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archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.19 18:51:00 -
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Alright so this idea will bring more subs, ISK to the economy, and revenue for CCP, and make everyone happy.
Now that I have you're attention.
CCP allow players to sell their SKILL POINTS on the market in some sort of injectors with desired quantity they wish to part with, since I'm sure there are a lot of people that don't need all the SP'S. Than buyers can inject them for their own benefit, or do anything they please.
Players than can buy skill points with ISK for their newly created characters and friends that want to invite and play EVE with. Nice part is it all stays within EVE and its economy. I'm sure there are players with 100 mil + SP out there that don't need so many points.
To make long story short lots of people should find this very beneficial to existing game in many aspects. I could go on and on about but Id rather leave this up to players and devs to discuss or perhaps this was suggested in the past. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3467
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Posted - 2013.10.19 19:02:00 -
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Older players sell skillpoints to their alts... then they only apply it when the newest fit of the month comes out.... and then sell it back to their mains when another fit of the month comes out. Basically it allows for "instant training" into whatever it is you desire.
This would benefit older players FAR more than it would benefit newer ones (Malcanis' Law).
It also smacks of pay-to-win. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.19 19:22:00 -
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you make good point yet no one says you can do this endlessly, just like for example with attribute / remaps, you get 2 than its one a year after that
This idea can be molded in various ways with benefit to everyone. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3470
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Posted - 2013.10.19 19:40:00 -
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You bring up another problem... it makes attributes fairly pointless.
Min/max your attributes to one skill type... train up all those types of skills as max SP/hour... sell it off to your alt... and then have your alt do the same. Never again will people with multiple accounts ever have to train below 2700 SP/hr and reap the yearly benefits while those who don't have multiple accounts can never do the same.
But you do bring up a fair point. Ideas can be molded and adapted so that ill effects and problems can be minimized... however that isn't always possible with every idea as often a plethora of restrictions and arbitrary mechanics would have to be added (which has the potential to infringe on the "freedoms" of the sandbox and would cause issues for people who enjoy those other systems as they are). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Yolo
Yolo Corp xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2013.10.19 19:49:00 -
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This would get exploited to hell by people starting multiple accounts and transfer skills to 1char. - since 2003, bitches |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:08:00 -
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any idea can be exploited if developed incorrectly, need to approach everything with open mind and not in a negative way |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:24:00 -
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archon o'v wrote:any idea can be exploited if developed incorrectly, need to approach everything with open mind and not in a negative way
Oh, but we will abuse it. We will twist your idea into perversions that have never graced your darkest nightmares. That is what we do. There is no way to develop something completely abuse proof, especially something we can use to farm SP so easily. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:33:00 -
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When you see a thread entitled "Great Idea!" you just know it's anything but. |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.20 01:06:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:When you see a thread entitled "Great Idea!" you just know it's anything but.
very constructive criticism is always welcome
try harder next time |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.20 01:24:00 -
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Look guys, I wont dwell on this subject forever, this is an idea, suggestion with endless possibilities that can be molded into something really cool.
like it or hate it
if CCP considers to do something with it and takes it next level.. more power to them!, this is suggestion forum after all
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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
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Posted - 2013.10.20 02:05:00 -
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SP issues are one of the things that ward off newer players, and this idea would have a limited potential for abuse. If I PLEX 10 alts so I can fly a dread in two months is that any different than buying 20 plex and getting a character from the bazaar?
$$ for SP is a very divisive issue, and likely wont be expanded because of that. It would for better or worse change the community, which might not be a bad thing since (as I'm sure you see by now) some of the community is snide and pretentious. If I were CCP I would worry about losing good people though.
+1 to you for skirting the usual $$ to SP anti-argument "WELL EVEN IF YOU BUY A CHARACTER SOMEONE TRAINED THAT SP THE HURD WAY"
Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur.-á |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
242
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Posted - 2013.10.20 10:28:00 -
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archon o'v wrote:Look guys, I wont dwell on this subject forever, this is an idea, suggestion with endless possibilities that can be molded into something really cool.
This is just another skill point respec idea and all those ideas are just plain bad. Use the search feature next time you think you've gotten a 'great' idea.
archon o'v wrote:like it or hate it
I hate it, with a vengeance.
archon o'v wrote:if CCP considers to do something with it and takes it next level.. more power to them!, this is suggestion forum after all
CCP has their issues but even they aren't as mad as to ever implement skill respec in EvE. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:25:00 -
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archon o'v wrote:Alright so this idea will bring more subs, ISK to the economy, and revenue for CCP, and make everyone happy.
