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Othran
Route One
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Posted - 2013.11.02 13:21:00 -
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Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Here in the UK we have the NHS and have done for many years.
Sadly we don't get many Discovery specials made here with people with 20 stone tumours or ********* so it must work.
Got to love an industrialized country who let their weakest die horribly while others around them are living well.
I can only assume you have exceptionally limited personal experience of the NHS.
The UK is the worst place in Europe (including eastern Europe) to have cancer, heart disease, stroke or respiratory disease. You have at least 30% more chance of surviving lung cancer in any other EU country; cardiovascular treatment in the UK is a joke and always has been and if you have a serious stroke then you're as good as dead.
The NHS is a top-heavy bureaucracy (employs more people than any other organisation apart from the Chinese army) which pisses away money left right and centre - like most things that size its now run more for the benefit of staff than patients.
I hope you never have to rely on it outside the SE of England because if you do then you're ******. |
Frying Doom
3142
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Posted - 2013.11.02 13:31:00 -
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We seem to have drifted off topic, sorry my fault. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5071
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Posted - 2013.11.02 14:10:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:like Fannie Mae. Quick someone tell Obama he needs to rescue Somer too too big to fail, need bailout
inject some ishkone watch scorpion to stabilize their capital ratios There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Dalmont Delantee
Rim Worlds Republic SpaceMonkey's Alliance
214
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Posted - 2013.11.02 16:10:00 -
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Othran wrote:Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Here in the UK we have the NHS and have done for many years.
Sadly we don't get many Discovery specials made here with people with 20 stone tumours or ********* so it must work.
Got to love an industrialized country who let their weakest die horribly while others around them are living well.
I can only assume you have exceptionally limited personal experience of the NHS. The UK is the worst place in Europe (including eastern Europe) to have cancer, heart disease, stroke or respiratory disease. You have at least 30% more chance of surviving lung cancer in any other EU country; cardiovascular treatment in the UK is a joke and always has been and if you have a serious stroke then you're as good as dead. The NHS is a top-heavy bureaucracy (employs more people than any other organisation apart from the Chinese army) which pisses away money left right and centre - like most things that size its now run more for the benefit of staff than patients. I hope you never have to rely on it outside the SE of England because if you do then you're ******.
No I'm in Wales and its worse here, but its still better than feck all :P |
Dalmont Delantee
Rim Worlds Republic SpaceMonkey's Alliance
214
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Posted - 2013.11.02 16:10:00 -
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http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement
Relevant to this discussion (Somer/Kick back from promoting plex etc) |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
582
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Posted - 2013.11.02 16:12:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Rroff wrote:For most places the only thing that counts (including the UK) is actual cash and I doubt with the way Somer is setup its at all relevant where CCP's servers or even what country they (CCP) do business in is located.
(I'm not arguing the point here just interested in if they actually do need licensing or not) You might want to re-check those UK laws as they go into specific detail about receiving services or articles in return Gambling Act 2005 wrote: (4)In this Act GÇ£prizeGÇ¥ in relation to lotteries includes any money, articles or servicesGÇö
(a)whether or not described as a prize, and
(b)whether or not consisting wholly or partly of money paid, or articles or services provided, by the members of the class among whom the prize is allocated.
I posted a while back that CCP allowing player run lottos was going to come back to bite them on the ass sooner or later. The tears will be epic if you lot manage to actually get them banned and I look forward with much anticipation to seeing the ensuing threadnaughts. Mr Epeen
I never understood how any of the gambling sites got away with it. There's a reason the EULA thing says you can't start a business that's hitched onto EVE. This would probably be the reason. SOMER and CCP just took it to whole new level and ruined it. If I was at CCP I would be worried about plex itself getting the block hammer.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:15:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:like Fannie Mae. Quick someone tell Obama he needs to rescue Somer too too big to fail, need bailout inject some ishkone watch scorpion to stabilize their capital ratios Ok now that is funny Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
518
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:52:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The rules:
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.
ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.11.03 03:08:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
I never understood how any of the gambling sites got away with it. There's a reason the EULA thing says you can't start a business that's hitched onto EVE. This would probably be the reason. SOMER and CCP just took it to whole new level and ruined it. If I was at CCP I would be worried about plex itself getting the block hammer.
Well it is very possible to be a gambling site and not be a business.
Unfortunately given Somers actions I think they are all skating on thin ice.
After all Somer has shown that it is a 'for profit business' so they will either need to open the flood games and let other 'for profit businesses' in by altering the EULA or they will have to follow their own EULA and ban Somer.
Given the amount of damage Somer has caused is uncalculatable, as it has taken money off community sites, that need that money for actual server costs, (unlike Somer making $135,000+ and now complaining about server costs, that could not be more than $3000 a year), not to mention the number of people that have actually used the site for gambling, pouring their real cash into the thrill of gambling.
I will admit I am hoping CCP actually steps up and enforces their own EULA, rather than playing favorites with a company that has been a cancer on this community. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Annie Getyourgun
Snow Leopard Situs
22
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:01:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
I never understood how any of the gambling sites got away with it. There's a reason the EULA thing says you can't start a business that's hitched onto EVE. This would probably be the reason. SOMER and CCP just took it to whole new level and ruined it. If I was at CCP I would be worried about plex itself getting the block hammer.
Well it is very possible to be a gambling site and not be a business. Unfortunately given Somers actions I think they are all skating on thin ice. After all Somer has shown that it is a 'for profit business' so they will either need to open the flood games and let other 'for profit businesses' in by altering the EULA or they will have to follow their own EULA and ban Somer. Given the amount of damage Somer has caused is uncalculatable, as it has taken money off community sites, that need that money for actual server costs, (unlike Somer making $135,000+ and now complaining about server costs, that could not be more than $3000 a year), not to mention the number of people that have actually used the site for gambling, pouring their real cash into the thrill of gambling. I will admit I am hoping CCP actually steps up and enforces their own EULA, rather than playing favorites with a company that has been a cancer on this community.
This is the crux of the entire issue here: the GTC reseller program seems to be the way it is because CCP doesn't mind a little bit of the pie going to 'community sites' or the reseller sites, as it is good for the game; the players benefit directly from it, or the company benefits from it by virtue of free advertising of their product (in the form of selling time codes). Those small losses are 'acceptable costs' of doing business, it can be looked at money being reinvested into the community.
The point where this all breaks down is when a 'community site' starts working on the basis of profit as a primary goal, not an an incidental to providing their community service. Now while everyone is quick to point fingers at Somer about their income, it is still all speculative. But the point remains, just where is the line before an entity turns into a forbidden 'business'?
Somer increasing the payout sure makes them look guilty, but a smart individual has data to cover their 'business'. If indeed the real life expenditures are much more than theorized, and the income is truly much smaller than speculated, Somer may have a leg to stand on, notwithstanding the illogical course of action after the new reseller directive.
I'm sure all of this is the main reason that CCP has kept quiet (even the GTC reseller policy chance was not officially announced); legal must be working overtime to sort this mess out while maintaining some sort of damage control. |
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destiny2
Perkone Caldari State
219
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:03:00 -
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I'm gonna just wait till someone brings this topic up at fanfest, all these somer this somer that threads, are really putting a negative approach on the community, especiall if new players see them. |
IDGAD
Get in the van I have candy.
41
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:06:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:I'm gonna just wait till someone brings this topic up at fanfest, all these somer this somer that threads, are really putting a negative approach on the community, especiall if new players see them.
You are going to be disappointing. CCP blatantly changes the subject or says "I'm not going to talk about that" in front of thousands of people when someone asks a question they don't want to answer. I'm not joking, they will straight up say they will not talk about something. So when this is brought up, they will just sidestep it and you will hear a bunch of screaming players at fanfest booing, but they won't give two fudges because what they honestly have to say would make everyone turn into a lynch mob. |
Gary Bell
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
70
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:43:00 -
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I could care less about any of this I just wanna know if I go pour 200 bucks into GTCs is he gonna send me a Sheetload of extra isk.. Cuz if so HIghfive 0^o to Somer for hooking a brother up before the big man gets you down..
