd be right while you're spluttering in outrage about how dare the goonies abuse siphons
"I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5135
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:17:00 -
[1505] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Verdis deMosays wrote: Assuming you trust the opinion of the goonswarm, who have consistently shown themselves as an exploitive economic coalition. Honestly, if they are raising hell about how OP and unfair this is its a good sign to me that the existence of this item really worries them. The 74 pages of goon tears are pretty much proof of that. Assuming that CCP doesn't cave to the cries of the goons who control the majority of the moons worth anything I think the siphon will be a nice piratical way to break their hold on the T2 market. And before any goons or alts thereof start debating me on that, I'll just remind people of Hulkageddon and that time of GoonFun.
we tell the unvarnished truth because you won't believe us and it makes it even more hilarious when we're completely right for exactly the reasons we said we'd be right while you're spluttering in outrage about how dare the goonies abuse siphon when ccp nerfs it for them it will again be their victory There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Miner Hottie
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
47
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:21:00 -
[1506] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Omega Flames wrote:Verdis deMosays wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:Verdis deMosays wrote:As a member of a small null alliance I love these changes. The siphons are an interesting idea and will be something I deploy on a regular basis with my Prowler. I think this will make for a lot more productive time gate camping too, since cloaky haulers will be in and out of null on a more regular basis to check on their little autonomous thieves. Also the Goon response has been priceless. Here's my reaction to it. http://www.ghostofthefuture.com/images/Ani2/UnfathomableSadness.gif Seeing as goons message has consistently been "this is OP we will abuse it till it is nerfed and it will be the little guys that get screwed" I think you will find that goons = Cartman in that image. Assuming you trust the opinion of the goonswarm, who have consistently shown themselves as an exploitive economic coalition. Honestly, if they are raising hell about how OP and unfair this is its a good sign to me that the existence of this item really worries them. The 74 pages of goon tears are pretty much proof of that. Assuming that CCP doesn't cave to the cries of the goons who control the majority of the moons worth anything I think the siphon will be a nice piratical way to break their hold on the T2 market. And before any goons or alts thereof start debating me on that, I'll just remind people of Hulkageddon and that time of GoonFun. who needs to trust goons? I don't trust them farther than i can throw an elephant, but I do trust the brain God gave me (since I actually use it unlike most of humanity) and the almost 2 decades of studying human behavior and almost as long studying economics. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how difficult the logistics of attacking any of the large well defended null sec alliance's pos with these siphons is vs attacking any of the small not nearly as well defended low sec entities with them. Also by mentioning the hulkageddon you are literally making their point for them because the permageddon was the final catalyst to making ccp actually rebalance the exhumers so they were worth using again due to how easy they were to kill by suicide gankers. I'll give you 1 guess which side the goons were on during the permageddon. If you have a low sec POS you'll be fine. Check it regularly, get your stuff back then shoot the siphon. This will mainly affect big alliances with many moons. The little guy will be fine.
Cause 10 - 20% destroyed moon goo is nothing, you will recover all of the goo unless anyone else empties it and big alliances don't have 23.5/7 coverage of their space. It's all about how hot my mining lasers get. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
33
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:32:00 -
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Verdis deMosays wrote: Assuming you trust the opinion of the goonswarm, who have consistently shown themselves as an exploitive economic coalition. Honestly, if they are raising hell about how OP and unfair this is its a good sign to me that the existence of this item really worries them.
You're either pretty dense, pretty inattentive, entirely divorced from reality, or all of the above. Goonswarm DOES, in fact, have a tradition of economic exploitation...
...but I can't recall them ever being deceptive or misleading about that in any way. In fact, it's generally the EXACT opposite of deception. A pattern we've seen repeatedly has been as follows:
1. Goons call out a certain mechanic or gameplay aspect as being broken, going so far as to explicitly telegraph precisely how they will exploit the mechanic in its current form.
2. People with goldfish-memories and an anti-goon bias go, "HOOHOOHOO GOONS DON'T LIKE IT, MUST BE GOOD FOR ME!"
3. Goons exploit the ever-loving **** out of it to the detriment of the Goldfish, precisely as they said they would.
4. Goldfish throw a tantrum about how awful goons are, completely ignoring that the Goons were first in line to point out the problem.
5. CCP fixes it, Goldfish gloat about how unhappy Goons must be, now.
Frankly, the brilliant thing about the Goons is that there's a subclass of player that hates Goons so much that they will actively campaign against their own interests, so long as it allows them to contradict something a Goon said on the forum. |
Angus McRothimay
Ordo Aetemas Noctis
4
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:04:00 -
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Like many Eve players I like new toys.
