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Telur Melante
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Posted - 2006.01.31 04:20:00 -
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Title says it all, right now I mine with a Navitas, I also have a Tristan I use for some fighting, and an Iteron mk I. Should I bother going to a destroyer to increase my mining capacity, or just go straight for cruisers? Right now the cruisers seem a little expensive...I only have about 3 million to my name.
Thanks. :)
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Gallenlicious
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Posted - 2006.01.31 04:44:00 -
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THe cruisers will be more versitile and make nice miners.
A destroyer can be ok if you have the skills, but you probably don't have great skills yet as you are new.
AN imicus is a nice mining frigate. 320 cargohold and can fit 2 miner turrets.
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Charlotte Gallfour
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Posted - 2006.01.31 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Charlotte Gallfour on 31/01/2006 04:59:23 What security area are you mining? The navitas is a great ship to pair with an iteron or your fellow corp mates in a mining crew. It has natural bonuses for mining laser output and can equip two mining lasers as well as a drone for defense. You seem set for now. Destroyers are good for low-sec where the powerful or more numerous pirates etc. You need to think about why you're buying this ship. --- "Let me do the buying while you do the dying." |
SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.31 05:00:00 -
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Since you're using Gallente vessels, the Vexor makes a very nice miner with mining drones, but as you said it's a bit beyond your capacity.
If you're feeling a bit adventurous, try this: mine a bit in your Navitas, then jettison the ore. Open up the can, and keep mining. Just move the ore you mine from your hold to the can. Then, when you get a few thousand units, head back to station and get your Iteron. Come back, retrieve the ore, then head back out in your Navitas and repeat.
People could come and steal your ore, but you can move a lot of ore this way if you insist on mining. Combat's always more fun though. -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
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Telur Melante
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Posted - 2006.01.31 05:06:00 -
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Yep, I've been mining into a can. Usually with a friend, though occasionally not. Mostly in 0.6 space, started on some 0.5 today, but some of the rats are a little much.
Pretty much my only reasoning for buying a destroyer would be to increase my mining output, therefore making more isk/hour, therefore being able to get a cruiser sooner (since I'm relatively poor right now).
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.31 05:09:00 -
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Nah. You're better off saving up for a Cruiser directly - it won't take too much to train up for a Vexor, and the Vexor has a large enough drone bay to hold five mining drones AND five Medium Attack Drones to fight off the nasty .5 rats. Wonderful ship, the Vexor. -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
Player of the character "Andre Ricard". |
Telur Melante
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Posted - 2006.01.31 05:14:00 -
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Alright. And is there anything I can do which is more profitable than Navitas mining so I can get up the money to buy one?
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.31 05:20:00 -
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If you have a decently-skilled-up Tristan, hunting NPCs in .6 and .5 systems could bring in some decent cash.
Minerals used to sell higher in some areas, but with the recent rush of macrominers, common mineral prices have gone way down. -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
Player of the character "Andre Ricard". |
Telur Melante
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Posted - 2006.01.31 05:30:00 -
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Reasonably, I guess. I have two 150mm rails and a standard launcher mounted on it, it seems to do pretty well.
I'll give that a try anyway. :) Thanks for the advice!
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Telur Melante
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Posted - 2006.01.31 05:43:00 -
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Oh also, when I get to that point, what is a good setup for a mining Vexor?
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.31 06:22:00 -
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If your skills are high enough 4 T2 Mining lasers, 5 Medium Combat Drones, 5 Mining Drones, and anything you want/still have room for in the meds and lows. -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
Player of the character "Andre Ricard". |
Kazid
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Posted - 2006.01.31 09:26:00 -
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After some calculation I did go for keeping the destroyer for mining while getting my skills to the level I will need to operate a cruiser.
Heres my reason: The Navitas can fit a Miner II and a named Miner I (which I get dropeed regularly). Even with the Mining Bonus from Frigate level that gets up to 200m^3 (mining at 4), but tops out there. Mining drone in the bay helps out for some more m^3. A rat spawn in the belt has you running though as you have no defence.
The Catalyst on the other hand can fit 4 named Miner I (you need CPU's for that but you have the slots). add a mining drone and you are in the 225m^3 range (with mining 4). You maybe even fit an additional weapon for self defence, and you have much more shield and armor to soak up some damage from a rat. The Catalyst is very versatile and with a slight reduction to mining can pack some real punch so you can mine savely in belts with regular rat spawn. (0.5). (the CPU-less layout easily gets you 150m^3 mining yield (with mining 4)).
