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Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:23:00 -
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I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships . |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.11.02 15:48:00 -
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If you have enough SP to make clone prices a bother, you have enough SP to rat up enough money to pay for them in a short space of time. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
33
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Posted - 2011.11.02 16:48:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:If you have enough SP to make clone prices a bother, you have enough SP to rat up enough money to pay for them in a short space of time.
At first it's agreeable, but on the other hand the more SP you have (and older player you are) you will be PvPing more and dying more (especially for dictor pilots).
I think it's penalizing to older players who have stuck with the game to pay more just for playing longer. Yes they have the potential to make more ISK, but when you have to shell out 15-20m every time you get podded it wears down on you.
Not everyone who has played the game has billions in their wallet. Many are just as broke as the 3 month old newbie. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:18:00 -
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Pesadel0 wrote:I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships . Why should they? If you don't like the prices, take the risk and don't upgrade your clone.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
raney ilara
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:29:00 -
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Pesadel0 wrote:I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships .
I shouldn't be penalized because I like to mine ice... |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2011.11.02 17:51:00 -
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raney ilara wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships . I shouldn't be penalized because I like to mine ice...
I'm pretty sure you should. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.11.02 18:47:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Danika Princip wrote:If you have enough SP to make clone prices a bother, you have enough SP to rat up enough money to pay for them in a short space of time. At first it's agreeable, but on the other hand the more SP you have (and older player you are) you will be PvPing more and dying more (especially for dictor pilots). I think it's penalizing to older players who have stuck with the game to pay more just for playing longer. Yes they have the potential to make more ISK, but when you have to shell out 15-20m every time you get podded it wears down on you. Not everyone who has played the game has billions in their wallet. Many are just as broke as the 3 month old newbie.
20 mil isn't that hard to make though. Run a sanctum, belt rat a bit, loot a battlefield, run some incursions, there are loads of ways to do it. |
Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:45:00 -
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Well CCP lowered the clone price once so it is not really a first time, and my clone is 30M a pop so yeah , when i fly dictors in big fights i die often if not every time, i don-¦t think i should be more penalized just because i play for far longer than most people.. |
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:52:00 -
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Well, I have to say I agree with the OP. Sure 20mill is fairly easy to make, but I upgraded my clone recently, and I'll tell you stright, the 72mill price tag didn't excactly encourage me to go do the pirate epic arcs. That is to say, going off to pvp feels a lot less attractive.
Lowering the price would encourage more older players to pvp, and would remove one more obstacle from living in nullsec. Have you noticed how some ships are actually blue? Weird isn't it? |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:57:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships . Why should they? If you don't like the prices, take the risk and don't upgrade your clone.
yes, good idea.. and even if that goes wrong, you benefit from a cheaper clone next time |
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Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
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Posted - 2011.11.02 20:11:00 -
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Pesadel0 wrote:Well CCP lowered the clone price once so it is not really a first time, and my clone is 30M a pop so yeah , when i fly dictors in big fights i die often if not every time, i don-¦t think i should be more penalized just because i play for far longer than most people..
Yeah feel your pain man, but I either:
A) Accept the fact flying paper coffins, slosh ops, suicide ganks...there is a good chance i am going to end up paying for the pleasure.
B) Or participate in activities and fly ships that would reduce the chance of me having to cough up 30mil plus per clone.
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Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:31:00 -
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Easy. Don't update clones. If you have enough SP for clones to get expensive, just lose them to a point where they're no longer expensive. |
Skippidipp
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2011.11.03 01:18:00 -
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Pesadel0 wrote:I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships .
Its funny to see players with small amounts of SP trying to troll/justify older player paying 20+ mill on clones. Just wait some years when they have to pay the same. Than the tone will be very different.
CCP should sett a cap on clones. So no matter what SP you have, you don't lose more then 5 mill or so. Than 100 mill SP pilots can fly a frig size ship, with out losing 30 mill just on clone. |
Hurrasimoso
Silver Nation VooDoo Technologies
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Posted - 2011.11.03 01:35:00 -
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if ccp buff clone price, is only buff problem for player. I dont understand why CCP try create more trouble for player. Player have more problems & truble in game now. they need pay % to coprotation, they need pay for ship, they need pay for selling some thing, they need pay if you upgrade clone, they need pay some & for bounti's, they need pay for insurance, they need pay for export & import resources on planet, they need buy ship, bullet's, set implant's , fraction fit , missles, scenaries, & finaly they need buy PLEX for play he game next 30 day) ..... soo i not understand this more bad ecomomic's idea... |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2011.11.03 01:36:00 -
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Skippidipp wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships . Its funny to see players with small amounts of SP trying to troll/justify older player paying 20+ mill on clones. Just wait some years when they have to pay the same. Than the tone will be very different. CCP should sett a cap on clones. So no matter what SP you have, you don't lose more then 5 mill or so. Than 100 mill SP pilots can fly a frig size ship, with out losing 30 mill just on clone.