Because it's a new toy I will buy a few of them and not worrying too much about their cost I will venture out to see it they are fun to play with - with the chance making money an added bonus.
Apparently the only thing I have to worry about is if there is anyone in the system with me - as they may be able to "man the guns" & kill the little sucker - but if no one is present then I'm-a-going-to steal your stuff
NOTE (1) If you have an unattended POS then my larceny may affect you
(2) if you have lots of them - the chance that it's your POS I'm stealing from will increase.
(3) If its fun I'm going to keep stealing your stuff even it I don't make any money |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
291
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:58:00 -
[1509] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: If you have a low sec POS you'll be fine. Check it regularly, get your stuff back then shoot the siphon. This will mainly affect big alliances with many moons. The little guy will be fine.
Yep I can see how 1 guy checking 5 towers 23/7 will definitely be more efficient than 10,000 guys checking 500 towers 23/7.
The big alliances are definitely getting the worst of this! |
Angus McRothimay
Ordo Aetemas Noctis
4
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:24:00 -
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xttz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: If you have a low sec POS you'll be fine. Check it regularly, get your stuff back then shoot the siphon. This will mainly affect big alliances with many moons. The little guy will be fine.
Yep I can see how 1 guy checking 5 towers 23/7 will definitely be more efficient than 10,000 guys checking 500 towers 23/7. The big alliances are definitely getting the worst of this!
5/1 = 5 500/10,000 = .05
No, actually it is 100 times more efficient to check 500 towers with 10,000 guys.
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
296
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:55:00 -
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Angus McRothimay wrote:
5/1 = 5 500/10,000 = .05
No, actually it is 100 times more efficient to check 500 towers with 10,000 guys.
Really?!!? |
Angus McRothimay
Ordo Aetemas Noctis
4
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:17:00 -
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xttz wrote:Angus McRothimay wrote:
5/1 = 5 500/10,000 = .05
No, actually it is 100 times more efficient to check 500 towers with 10,000 guys.
Really?!!?
Yes really ..... Unless the original statement was sarcasm and you really think it will be "better" for the big corps -- in which case you should try to understand that sarcasm is harder to convey in written communication than verbally. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
793
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:34:00 -
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xttz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: If you have a low sec POS you'll be fine. Check it regularly, get your stuff back then shoot the siphon. This will mainly affect big alliances with many moons. The little guy will be fine.
Yep I can see how 1 guy checking 5 towers 23/7 will definitely be more efficient than 10,000 guys checking 500 towers 23/7. The big alliances are definitely getting the worst of this! I think very few 1 man corps have 5 towers. And Goons will certainly not have 10000 people checking towers. What you are trying to do is fudge the reality with bogus math.
The reality is that the small corps will behave like the small shopkeeper. He works hard, keeps things spic and span because he relies solely on his one shop. Goons will behave like Wallmart employees.
The reality is the small guy has POS guns, checks his POS and will be fine. Goons, well let's say I spent a lot of time bookmarking GEWN towers over the last few weeks and they're spread right across CFC space, a lot are just large towers with no defensive weaponry at all full of silos and moon harvesting arrays. Ripe for the siphoning. |
Sgt Ocker
State War Academy Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:14:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:xttz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: If you have a low sec POS you'll be fine. Check it regularly, get your stuff back then shoot the siphon. This will mainly affect big alliances with many moons. The little guy will be fine.
Yep I can see how 1 guy checking 5 towers 23/7 will definitely be more efficient than 10,000 guys checking 500 towers 23/7. The big alliances are definitely getting the worst of this! I think very few 1 man corps have 5 towers. And Goons will certainly not have 10000 people checking towers. What you are trying to do is fudge the reality with bogus math. The reality is that the small corps will behave like the small shopkeeper. He works hard, keeps things spic and span because he relies solely on his one shop. Goons will behave like Wallmart employees. The reality is the small guy has POS guns, checks his POS and will be fine. Goons, well let's say I spent a lot of time bookmarking GEWN towers over the last few weeks and they're spread right across CFC space, a lot are just large towers with no defensive weaponry at all full of silos and moon harvesting arrays. Ripe for the siphoning. Good luck with that. Logistically, if your going to do it to try and make isk, your setting your self a huge time consuming task. If your doing it simply to try and grief them, lol. I'm glad it's your isk being wasted and not mine.
