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Narcotic Gryffin
Bombin Busch Wookies
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:53:00 -
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So I've gotten bored of solo roams and blob roams. I'm looking at just doing a small roam with 2 buddies and I, preferably frigs to cruisers. Any suggestions on a fleet comp where each ship compliments the next? Race and weapon system doesn't matter I just want to get some ideas I'm far more used to running solo than making a fit to compliment my wing man's ship. |
Chessur
Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension
182
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:57:00 -
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Narcotic Gryffin wrote:So I've gotten bored of solo roams and blob roams. I'm looking at just doing a small roam with 2 buddies and I, preferably frigs to cruisers. Any suggestions on a fleet comp where each ship compliments the next? Race and weapon system doesn't matter I just want to get some ideas I'm far more used to running solo than making a fit to compliment my wing man's ship.
Any combination of the following:
RLML Caracal, Scythe Fleet, Cerberus, Ishtar, Nomen, Oracle, Rail Thorax / Rail Diemos |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
190
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:59:00 -
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there is litterly infinite amounts of combinations either in single race only or multi race gangs. be creative, know your enemy |
Major Killz
La Fraternite
265
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Posted - 2013.10.29 19:25:00 -
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To BE HONEST. I've been thinking about rocking 2 rooks and 1 Keres for some time now.
3 Cruor would be interested too but I'll stick with 2. I've been thinking about rocking blood raider a lot more. P sure a Cruor and 2 Ashimmu can do good things together. Esp with fed navy webs.
Also wanted to f*ck with dual Phantasms too. There's a lot of things you can come up with to pass the time ingame. - Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Major Killz
La Fraternite
265
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Posted - 2013.10.29 19:32:00 -
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Oh! Do a 3 blaster-Arazu roam. They have one damp each and faction scram and rest is tank. That's something I wanted to do 2 months ago but I was to lazy to organize and me and bro did Blaster falcon roam instead.
Each Arazu should do like 500 dps and have 35 - 40 ehp. Can always do 1 Keres and 2 sentinels too or Bhaalgorn, Proteus and Loki combo. Bhaalgorn always brings the boys to the yard - Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:29:00 -
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If this is your main and your friends are of similar age, you might not quite have the skills for it yet, but a good frig combination would be:
enyo/ishkur malediction kitsune
ECM, tackle, assault and at range. These 3 together give a lot of flexibility to a small gang Try everything once |
Trinkets friend
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
1207
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Posted - 2013.10.30 05:54:00 -
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2 young ladies, 1 beverage container of your choice.
Otherwise known as 2 x shield curse + scimitar. YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Magormor
Arch Angels Assault Force Mildly Intoxicated
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Posted - 2013.10.30 12:15:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:To BE HONEST. I've been thinking about rocking 2 rooks and 1 Keres for some time now.
3 Cruor would be interested too but I'll stick with 2. I've been thinking about rocking blood raider a lot more. P sure a Cruor and 2 Ashimmu can do good things together. Esp with fed navy webs.
Also wanted to f*ck with dual Phantasms too. There's a lot of things you can come up with to pass the time ingame.
this man is officaly the end of all eve. 2 Rooks and a Keres........almost as bad as a sabre + Falcon.... |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
334
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Posted - 2013.10.30 12:40:00 -
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2 Ham Cerbs and a Huginn. 2 Oracles and an RLML Cerb/Nano Zealot/Nano Nomen. 2 Talos and an RLML Cerb/Nano Zealot/Nano Nomen. About a billion other possible combinations. |
Major Killz
La Fraternite
267
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:46:00 -
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Magormor wrote:Major Killz wrote:To BE HONEST. I've been thinking about rocking 2 rooks and 1 Keres for some time now.
3 Cruor would be interested too but I'll stick with 2. I've been thinking about rocking blood raider a lot more. P sure a Cruor and 2 Ashimmu can do good things together. Esp with fed navy webs.
Also wanted to f*ck with dual Phantasms too. There's a lot of things you can come up with to pass the time ingame. this man is officaly the end of all eve. 2 Rooks and a Keres........almost as bad as a sabre + Falcon....