No. The isk sink is intentional and necessary.
You either have too much isk or too much SP. It's your choice which you lose. |
Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
11
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Posted - 2011.11.03 10:54:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Skippidipp wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:I would like to know if CCP is planning to reduce the prices of the clones, i think i shouldn't be penalized because i like to fly small (easy to kill) ships . Its funny to see players with small amounts of SP trying to troll/justify older player paying 20+ mill on clones. Just wait some years when they have to pay the same. Than the tone will be very different. CCP should sett a cap on clones. So no matter what SP you have, you don't lose more then 5 mill or so. Than 100 mill SP pilots can fly a frig size ship, with out losing 30 mill just on clone. No. The isk sink is intentional and necessary. You either have too much isk or too much SP. It's your choice which you lose.
How much do you pay for your clone?
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 11:32:00 -
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Supported , It is lame to keep that huge difference between the clone prices , even if someone with that much sp can easily farm the cost out , why should he work much more than the lower sp player , especially as he probably flies the same ships and fits.
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De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:44:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Not everyone who has played the game has billions in their wallet. Many are just as broke as the 3 month old newbie.
And that is CCP's problem how exactly? It's not like money is exactly hard to make in this game. They're practically giving it away.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
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Posted - 2011.11.03 15:27:00 -
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Well, let's take a look at the prices:
Under 92.5 Mil SP -- 20 Mil Isk Under 120 Mil SP -- 30 Mil Isk Under 156 Mil SP -- 45 Mil Isk < I estimate about 10% of players based on past figures I vaguely recall Under 203 Mil SP -- 65 Mil Isk < a number of players Under 264 Mil SP -- 90 Mil Isk < few players
There are a number of people shelling out 45 to 65 million isk for clones. That does not include the loss from the ship, modules, or implants; donGÇÖt forget about buying new insurance. A frugal pilot is looking at a 100 mil isk loss pretty easily.
So that loss is about 2-3 good hours of incursions, 4-5 hours of missions, or a whole lot of mining. Depending on your free time, how you make isk, what you fly, and other factors, you could be looking at a couple daysGÇÖ loss for one ship.
Considering the price more than doubles before the 100 Mil SP mark and then triples, it is a bit steep. My heart goes out to the people past the 203 Mil SP mark. That one is insane. For the 92.5 Mil SP, that's one good mission or incursion. A new dictor does roughly double that cost.
Prices take from the EVElopedia: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cloning |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 16:11:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Not everyone who has played the game has billions in their wallet. Many are just as broke as the 3 month old newbie. And that is CCP's problem how exactly? It's not like money is exactly hard to make in this game. They're practically giving it away. Naomi Knight wrote:Supported , It is lame to keep that huge difference between the clone prices , even if someone with that much sp can easily farm the cost out , why should he work much more than the lower sp player , especially as he probably flies the same ships and fits.
No one is forcing you to fly a death trap. If you don't like the clone prices, roll (or buy) an alt that can fly that class of ships well, but has fewer SP than your main. It's not rocket science here folks.
what will you get butthurt if older players could play with their main and fly what ship what they want , and dont have to pay lame increased cost for his pod loss ,just because they started to play this game earlier than you? that thinking is so gloating and shortsighted |
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Shisen
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.03 16:20:00 -
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I agree with the OP. There are enough ISK sinks in game currently, and therefore clone prices should be capped. Maybe 20mil per clone max? Seems like a reasonable arbitrary number. I don't agree with the argument that you can take a lower clone to save money. Taking a small clone means you lose SP (obviously), and the right to earn skill points is IMO what we pay money for. |
Junior Frog
Jump Frog
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Posted - 2011.11.03 16:21:00 -
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Jump Frog supports the reduction or removal of medical clone costs. Jump Frog provides free jump clones and Pod Express travel.
Jump Frog is an official Red Frog Freight affiliate. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.03 16:56:00 -
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As a "getting older" pilot that likes to fly frigate & dessie hulls, I agree that the clone prices should be balanced. When I pay as much for my clone as my t2 ship, its a little annoying.
I don't know the best way to fix clone prices, but I think 20+ mil for a clone approaches unreasonableness, and I think 60m for a clone is ridiculous.
Realistically, the benefits of skillpoints already diminish exponentially (i.e. it takes exponentially more sp to get a small linear benefit). Why does the cost to keep those skillpoints have to rise exponentially too? Its a double whammy to the older players, and I don't understand why. What is a good reason to exponentially increase the cost of a clone?
Supported. |
De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.03 17:10:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Not everyone who has played the game has billions in their wallet. Many are just as broke as the 3 month old newbie. And that is CCP's problem how exactly? It's not like money is exactly hard to make in this game. They're practically giving it away. Naomi Knight wrote:Supported , It is lame to keep that huge difference between the clone prices , even if someone with that much sp can easily farm the cost out , why should he work much more than the lower sp player , especially as he probably flies the same ships and fits.
