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Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:12:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Obviously not for afk mining, but if you spent 1000s of hours teaching people and writing guides, getting rich on the market, forming and leading a corp (leadership skills,etc.) don't you think it would be a waste not to mention this? Or is that just tooo sad?
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Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
7
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:18:00 -
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Kara Trix wrote:Unless you're trying to work for a Gaming company.............. NEVER DO IT..... NEVER ....
I've owned computer retail stores for over 20 years and I've hired all types of IT guys, and I would see it as a distraction to work and nothing more. If you programmed code for CCP, then put that.
Only a game dev... would see a value in your understanding game mechanics.
This. Anyone willing to pay you a salary wants to see a r+¬sum+¬ that paints a picture of your experience, capabilities and aptitude. Playing video games displays none of the qualities employers are looking for. At best it's taking up valuable real estate, at worst it's a turn off.
I hide all traces that I like video games from my social and professional life in the interest of making more money and respect. So far it's worked great.
**Volunteering for community services and supporting good charities will go much further in the interest of landing a job if you must put extra curricular activities on your CV. |
Deja Blue
Vimana VII
25
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:26:00 -
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Why IBM Hires World of Warcraft Gamers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiRzmg6ggtw
Why I would hire a WoW player instead of an MBA from Harvard: http://bigthink.com/videos/how-world-of-warcraft-could-save-your-business-and-the-economy-2
Admittedly...EVE is the game you want your prospective MBA employees playing, hehe.
I would do it if it fits the job and just talk about it. |
Cosmar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.06 06:47:00 -
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I'm an EvE player and a game programmer and if you showed me a CV where EvE happens to be mentioned among other hobbies i would shrug and maybe think "cool, maybe we can play together sometime". But if you put it under experience and wrote more than two words about it in your CV i'd just laugh at you and throw your CV away. Playing games is fine, but if you're one of those "EvE is real" types you better have a rich grandmother or something cause no employer wants that.
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Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:39:00 -
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I did put EVE not in my CV but i mentioned it when i had an interview for my new job as something you could call a job very high up in a company as a ProductManager responsible for e plethora of Products involving Psychology and Sociology.
The person i talked to is not a gamer but quickly realised that eve is not a normal game either. I could explain her in a few sentences why my hobby will be a very valuable asset to the company. Especially the understanding of how a Market works that works with a full Supply / Demand chain... Afterwards she was very interested in learning more about the economics of EvE.
People who tell you you shouldnt mention it either can't break the game down for someone who isn't a gamer (not an easy task anyway) or simply don't play the game in a way where it would benefit them in a job. As a trader / invester / production line operator on a more complex level you would be stupid not to mention what ou do. If someone doesn't understand the value in this he's not something you should work with, it's that simple.
As i'm also hiring people if someone would put it into their CV other than under Hobbies i'd clearly ask why he/she thinks this is relevant for the job. If the explanation is good its a plus, if not, it's not just like with everything else. |
Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:43:00 -
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Dyscordia wrote: This. Anyone willing to pay you a salary wants to see a r+¬sum+¬ that paints a picture of your experience, capabilities and aptitude. Playing video games displays none of the qualities employers are looking for. At best it's taking up valuable real estate, at worst it's a turn off.
I hide all traces that I like video games from my social and professional life in the interest of making more money and respect. So far it's worked great.
That is simply not true. That attitude feeds the stigma that it's worth to be hidden, i can't help you if you think "halo 3" on a CV is not different from "EVE - Managing Production Lines / Trading / Investing in a Persistent Universe with up to 50k concurrent Users at the same Time with a full Supply - Demand Chain.
It also largely depens on what kind of job you're applying to. If you want to work as a cashier in mc donalds then i agree. However, on alot of jobs where you deal with People and the Market in General this can be VERY valuable. You just have to be able to word and articulate it proper. |
Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:25:00 -
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I think your CV should be slightly different for every job you apply for and everything on it should have its purpose. In some cases though I don't think that it is wrong to remember that it is a two way street, you are looking for the right employer as much as they are looking for the right employee - it isn't one sided and you can filter out the employers that you don't want by using your CV.