Goons certainly won't have 10,000 people checking pos's and why would they need to, 1 trial alt can monitor a pos quite well. Say GOONS / CFC does have 500 pos's, they are also around 40,000 strong so even if only 1 in 100 of those creates a pos alt to watch for syphon's, they will have more than enough to be able to watch over things. Then you have the roaming fleets and small gangs in their sov space, which is all connected via jump bridges, jump clones and intel channels.
I'm not saying don't do it, on the contrary, go for it and please post your results here in a few months time. I'd be really interested to hear how it goes.
NB; MANY small operators in moon mining have more than 5 towers as it is the only way to make running the cheaper reactions and unrefined reactions pay.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5478
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Posted - 2013.11.14 16:41:00 -
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Angus McRothimay wrote: Yes really ..... Unless the original statement was sarcasm and you really think it will be "better" for the big corps -- in which case you should try to understand that sarcasm is harder to convey in written communication than verbally.
you're right, there was no possible way to puzzle out that was sarcasm
shame on you xttz for being sarcastic in print without saying you were being sarcastic "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
314
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Posted - 2013.11.14 16:41:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
The reality is that the small corps will behave like the small shopkeeper. He works hard, keeps things spic and span because he relies solely on his one shop. Goons will behave like Wallmart employees.
ITT I learn that small shopkeepers work 23/7, ever vigilant and alert. |
Angus McRothimay
Ordo Aetemas Noctis
4
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Posted - 2013.11.14 17:29:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Angus McRothimay wrote: Yes really ..... Unless the original statement was sarcasm and you really think it will be "better" for the big corps -- in which case you should try to understand that sarcasm is harder to convey in written communication than verbally.
you're right, there was no possible way to puzzle out that was sarcasm shame on you xttz for being sarcastic in print without saying you were being sarcastic
Thanks for confirming the statement as sarcasm.
Personally I look forward to the syphon units, I can't wait to see all the low sec folks venturing into to null to suck moon goo, and in return all the null sec inhabitants descending on low to suck off the low sec dwellers - A veritable smorgasbord for all |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:29:00 -
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May siphons be deployed anywhere or only within 50Km of a POS? I don't care if they are not operational...
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Sgt Ocker
State War Academy Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.11.15 03:01:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:May siphons be deployed anywhere or only within 50Km of a POS? I don't care if they are not operational...
Hmmm, somewhat vague request here. Syphon's have a maximum operational range of 50K so putting 1 outside of this range will render it useless for anything more than target practice.
May I ask what the point of placing non operational syphon's might achieve.
You could place them as bait but then why not just place them within operating range and at least use it for syphoning while waiting for the rare moment you manage to catch an unsuspecting cloaky hauler stealing from it (well maybe not unsuspecting, if your in system while baiting your showing in local)
** I believe your question to be no more than an attempt at trolling (badly), if not I hope I was able to answer to your satisfaction. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
798
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:16:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:May siphons be deployed anywhere or only within 50Km of a POS? I don't care if they are not operational...
Hmmm, somewhat vague request here. Syphon's have a maximum operational range of 50K so putting 1 outside of this range will render it useless for anything more than target practice. May I ask what the point of placing non operational syphon's might achieve. You could place them as bait but then why not just place them within operating range and at least use it for syphoning while waiting for the rare moment you manage to catch an unsuspecting cloaky hauler stealing from it (well maybe not unsuspecting, if your in system while baiting your showing in local) ** I believe your question to be no more than an attempt at trolling (badly), if not I hope I was able to answer to your satisfaction. For baiting and popping those trial account alts? |
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Sgt Ocker
State War Academy Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.11.15 06:03:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:May siphons be deployed anywhere or only within 50Km of a POS? I don't care if they are not operational...
Hmmm, somewhat vague request here. Syphon's have a maximum operational range of 50K so putting 1 outside of this range will render it useless for anything more than target practice. May I ask what the point of placing non operational syphon's might achieve. You could place them as bait but then why not just place them within operating range and at least use it for syphoning while waiting for the rare moment you manage to catch an unsuspecting cloaky hauler stealing from it (well maybe not unsuspecting, if your in system while baiting your showing in local) ** I believe your question to be no more than an attempt at trolling (badly), if not I hope I was able to answer to your satisfaction. For baiting and popping those trial account alts? I doubt you will see unskilled trial alts leaving the pos they are monitoring but good luck with that.
You might get lucky (or very unlucky if your alone) and run into a fleet which a trial alt has called in to destroy the syphon. That is if they even bother as the syphon is harmless anyway, although both it and you will generate kill mails, so good chance they will show up.