No one is forcing you to fly a death trap. If you don't like the clone prices, roll (or buy) an alt that can fly that class of ships well, but has fewer SP than your main. It's not rocket science here folks. what will you get butthurt if older players could play with their main and fly what ship what they want , and dont have to pay lame increased cost for his pod loss ,just because they started to play this game earlier than you? that thinking is so gloating and shortsighted
Yes. Yes I will abslolutely be extremely butthurt if older players fly their mains in anything besides a titan.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
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Posted - 2011.11.03 17:28:00 -
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WTF is wrong with everyone, Christ, I am about the worst jew that I know, and yet I can still pay for my loss mail habit
When I see "older" characters whining that they struggle to pay for a 30 mil clone...that should be a red flag letting everyone know you are new here, you went to the character bazaar and bought yourself a brand new shiny, congratulations.
Because if you are sitting around 100mil sp's, and have no idea how to make 30 mil easily by now, and you are struggling keeping your pod in one piece...yeah...you are doing it wrong. |
Tahna Rouspel
BWE Special Forces
8
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Posted - 2011.11.03 19:43:00 -
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How about a high level skill; "Cloning Optimization" which increases the skill point limit of clones by 10/20/30/40/50%
This would allow those that are bothered by the price of clones to use the less expensive clones for longer. I think this would make most people happy. |
Shin Dari
The Vendunari Warped Aggression
13
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Posted - 2011.11.04 00:10:00 -
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Right now a pilot must upgrade every time after they die. This is very annoying, especially for the casual players.
My suggestion is to make Clone Upgrading be for a character and not for a specific clone. This means that as long as your SP is below the SP limit you will be able to die over and over, without the need to upgrade.
If CCP did this I wouldn't even object to an increase the upgrade costs. |
Ender Sai
Ordo Mercuia
9
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Posted - 2011.11.04 02:44:00 -
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Frankly, I think the whole cloning situation should probably get a look at some point in the future.
Because my thoughts are important.
Also, I can agree that upwards of 20 misk per lost pod is ZOMGINSANE. That also means you can't even rifter on the cheap. :-\ and it promotes carebarianism amongst the older generations of eve players. Which is madness.
As a point regarding isks though;
It seems some dudes are like "No you're spending 30 mil per clone, that's easy to make TROLOLOLOLOL etc" but the point is if you're a casual-ish player with say 4 hours of game time a week that 30 misk can very easily take up half of your game time, if PVP is what you like to do then this makes EVE unfun. Yes I know that some people make 100 misk and hour from level 4 missions, but those people are dedicated carebears the dudes who really think that mission running is "dah bomb yo".
Pod-loss is also something that happens to pvp players not carebears (generally speaking).
As a counter-argument, older players who fly dictors and the like could just request pod replacement isk from your corp. :P |
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:10:00 -
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Shin Dari wrote:Right now a pilot must upgrade every time after they die. This is very annoying, especially for the casual players.
My suggestion is to make Clone Upgrading be for a character and not for a specific clone. This means that as long as your SP is below the SP limit you will be able to die over and over, without the need to upgrade.
If CCP did this I wouldn't even object to an increase the upgrade costs.
That's another solution that I am more than happy to support!
Back on topic:
Either way, I know 30mil isn't a lot of isk. But it's not just 30mil. Consider it this way, how much isk do you pay to protect a 30m isk ship? Let's assume that it'll cost you 30m after insurance. How much would you pay to protect that ship? Now add another 30m isk to that. Thinking of getting a bigger hull yet? I know I am.
It's really silly, because in all honesty, why should I have to train/buy an alt so that I can fly a ship that I've already trained for? I know I'm one of the few players that just plain refuses to get alts, but I don't think the whole "well get an alt to fly that ship" arguement holds any water.
I've grown attached to this character and having to use a different one would ruin my immersion. I made another character for safe forum posting, and I found that even that was ruining my immersion. Suffice to say, I don't post with that character anymore.
But yes, I am afraid to fly cheap ships, and part of that is the clone cost. I don't really see the point tbh. It's uneeded punishment for pvp'ers, and it acts like a deterrent. If this isk sink is really needed, then create a new isk sink that punishes carebears that never loose their pod. Don't punish players that are willing to take risks! Have you noticed how some ships are actually blue? Weird isn't it? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:14:00 -
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I wouldn't say I support the total removal of clone upgrades. Many high-sec residents are so utterly complacent with their supposed "safety" that they move their 90M+ SP characters around, autopiloting in shuttles or even pods, in alpha clones. Many of these people seriously believe that clone upgrades are a waste of money. Occasionally, they'll get attacked with smartbombs and podded, losing expensive implants (mission runners love crystal sets) and quite a bit of SP in the process. I honestly don't believe that it's a mechanism for penalizing those with high skillpoints, it's a mechanism that adds more risk to be factored in when merely undocking. |
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