To top the catalyst's ability you need a cruiser and the skills, I prefer to train some other skills up before I go for the cruiser (i.e. learning, some social,refining maybe). I also got industrials up to 3 to reduce the need for hauling trips, level 2 is only a few hours, level 3 maybe a day. Very worthwhile. And put some giant secure containers in your favorite belts so you can mine for a while and leave your ore in place until you make the go around in your Itty. 1-2 sec can fill your Itty I and it is save.
Enjoy the game. Kazid
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Telur Melante
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Posted - 2006.02.03 21:29:00 -
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Just wondering if I could get another opinion - I've been having a lot of people telling me to go with a Thorax instead, because Vexors are somehow gimped. Is this true?
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Telur Melante
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:49:00 -
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Anyone?
I was also told that the Thorax is a lot more well-rounded than the Vexor. I'd like to make a good decision, considering how crazily expensive these ships are. :)
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Incident
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Posted - 2006.02.04 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Telur Melante Anyone?
I was also told that the Thorax is a lot more well-rounded than the Vexor. I'd like to make a good decision, considering how crazily expensive these ships are. :)
It depends on what you want to use it for.....
The Vex is a drone boat: You get 10% bonus/lvl for done mine yield/damage and hitpoints. So you can fit 5 miners and 5 medium combats. The Thorax doesn't have any drone bonuses, but still has space for 5 mediums.......
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.04 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Telur Melante Anyone?
I was also told that the Thorax is a lot more well-rounded than the Vexor. I'd like to make a good decision, considering how crazily expensive these ships are. :)
I'd say the opposite.
The thorax has a small cargo, fewer drones, and is much more designed around being a fast blastership than mining. -- Proud member of the [23].
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Incident
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Posted - 2006.02.04 12:33:00 -
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As I said depends what you want to use it for......
Let your drones do the work, or get up close and personal At the moment I'd prefer the drones to take the flak/mine as I'm just starting out and building up the isk for something I can get my teeth into ie PvP
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Telur Melante
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Posted - 2006.02.04 18:14:00 -
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Alright, I gotcha.
In that case, would this be a good mining loadout, excluding drones?
Highs: 4 x Miner II Med: 10mn afterburner, cap recharger, survey scanner Low: Medium armor repairer, enough co-processors to fit everything.
For drones I'd imagine 5 miner Is, when trouble comes, retract them and send out combat drones...however I'm stuck on combat drones, don't know much about them.
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Incident
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Posted - 2006.02.04 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Telur Melante Alright, I gotcha.
In that case, would this be a good mining loadout, excluding drones?
Highs: 4 x Miner II Med: 10mn afterburner, cap recharger, survey scanner Low: Medium armor repairer, enough co-processors to fit everything.
For drones I'd imagine 5 miner Is, when trouble comes, retract them and send out combat drones...however I'm stuck on combat drones, don't know much about them.
You can fit 5 mediums in the bay and as I said earlier the drone bonus for the Vex is good (10% to hit points/damage) and if you get Drones to lvl 5 you can use 5 drones and you can start training Drone Interfacing: "Allows a captain to better maintain its drones. 20% bonus to drone damage, drone mining yield per level". Of course the best about drones it doesn't use slots cap/cpu
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Roczenjka
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Posted - 2006.02.05 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Telur Melante Alright, I gotcha.
Highs: 4 x Miner II
I had a vexor for a few weeks (moved to Osprey as it's a better miner) and I think you cant have more than 3 miner IIs in there, especially at you and my levels. It's the CPU - it cant fit more than 3 on. I cant even squeeze 3xmII and 1xmI but I can do 3xMII and 1xBasic miner
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Nvali
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Posted - 2006.02.05 17:08:00 -
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Vexor can easily fit 4 miner IIs, you just need to add some co-processors in low slots and/or train electronics. I run 4 miner IIs and a mining upgrade module, took some training and a named co-processor to make the upgrade module fit decently.
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Bora Chinua
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Posted - 2006.02.05 20:36:00 -
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When I mined in a catalyst, I ran 5 xcel miners, two 75mm rails, enough cpu's in the lows to fit the 5 xcels. I ran this setup until I got my retiever.
Problem with this is that the xcels are expensive also - something like 500k each.
But the destoryer also runs level 1 agents very easy.
Hope this helps
In your service,
Bora Chinua, the grey wolf
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More Ahn
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Posted - 2006.02.05 20:56:00 -
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I believe the Thorax was a good mining ship back when it still had an oversized drone bay. With the new smaller bay, it's not so good, especially since the Vexor has a bonus to mining drone efficiency. |
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