Now that I have you're attention.
CCP allow players to sell their SKILL POINTS on the market in some sort of injectors with desired quantity they wish to part with, since I'm sure there are a lot of people that don't need all the SP'S. Than buyers can inject them for their own benefit, or do anything they please.
Players than can buy skill points with ISK for their newly created characters and friends that want to invite and play EVE with. Nice part is it all stays within EVE and its economy. I'm sure there are players with 100 mil + SP out there that don't need so many points.
To make long story short lots of people should find this very beneficial to existing game in many aspects. I could go on and on about but Id rather leave this up to players and devs to discuss or perhaps this was suggested in the past.
Sorry but this is a terrible idea; i have already suggested a different, BALANCED approach in my own thread i started. Give us 1 unallocated attribute point for every year of a characters age, or so (at ccp's discretion)
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Ix Method
Misfit Strategic Contractors
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:07:00 -
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archon o'v wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:When you see a thread entitled "Great Idea!" you just know it's anything but. very constructive criticism is always welcome try harder next time Why waste more words when they got it bang on?
Travelling at the speed of love. |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:22:00 -
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Sable Moran wrote:archon o'v wrote:Look guys, I wont dwell on this subject forever, this is an idea, suggestion with endless possibilities that can be molded into something really cool. This is just another skill point respec idea and all those ideas are just plain bad. Use the search feature next time you think you've gotten a 'great' idea. archon o'v wrote:like it or hate it I hate it, with a vengeance. archon o'v wrote:if CCP considers to do something with it and takes it next level.. more power to them!, this is suggestion forum after all CCP has their issues but even they aren't as mad as to ever implement skill respec in EvE.
when was last time you suggested anything thread worthy?, oh wait you didn't ..so carry on |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:23:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:archon o'v wrote:Alright so this idea will bring more subs, ISK to the economy, and revenue for CCP, and make everyone happy.
Now that I have you're attention.
CCP allow players to sell their SKILL POINTS on the market in some sort of injectors with desired quantity they wish to part with, since I'm sure there are a lot of people that don't need all the SP'S. Than buyers can inject them for their own benefit, or do anything they please.
Players than can buy skill points with ISK for their newly created characters and friends that want to invite and play EVE with. Nice part is it all stays within EVE and its economy. I'm sure there are players with 100 mil + SP out there that don't need so many points.
To make long story short lots of people should find this very beneficial to existing game in many aspects. I could go on and on about but Id rather leave this up to players and devs to discuss or perhaps this was suggested in the past. Sorry but this is a terrible idea; i have already suggested a different, BALANCED approach in my own thread i started. Give us 1 unallocated attribute point for every year of a characters age, or so (at ccp's discretion)
Elvis, your idea wasn't even your idea, you even said it was suggested before ,you just posted in your own words and got flamed ..lol |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:24:00 -
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Ix Method wrote:archon o'v wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:When you see a thread entitled "Great Idea!" you just know it's anything but. very constructive criticism is always welcome try harder next time Why waste more words when they got it bang on?
if you got nothing logical to contribute don't even bother posting |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
258
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:51:00 -
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No... just no.
One of the reasons people like EVE in the first place is that you need to spend time on your characters and plan their skill training. Your idea would just lead to people buying plex -> getting ISK -> buying skillpoints
If you don't have the patience / attention span to train your own skillpoints, you should probably be playing another game.
Btw, from the original post... "Alright so this idea will bring more subs, ISK to the economy, and revenue for CCP, and make everyone happy."
How would this bring more ISK to the economy and why exactly would that be a good thing...? |
NiGhTTraX
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
252
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Posted - 2013.10.20 17:52:00 -
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archon o'v wrote:Alright so this idea will bring more subs, ISK to the economy, and revenue for CCP, and make everyone happy.
archon o'v wrote:like it or hate it
People start shooting down your idea, some more constructively than others. They also point out that it's been suggested before and inform you that there is a search function in the forums that you could use to find the other related threads
And then...
archon o'v wrote:if you got nothing logical to contribute don't even bother posting
Yeah, way to go. I like your way of handling feedback.
Also...
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:When you see a thread entitled "Great Idea!" you just know it's anything but.