LOL all these angry nerds |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
359
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Posted - 2013.11.03 18:06:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:I could care less about any of this I just wanna know if I go pour 200 bucks into GTCs is he gonna send me a Sheetload of extra isk.. Cuz if so HIghfive 0^o to Somer for hooking a brother up before the big man gets you down..
LOL all these angry nerds
Depends on a mixture of how lucky and clever you are. If you just blast it all on big blinks you could walk away with nothing or get lucky and blag a few capitals. Spread it over a few ~10m blinks or buy a large proportion of the tickets on a blink and you'd probably walk away with a reasonable bit of ISK. |
Mehashi 'Kho
Idiot with a gun
91
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Posted - 2013.11.03 19:20:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:I could care less about any of this So you care quite a lot then? I know some people who don't care at all, so they couldn't care less.
Personally although I have no issues with people making money from services, it does seem strange that where a player would be stopped outright they have given a grace period to somer and other resellers to squeeze every last bit of RL money from their ISK. Double standards are never good.
That aside, I must admit the numbers being thrown around for the RL profit somer has made are pretty impressive for something based around an imaginary economy. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
26
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Posted - 2013.11.03 19:41:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:I could care less about any of this
Empty quote |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
293
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Posted - 2013.11.03 19:48:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:I could care less about any of this I
So how much less could you care about it? |
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
58
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Posted - 2013.11.03 20:36:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Gary Bell wrote:I could care less about any of this I So how much less could you care about it?
Cared enough to go to the forums about it! |
Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2013.11.03 20:38:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:LOL all these angry nerds
LOL at someone who playes spaceship games using "nerds" in a derogatory sense.
Stones/glass houses, pot/kettle, and all that. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.11.04 04:43:00 -
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I just saw this on Jesters latest blog
Jester wrote:Meanwhile, over much of this year, player discontent has centered on telling CCP how much they can help community leaders, and just how they can. I'm not saying this isn't a conversation worth having -- it definitely is! But would you want to jump into the stew as a community leader today, as things are now? I suspect the answer is "no", you'd want to keep your head down and stay out of it.
So shall it be. Source--http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/blog-banter-50-changes.html
It reminds me of a child who has been caught doing something wrong and who refuses to go home and face his punishment.
CCP has allowed Somer to breach its EULA multiple times, encouraged the use of Somer Blink by allowing them into EvE Vegas and other events.
CCP needs to stop sulking like a little child apologize and actually enforce its own EULA, it originally put in place to safe guard the game it built.
Rather than sulking in a corner hoping it goes away. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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Dilligafmofo
The Generic Pirate Corporation Shadow Cartel
216
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Posted - 2013.11.04 09:27:00 -
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I have to smile at all the negativity around "Somergate", everyone whining about how much money somer has or hasn't made from Eve.
Just a thought folks. The guy that started this sh1tstorm, mr Mittani, how much extra money is he pulling from advertisers on his site due to everyone jumping in and reading updates on this rubbish?
I see no difference Mittens, and people in glass houses should throw stones! |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
298
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Posted - 2013.11.04 09:35:00 -
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Dilligafmofo wrote:I have to smile at all the negativity around "Somergate", everyone whining about how much money somer has or hasn't made from Eve.
Just a thought folks. The guy that started this sh1tstorm, mr Mittani, how much extra money is he pulling from advertisers on his site due to everyone jumping in and reading updates on this rubbish?
I see no difference Mittens, and people in glass houses should throw stones! Lol no DNSBLACK started this and numerous blogs wrote about it. |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:00:00 -
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Dilligafmofo wrote:I have to smile at all the negativity around "Somergate", everyone whining about how much money somer has or hasn't made from Eve.
Just a thought folks. The guy that started this sh1tstorm, mr Mittani, how much extra money is he pulling from advertisers on his site due to everyone jumping in and reading updates on this rubbish?
I see no difference Mittens, and people in glass houses should throw stones!