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Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.11.15 06:44:00 -
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xttz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
The reality is that the small corps will behave like the small shopkeeper. He works hard, keeps things spic and span because he relies solely on his one shop. Goons will behave like Wallmart employees.
ITT I learn that small shopkeepers work 23/7, ever vigilant and alert. My experience of running a small pos network (topped out at 4 large, with two of us doing maintenance) as a newer player was that only my main had the skills to move stuff around, the trading skills and rep to buy and sell at Jita with low taxes. I spent a huge amount of time running level 4 missions close to Jita so I could market trade to make the pos network profitable, then more time shipping stuff around.
All time I wasn't at the POS. The other guy had a job and a life so he wasn't camping the POS either.
The first time I rage quit to skill training online was due to those POS, although granted that was back when it took time to online every single damned silo.
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1860
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Posted - 2013.11.15 09:43:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:May siphons be deployed anywhere or only within 50Km of a POS? I don't care if they are not operational...
On Sisi currently it won't let you deploy a siphon at all further than 50k or closer than 30k to a POS. |
Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
136
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:20:00 -
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Vatek wrote:Making these 20m3 in size and having no limit on how many can be placed on one tower is a horrible design decision. One pilot in a blockade runner could seed a nullsec region with hundreds of these and shut down all moon mining income until the owners of the towers show up to pos gun them all to death.
Then they can just go get more and do it again and again and again.
Thats the idea actually.
No more Absentee POS owners |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
388
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:43:00 -
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Krystyn wrote:Vatek wrote:Making these 20m3 in size and having no limit on how many can be placed on one tower is a horrible design decision. One pilot in a blockade runner could seed a nullsec region with hundreds of these and shut down all moon mining income until the owners of the towers show up to pos gun them all to death.
Then they can just go get more and do it again and again and again. Thats the idea actually. No more Absentee POS owners
so let me get this right... POS owners now cannot participate in 99% of the game they pay monthly to play because they have to constantly be removing siphons off their POS's?
sounds like a balanced game mechanic that definitely wont pressure people to unsub. |
Sgt Ocker
State War Academy Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.11.22 07:13:00 -
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Has anyone seen a syphon on a pos yet?? |
Vicisci
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:25:00 -
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Is there a way to know a siphon unit date and deployment time, for myself and other pilots that deploy it and want to send the information? |
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple
222
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Posted - 2013.11.25 06:08:00 -
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I'm loving the people blubbering in this topic, keep it up guys, cant wait to steal your stuff |
NearNihil
Every time is Fuwa time
70
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Posted - 2013.11.26 15:54:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:Krystyn wrote:Vatek wrote:Making these 20m3 in size and having no limit on how many can be placed on one tower is a horrible design decision. One pilot in a blockade runner could seed a nullsec region with hundreds of these and shut down all moon mining income until the owners of the towers show up to pos gun them all to death.
Then they can just go get more and do it again and again and again. Thats the idea actually. No more Absentee POS owners so let me get this right... POS owners now cannot participate in 99% of the game they pay monthly to play because they have to constantly be removing siphons off their POS's? sounds like a balanced game mechanic that definitely wont pressure people to unsub. Let me tell you about the lack of bubble immunity on Blockade Runners. And about the recently buffed dictors. And about how an entire region can be defended against this sort of thing with sufficient people.
But who am I to tell a CFC pilot one of many solutions to a problem? |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter The Kingdom of Heaven
74
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:07:00 -
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NearNihil wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:Krystyn wrote:Vatek wrote:Making these 20m3 in size and having no limit on how many can be placed on one tower is a horrible design decision. One pilot in a blockade runner could seed a nullsec region with hundreds of these and shut down all moon mining income until the owners of the towers show up to pos gun them all to death.
Then they can just go get more and do it again and again and again. Thats the idea actually. No more Absentee POS owners so let me get this right... POS owners now cannot participate in 99% of the game they pay monthly to play because they have to constantly be removing siphons off their POS's? sounds like a balanced game mechanic that definitely wont pressure people to unsub. Let me tell you about the lack of bubble immunity on Blockade Runners. And about the recently buffed dictors. And about how an entire region can be defended against this sort of thing with sufficient people. But who am I to tell a CFC pilot one of many solutions to a problem? ya all those bubbles in low sec on everyone's pos...oh wait there arent any oh and all the superb intel gathering in lowsec....oh wait there arent any ohhh dont forget the 30mm scan resolution on pos warp scramblers being able to lock anything smaller than a titan before it can warp off....oh wait they cant <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
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