F*CK YEAH! - Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
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Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:13:00 -
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Well I'll reply since everyone here seems to think you have to kite to be effective.
Armor brawler frigs/destroyers/cruisers work just fine and in fact have more fun fights. You can do AB brawling vexors with a RSD in the 4th midslot with a Celestis running quad damps. You're AB but you will **** on everyone one of those wankers above this post since they'll all run boost and stay out at 30km to kill you. You force them in close to fight and then you gank them since they have awful tanks.
You can't kill what you can't lock.... |
Heather Cole
Bio-Tech Research
2
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:15:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote:Well I'll reply since everyone here seems to think you have to kite to be effective.
Armor brawler frigs/destroyers/cruisers work just fine and in fact have more fun fights. You can do AB brawling vexors with a RSD in the 4th midslot with a Celestis running quad damps. You're AB but you will **** on everyone one of those wankers above this post since they'll all run boost and stay out at 30km to kill you. You force them in close to fight and then you gank them since they have awful tanks.
You can't kill what you can't lock....
Sadly I don't have much to contribute to the thread, I just want to point out that while you raise a semi valid point, insulting someone for their play style is something a three year old would do. Do mummy and daddy know you're on the internet?
THAT SAID.
You wouldn't beat a kiting gang with that fleet comp, because the kiting gang would disengage. |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Acerbus Vindictum Stealth Wear Inc.
129
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:35:00 -
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Heather Cole wrote:disengage.
That's the whole point. 'Winning' by warping out. |
Heather Cole
Bio-Tech Research
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:38:00 -
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If I come across someone with the paper to my rock, I'm not going to stick around and see if maybe I can crush it just this once, I'm gunna get out of there and find me some scissors. That's why everyone is suggesting kiting. It gives you to option to say **** that noise and live to fight another day. What happens when an armour AB gang, literally incapable of escaping a glacier, comes across something capable of ruining its day? |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:51:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote:Well I'll reply since everyone here seems to think you have to kite to be effective.
Armor brawler frigs/destroyers/cruisers work just fine and in fact have more fun fights. You can do AB brawling vexors with a RSD in the 4th midslot with a Celestis running quad damps. You're AB but you will **** on everyone one of those wankers above this post since they'll all run boost and stay out at 30km to kill you. You force them in close to fight and then you gank them since they have awful tanks.
You can't kill what you can't lock....
Spot on man. There are wankers everywhere.
There is this one Gallente dude who used to boost in a T3 in Innia until it sploded on it's trip home to Eha. Now he is using an Eos and he almost even managed to lose that on the undock twice yesterday. What makes it funny is how he crys when people use the same tactics as him. Do you know the guy I am talking about?
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Chessur
Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.10.31 04:01:00 -
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Logi in a 3 man gang, is total fail. You need every single bit of DPS you can get from your pilots, besides the fights you would get in that setup would be so terrible.
Brawling in 3 ships is not fun, when the majority of eve will bring 6+ to come kill you. Brawling is a horrible tactic, it always has been and will be for small gang. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
334
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Posted - 2013.10.31 09:08:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Logi in a 3 man gang, is total fail. You need every single bit of DPS you can get from your pilots, besides the fights you would get in that setup would be so terrible.
Brawling in 3 ships is not fun, when the majority of eve will bring 6+ to come kill you. Brawling is a horrible tactic, it always has been and will be for small gang.
Chessur the broken record. |
Trinkets friend
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.31 13:29:00 -
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Chessur the dude who AWOXed in FW for his kills knows what he's talking about. Shoot people who can't shoot back at you because of stupid FW mechanics.
There's nothing wrong with logi in 3 man gangs. You do not need all the DPS. You need enough to drop the enemy you chooose to engage, and the logi lets you engage more foes.
The reason I suggested 2 Curses is the flexibility that 38km neuts, HML's, 2km/s, and logi gives you. That doesn't mean you can automagically take on everything or turn every fight into a total whitewash. It's one Scimi, if it gets hard tackled and ganked, you're boned. It keeps your Curses alive, their neuts break the tackle on the Scimi, and the hardeners and MWDs of everything prusuing you. Magic.