If you're gonna post here thinking your idea is the greatest thing since bacon and that it will save EVE and possibly all humankind with it, you're gonna have a bad time. |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:44:00 -
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NiGhTTraX, I'm not saying this is the greatest idea, its great in my opinion solely on the skill point subject and it offers certain perks for the game economy / subs in general.
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Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.20 19:03:00 -
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dont think its a good idea it discourage good skill planning imo |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
469
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Posted - 2013.10.20 22:36:00 -
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archon o'v wrote:any idea can be exploited if developed incorrectly, need to approach everything with open mind and not in a negative way
Your forum tank just collapsed. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Krios42
Unified Combatants Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2013.10.20 22:49:00 -
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Please fix the title of this post, I had no idea what I was coming to see.
This isn't a good idea IMO. It's just going to lead to pay to win. Buy plex, buy SP. Mr.CCP might be looking at this and thinking more revenue, but in reality the number of people quitting when training becomes pointless is going to outweigh any extra plex income.
A possible alternative is the ability to 'swap' skillpoints with other players. for example, someone with 256k sp in marauders can swap their SP with somebody with say, 300k in black ops bs (I have no idea what skill that is). So player 1 ends up with 0 sp in marauders and 256 in blops bs's and player 2 ends up with 44k sp in blops bs and 256sp in marauders.
Ofc SP can only be traded into a skill which both player satisfies all the prerequisites.
I realise it would need refining, but its a better way to do what the OP is suggesting. ISK can't be involved or you end up with a pay-to-win situation.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6425
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:19:00 -
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Misleading thread title.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
224
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:47:00 -
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So, use PLEX to make a character, have them train stuff, and give it to yourself. You could have all the skills in a few month.
Pay-to-Win Infinite Skill Training
No thank you.
Play the game for a few years and you will want them to add skills to the game.
I'm ecstatic about dual (and soon triple) character training. A long-term second character without the second account commitment. It has the benefits that you are looking for with the fairness to older players. There is so much you can do:
Dual train PvP and industry. Dual train PvE and trading. Triple train PvP/PvE, industry, and trading.
Make a low SP PvP alt for RvB free-for-all fun. |
Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
590
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:05:00 -
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He doesn't always post ideas on the Eve forums, but when he does, he posts Pay-To-Win |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:46:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:He doesn't always post ideas on the Eve forums, but when he does, he posts Pay-To-Win
hahah!
honestly I'm really against pay to win environment, this was merely something that can be improved of course, just like you wont eat plain slice of bread, knowing you have all the other right ingredients to make a very delicious sandwich |
paritybit
Repo.
268
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Posted - 2013.10.21 19:33:00 -
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It might make more sense if you limited it. For example, if you said that you could take a single skill from your character, pack it into a syringe and sell it to another player then it wouldn't be free skillpoints for whatever you like.
This would have two benefits: people who are upset they have "extra" skill points in skills they don't want could bottle them up for sale and people who want a particular skill could go out and buy it. The skill prices change with supply and demand. Somebody would bottle up Carrier V for instance and that would probably be worth a lot. But if somebody bottled up Industry III you probably wouldn't have many takers.
Then make the syringes (or bottles or whatever you call it) into a player producible item of varying levels (L1, L2, L3, L4 and L5). Instant skill market [re]vitalization. |
Quintessen
Messengers of Judah Socius Inter Nos
212
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:02:00 -
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paritybit wrote:It might make more sense if you limited it. For example, if you said that you could take a single skill from your character, pack it into a syringe and sell it to another player then it wouldn't be free skillpoints for whatever you like.
This would have two benefits: people who are upset they have "extra" skill points in skills they don't want could bottle them up for sale and people who want a particular skill could go out and buy it. The skill prices change with supply and demand. Somebody would bottle up Carrier V for instance and that would probably be worth a lot. But if somebody bottled up Industry III you probably wouldn't have many takers.
Then make the syringes (or bottles or whatever you call it) into a player producible item of varying levels (L1, L2, L3, L4 and L5). Instant skill market [re]vitalization.
This, at least, has some potential, but it still is abusable given enough people involved in the market. At some point the missing skills for high-SP characters will come up. Still it's an improvement over the original suggestion. |
Marexlovox
BLOMI BricK sQuAD.
9
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:27:00 -
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Training skills is part of the learning curve in eve, to see what skills you really didn't care to train versus the ones you will use. This idea will ruin eve if it were to be brought to the game. I say no. |
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