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sableye
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Posted - 2006.02.06 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 06/02/2006 14:45:08 so I was in a complex with my trusty webber trying to web some frigs and I get this message.
"[ 2006.02.05 23:08:12 ] (notify) You cannot activate that module on the target as interference prevents modules of that type from being used on them."
now granted it was only 1 frigate type but can we expect more of this stuff in future I rely on my webebr for killing the frigs.
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Rasta Populos
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Posted - 2006.02.06 19:36:00 -
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most named NPC's are now invulnerable for EW.
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Apertotes
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Posted - 2006.02.06 19:49:00 -
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yes, it sucks. they have got superpower rats now. they are invulnerable to nearly everything (web, painter, nos, jamming...)
at least they are as dumb as before.
i think CCP should think it better. it is annoying. i dont like rats cheating.
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Lefia
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Posted - 2006.02.06 19:57:00 -
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I have to agree here. I can understand bigger more important ships having this ability, but having oh say the informant with this ability doesn't seem to make sense. The informant is supposed to (by the exact dialogue from the level 3 mission) be a pretty pethetic target flying a "newbie" angel frig. Not being able to web and crush that guy seems slightly out of whack. I wish I had a velator that couldn't be webbed. Toss an MWD and a civ pulse on there and I'd be invincible .
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.02.06 21:37:00 -
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if you dont know how to beat a frig without a webby, you gonna have bigger problems than just that.
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Apertotes
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Posted - 2006.02.06 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada if you dont know how to beat a frig without a webby, you gonna have bigger problems than just that.
that is not the point. of course we know how to beat a frig without web, or painter or nos. the problem is that CCP doesnt know any other way to make rat killing more challenging than giving them super powers.
would you then agree making all frigs in game (npc and players) invulnerable to EW? its only frigs...
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Yossar
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Posted - 2006.02.07 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Apertotes the problem is that CCP doesnt know any other way to make rat killing more challenging than giving them super powers.
Do you? I don't think they have the processing power to invest in NPC AI yet, so what else is there?
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Matuk Grymwal
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Posted - 2006.02.07 02:16:00 -
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A "cheat" that I only just saw for the first time the other day was the overseer BS on a 7/10 plex disappearing and reappearing the best part of 80km away. Most annoying when we were using close range setups. He had an evil shield tank and we were about to break it when he just teleported
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2006.02.07 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Matuk Grymwal A "cheat" that I only just saw for the first time the other day was the overseer BS on a 7/10 plex disappearing and reappearing the best part of 80km away. Most annoying when we were using close range setups. He had an evil shield tank and we were about to break it when he just teleported
atleast he came back
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Cade Morrigan
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Posted - 2006.02.07 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yossar
Originally by: Apertotes the problem is that CCP doesnt know any other way to make rat killing more challenging than giving them super powers.
Do you? I don't think they have the processing power to invest in NPC AI yet, so what else is there?
Sure they do. I was doing a mission and decided smartbombs would be more effective against the annoying 2km oribiting frigs, so I warped out to refit. I came back and those same ships started orbiting just out of smartbomb range. Their is some AI going on there eh? Anyway, I agree, these super-ships suck. If I wanted to spend 15 minutes killing a "boss" I'd go back to WoW. Up the tank some, give them more speed, add some firepower, but don't make them invulnerable to something as basic, necessary and ubiquitous as a webber.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.02.07 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Matuk Grymwal A "cheat" that I only just saw for the first time the other day was the overseer BS on a 7/10 plex disappearing and reappearing the best part of 80km away. Most annoying when we were using close range setups. He had an evil shield tank and we were about to break it when he just teleported
When I first started doing LVL4's, I was happaly soloing away on vengence. Unknown to me, the boss was a super tanker to those without decent skills, so while I was scratching his armour slightly following him, I went afk for about 20mins+. When I came back, I noticed that I was starting to get him into hull and *poof* he dissapeared off the map completly and reappeared some 100km away from me. I.E The centre of the map. Within seconds he recovered all his armour. So its not just overseerers, it is also Mission rats that leave the grid. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
Decaro
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Posted - 2006.02.07 17:56:00 -
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If you pull a Rat too far from its spawn point, it will automatically move back to it, still having you targeted and still firing at you. I've noticed it several times and had it happen to me as well during the "Vengence" mission.