But magic that requires skill.
Falcon doesn't require skill. YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Chessur
Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.10.31 13:32:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Chessur wrote:Logi in a 3 man gang, is total fail. You need every single bit of DPS you can get from your pilots, besides the fights you would get in that setup would be so terrible.
Brawling in 3 ships is not fun, when the majority of eve will bring 6+ to come kill you. Brawling is a horrible tactic, it always has been and will be for small gang. Chessur the broken record.
COme up with something more creative to insult me with, I am 100% correct in my statement. |
Chessur
Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension
185
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Posted - 2013.10.31 13:36:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Chessur the dude who AWOXed in FW for his kills knows what he's talking about. Shoot people who can't shoot back at you because of stupid FW mechanics.
There's nothing wrong with logi in 3 man gangs. You do not need all the DPS. You need enough to drop the enemy you chooose to engage, and the logi lets you engage more foes.
The reason I suggested 2 Curses is the flexibility that 38km neuts, HML's, 2km/s, and logi gives you. That doesn't mean you can automagically take on everything or turn every fight into a total whitewash. It's one Scimi, if it gets hard tackled and ganked, you're boned. It keeps your Curses alive, their neuts break the tackle on the Scimi, and the hardeners and MWDs of everything prusuing you. Magic.
But magic that requires skill.
Falcon doesn't require skill.
Confirming that all of my 3.5k+ Kills are all awox. Stop being bad, and have ships on your overview. Last time I checked, you can shoot back at me.
There is something wrong with logi in a 3 man gang. You are harshly limiting the gangs of simmilar size that want to fight you. Either people will bring more, because of the logi- or they will not engage because they see that logi. Now if i saw you on D scan ofc I would come to kill you, but I am more agressive than the average PvPer. That being said, if you want more fights- dont bring ECM or logi ships. The idea of finding and getting fights is to make yourself look engageable.
Curses have no DPS, and are scary to most things. 2X curse + logi is a horrible gang concept. |
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Tesoni Daven
BENEVOLENC3 Wormhole Kaleidoscope Alliance
11
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Posted - 2013.11.03 21:03:00 -
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Any kind of fast kitey nanoed cruiser.
Curse, maybe huginn fir a recon.
Fleet stabber, tornado, cynabal, all make good dps ships for this kind of gang.
Navy caracal, gila, vagabond, cerberus are all good picks also.
Lachesis might be a good pick for an alternate recon, due to the long range scrams and points, those are going to make it hard for people to disengage from you.
If you dont bring a lach, make sure you have at leastone pilot (probably a cyna) with a long range faction point so you can dictate range without them simply warping off.
Scrams and webs are death.
Stay aligned, and dictate range. |
Vordak Kallager
Mafia Redux Phobia.
539
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:15:00 -
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I've had fun with an AF gang that consists of:
1) Vengeance (Ancillary Armor Rep, Small Armor Rep, 3x Centii C-Type Remote Armor Repair, 2x Small Cap Booster, AB, 2 Rockets) 2) Enyo (Armor Buffer w/ Ions and Scram+Web) 3) Ishkur (Armor Buffer w/ Electrons, Cap Booster, Web, and 1x Centii C-Type Remote Armor Repair)
The Vengeance is almost never primaried until it is too late for the enemy gang and they can no longer break the Vengeance's self-rep of almost 800 DPS tank w/ a Standard Exile and Legion Links. The Vengeance pilot has to be good at logi, though. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
213
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:50:00 -
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2x Gila
1 Falcon
Don't for get the logistics and ew drones. |
Luis Alejandro Flores
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.11.06 20:51:00 -
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1 T3 link ship. 1 DPS ship of your choice, and a falcon just in case you think you're going to die. |
AnUnskilled Pilot
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:28:00 -
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If you don't want to spend over 500 mil like everyone is suggesting try this:
Tanked interceptor with targeting speed. Dragoon or algos with full drone dps lows - remote reps high armor repair frig
Assign drones to ceptor and surprise repair the logo when they target it |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
165
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:27:00 -
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Most RR gangs tend to do well in small numbers, but keep some concepts in mind:
1. Make sure everyone's top speed is the same. Try to get their agility similar as well. The last thing you want is to say "okay, anchor is pulsing MWD" and one guy falls behind because he fitted an AB and goes half the speed.