Blaming Mittens is the new talking point, I see. Or the new old talking point. Grr Goons.
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Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
31
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:08:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:I could care less about any of this
BL further proving to appear 'good' at this game you just need 1 or 2 clever players and 100s just about able to muster the cognitive agility to remember a password containing at least one number. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Diva Ex Machina
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
33
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:12:00 -
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Dilligafmofo wrote:I have to smile at all the negativity around "Somergate", everyone whining about how much money somer has or hasn't made from Eve.
Just a thought folks. The guy that started this sh1tstorm, mr Mittani, how much extra money is he pulling from advertisers on his site due to everyone jumping in and reading updates on this rubbish?
I see no difference Mittens, and people in glass houses should throw stones!
The main difference is (to my knowledge) Mittens isn't giving people ISK for reading their site.
Also, Adblocker. |
Diva Ex Machina
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
34
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:15:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:I could care less about any of this I just wanna know if I go pour 200 bucks into GTCs is he gonna send me a Sheetload of extra isk.. Cuz if so HIghfive 0^o to Somer for hooking a brother up before the big man gets you down..
LOL all these angry nerds
Just be sure you cash out before the 7th. |
Frying Doom
3192
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:17:00 -
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While I myself am not partial to Goons, I must have missed the GTC link giving an extra 750 million isk per GTC Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
RAW23
436
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Posted - 2013.11.04 13:28:00 -
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Dilligafmofo wrote:I have to smile at all the negativity around "Somergate", everyone whining about how much money somer has or hasn't made from Eve.
Just a thought folks. The guy that started this sh1tstorm, mr Mittani, how much extra money is he pulling from advertisers on his site due to everyone jumping in and reading updates on this rubbish?
I see no difference Mittens, and people in glass houses should throw stones!
Since you are demonstrating a complete lack of familiarity with the timeline of discussions on this issue it would probably be better if you stopped posting about who started what. TMC's contribution to this debate has been significant, in that it published the leaked mails concerning the Ishukone Watch scorpions but that is not the main point at issue. The main issues predated that leak by quite a long period and were concerned with CCP's own announcements about the extremely high value gifts they were giving Somer to give away and the bizarre spectacle of CCP developers claiming to have audited the previous financial transactions of an in-game business and pronouncing it fully trustworthy to date. The I-Watch scorps were just an additional cherry on the top of that steaming dump in the sandbox, increasing the value of CCP's total gifts to Somer but not actually introducing any new problems (well, except the inept responses from CCP claiming that despite having a market value of 20 billion, the scorps were only really worth 1 piece of trit each). The more recent stuff about RMT has also not been spurred by TMC, having developed fully on the forums and with the critical extra fuel provided by another blogger who contacted Shattered Crystal and found out the scale of Somer's RMT earnings, categorically refuting the claim that this was just money for hosting an ingame service. True, TMC did leach off that blogger and repost his work but they were hardly the instigators of the discussion.
In short, while I happilly grr goons myself from time to time, they didn't really have any role in starting the present discussion and they have not been the main contributors to keeping it going. Now, the question of whether TMC (and other news sites) should be able to pay isk for articles while generating a revenue beyond the hosting cost is a good on and that needs to be looked at too. The fact that this is also a controversial topic, however, does nothing to diminish the controversy over Somer's operations. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
MyEveLotto
myEVElotto.com
72
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:20:00 -
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In an effort to assist a fellow gambling-based website in the EVE community, I have developed the following workthrough to help SOMER out once they are no longer able to offer ISK incentives to purchase GTCs through their website in order to fund their apparently exorbitant server costs:
http://myevelotto.com/blink
By adding the interaction prototyped on that page to all their blinks, they'll easily be able to continue funding their servers now that they are penniless and in the poor house. |
Mehashi 'Kho
Idiot with a gun
93
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:26:00 -
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MyEveLotto wrote:By adding the interaction prototyped on that page to all their blinks, they'll easily be able to continue funding their servers now that they are penniless and in the poor house. Lmao, as subtle as a brick to the face, I love it. |
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