In an earlier life I did get to pick through CV's and it was a benefit if a person seemed three dimensional in some way, staff have to get on with other staff so there is some sense in showing that you do have interests and don't return home to sleep in a coffin.
I have got an interview before largely on the strength of getting a credit on BF2142 map and various mods because I was able to use that experience as a jumping off point to show how I was able to work in a team etc. However 'I play Battlefield' would not have had the same effect. Obviously I didn't get the job because I was far too good for them, or something like that.
Now I am starting to apply as a mature, well, over thirty, computing graduate and it is challenging to know what the right thing to do is. I am studying the companies I apply for, if its a games company then you'd be an idiot not to show an interest in games on your CV but if it is financial services type of stiff upper lip professionalism is relevant then I might select responsibilities like a dog or a child. I think Eve is probably going to come up for me as I have time to kill, a book on MongoDB and hundreds of market orders that I could analyse - its not wasting time, its expanding my skill set. If I make a tool for Eve then that is part of my portfolio showcasing my talents where as 'I play Eve' is really like saying 'I type in Word' or 'I add up in Excel' - what else would you do with these products. I used product x to achieve such can be a way of killing many birds with one stone. |
Sidrat Flush
Deadly Harmony
154
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:57:00 -
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There seems to be quite a large amount of gamers who look on their hobby as a negative? I wonder why that is. Perhaps it's their personal behaviour that leads to a negative view on fellow gamers, being tardy and or tired at work for example.
However it IS a waste of time putting the name of the game on to the CV. As others have mentioned you can definitely list the skills and abilities that EvE online has helped you to develop - and there are great examples listed in the last four pages.
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Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:36:00 -
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Sidrat Flush wrote:There seems to be quite a large amount of gamers who look on their hobby as a negative? I wonder why that is. Perhaps it's their personal behaviour that leads to a negative view on fellow gamers, being tardy and or tired at work for example.
I wonder exactly the same, i think we've come a LONG way and we're on the brink of getting rid of the nerd = negative stigma... but it also requires some actual efforts from gamers. I never had a problem so far but i'm also very self confident in how i lay it out to other people, i basically don't give them the chance to ridicule it.
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
445
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:45:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I did! I guess that's uh... kinda different though
Will you on the next one though ? |
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Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:10:00 -
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Some might see a guy who will play EVE at work or till late night. Daily. |
RaZZZZia
Dead poets society The Laughing Men
8
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:52:00 -
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i am involved in recruitment processes in my company and have seen my share of horribad ones, so id like to share another thought:
be very careful about what to putt under hobbies in general. as some have already mentioned, tailor it after the company youre appliying at. however, put seomthing in your cv besides plain work related facts, any decent interview has a fair bit of smalltalk in it, and interviewer and interviewee need material for that.
so if you put it in, be prepared to talk about it.
that goes for eve, that goes for any sports. no future employer wants they guy who comes late to work becuase of that 3am cta, same as noone wants to hire that extreme sports nut that will be hospitalized for 6 out of 12 months most likely.
and make something up to fill that part of the cv either, if you put in your love for xyz type of literature, and you get caught by not really knowing any of it, it shed some unfavorable light on the thruthfulness of the rest of your cv.
and finally, its always a gamble. if your application gets filed under r for recycling, its almost never only one factor. if you hit it of with the guys who will interview you, the form of your cv is pretty secondary.
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
6
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:44:00 -
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only read some, I would say, if you had been running something like vile rat had (RIP) and this large diplomatic network, working with people of different cultures and jobs everyday, it might be relevant depending on the job. I.e. you did diplomatic stuff in eve and were going to work for a company or gov in the diplomatic area. But I would say this could be better used as a 'mane a situation where you had to work with people you did not get along with' type of answer as oppose to something you add to your resume. Saying 'well I play a game, and I had to coordinate an event with people from 10 different countries, speaking 10 different languages, and we pulled it off without a hitch' might be an interesting point. But I would not make eve my main thing. Remember it needs to be relevant to the job. You would not make that you were a sign flipper on the side of the road the main point if you wanted an it job. |
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