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Empyre
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Posted - 2006.02.07 18:04:00 -
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hate to oppose the views stated here, but if CCP took away their EW invulnerability and buffed them up, then people like me who don't use EW and instead trained target navigation prediction, etc. are going to suffer.
i think people soon forget that one playstyle is not the only way.
Not coming down hard on anyone or anything, just letting you know there is more than one way to skin a cat. (That's such a horrible saying..) ----- my playstyle is anti-pirate. what does this mean? it means you'll never catch me in a valuable ship and/or setup where it can be compromised. go on, trade your ammo for the scraps you'll get. |
Apertotes
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Posted - 2006.02.07 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Empyre hate to oppose the views stated here, but if CCP took away their EW invulnerability and buffed them up, then people like me who don't use EW and instead trained target navigation prediction, etc. are going to suffer.
i think people soon forget that one playstyle is not the only way.
Not coming down hard on anyone or anything, just letting you know there is more than one way to skin a cat. (That's such a horrible saying..)
so you mean that it would be ok to make rats also invulnerable to rails, because some people use missiles? or maybe make them invulnerable to drones, because there are so many more ways to kill the rat?
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Gallenlicious
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Posted - 2006.02.07 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Empyre hate to oppose the views stated here, but if CCP took away their EW invulnerability and buffed them up, then people like me who don't use EW and instead trained target navigation prediction, etc. are going to suffer.
i think people soon forget that one playstyle is not the only way.
Not coming down hard on anyone or anything, just letting you know there is more than one way to skin a cat. (That's such a horrible saying..)
so you mean that it would be ok to make rats also invulnerable to rails, because some people use missiles? or maybe make them invulnerable to drones, because there are so many more ways to kill the rat?
Wow. Way to generalize. Next you will claim his idea means he hates our firefighters.
This is no different than giving certain rats 90% resistancce to one single damage type. If people are too stupid to adapt they should get killed by these rats. ---------
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sableye
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Posted - 2006.02.08 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gallenlicious
Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Empyre hate to oppose the views stated here, but if CCP took away their EW invulnerability and buffed them up, then people like me who don't use EW and instead trained target navigation prediction, etc. are going to suffer.
i think people soon forget that one playstyle is not the only way.
Not coming down hard on anyone or anything, just letting you know there is more than one way to skin a cat. (That's such a horrible saying..)
so you mean that it would be ok to make rats also invulnerable to rails, because some people use missiles? or maybe make them invulnerable to drones, because there are so many more ways to kill the rat?
Wow. Way to generalize. Next you will claim his idea means he hates our firefighters.
This is no different than giving certain rats 90% resistancce to one single damage type. If people are too stupid to adapt they should get killed by these rats.
of course its differnt, aplayer can get his resists to 90% too I'd love to see this ultimate anti-web mdoule thats carried by these 2.5k npc's.
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Theodore Gross
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Posted - 2006.02.09 16:54:00 -
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just a question..
If most rats now are invulnerble to EW how usefull are ships like Scorpions, Blackbirds and the like for PVE ?
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Apertotes
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Theodore Gross just a question..
If most rats now are invulnerble to EW how usefull are ships like Scorpions, Blackbirds and the like for PVE ?
you can reprocess you scorpion and BB and get a Raven and a caracal.
but no, not most rats are invulnerable to EW, only named ones, like final bosses and so. but it still sucks.
i would love to have one of those Frodo's module of invulneability to NOS and Web on a vagabond. i swear i would play only with one eye
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sableye
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Posted - 2006.02.10 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Theodore Gross just a question..
If most rats now are invulnerble to EW how usefull are ships like Scorpions, Blackbirds and the like for PVE ?
you can reprocess you scorpion and BB and get a Raven and a caracal.
but no, not most rats are invulnerable to EW, only named ones, like final bosses and so. but it still sucks.
i would love to have one of those Frodo's module of invulneability to NOS and Web on a vagabond. i swear i would play only with one eye
these one;s that I got it on were certainly not named or speial true theyw ere in a complex but there was litterally hundreads of them in there.
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Lorette
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Posted - 2006.02.10 10:12:00 -
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I wouldnt mind one of those uber kestrals that are in human cattle. 4 railguns and a heavy launcher....one hell of a tank aswell
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