2. Make sure people know what a watchlist is and how to use one.
3. Drone setups tend to be easier to start and are less forgiving. RR Tristans anchored onto an Enyo, for instance, I've found to be very useful with the Enyo also rocking an AAR and Tristans just locking themselves/Enyo up and assisting drones.
4. When running into complexes, actually be organized. Have everyone align down the acc gate then have the tank ship go in first, count to three, then have the other two go in. Most FCs / small gangs will primary the first thing that comes through...even if it's a Vengeance or Maller.
If you follow these secrets, you too may one day be as successful in small gang pvp as the elite in Black Rise. |
Jason Udan Ender
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:23:00 -
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well you could go for 2 hawks and 1 griffin you could eazly take out bc with perma jaming the bc |
Zuria Rakel
Collapsed Out Shadow Cartel
7
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:57:00 -
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AnUnskilled Pilot wrote:If you don't want to spend over 500 mil like everyone is suggesting try this:
Tanked interceptor with targeting speed. Dragoon or algos with full drone dps lows - remote reps high armor repair frig
Assign drones to ceptor and surprise repair the logo when they target it
Assisting drones does not work well in lowsec.
Perhaps it's difrent if you are in FW and only shoot WTs. But I wouldnt recommend building a gang based on it. |
Aurora Fatalis
Blacklight Recon Mordus Angels
34
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:52:00 -
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Back when I just started getting cruiser skills, I flew 2x Arbitrators with the only other person I knew at the time. It was super-fun compared to the Maller I had flown until then, since there were more buttons to consider than just lasers and propulsion.
Then we flew some 2x combat Augorors for ***** and giggles. It was hilarious and surprisingly effective, since people would see two noob < 4 month old characters in Augorors derping around alone, and engage with stuff that mathematically cannot kill them.
Now that I've been EFT warrioring a bit, my #1 suggestion for hilarious 3-man-gangs is 3x Sacrilege with Remote Reppers in the utility high and a Large Capacitor Battery II to be safe from neuts. That has to be awesome fun, playing kind of like Tinker-tank Tengus.
If you're posting from your main you'll probably only have access to Minmatar T1 cruisers at the most, in which case I'll suggest Talwars or, if you're bad at fleet coordination, Breachers. Once you're feeling well-coordinated, you could perhaps splice it up with a Hyena once Rubicon hits.
Of course, despite popular recommendation, you could run with a logi, and if you've never flown a small-gang logi, I'll highly recommend it. Not because it's the most effective, but simply because it's fun! Stick as much self-rep on a T1 logi frig that you can, and rejoice as you tank anyone who think to kite your gang in a Condor or Kestrel. Use its frigate mobility to avoid insta-blaps.
It's cheap, different, unexpected, and far from the worst use of a low-skillpoint player! |
God's Apples
AQUILA INC
176
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:13:00 -
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For small kiting setups with cruisers and up you usually want two heavier hitting, far projecting ships such as shield sentry ishtars or shield taloses alongside a ship know as "anti-support" that is good at dunking fast tackle at range such as a RLML caracal or nomen. A very common example of this you see is Ishtar/Ishtar/Cerb. You also have the option of fast tackle or support instead of your anti-support/one dps ship. Examples are dramiel/zealot/mach or talos/talos/rapier or oracle/caracal/celestis.
Brawling gangs have a bit more options. Usually you want ships that have enough midslots to be able to fit scram/web as otherwise your enemies can just shoot the one guy doing all the webbing and leave. At a gang this small you are all able to fit active tanks and still be effective so a trio of XLASB cyclones works. If you plan on all being buffer you should consider having a tanky fast tackler such as armor SFI/ScyFi. Spider tanking also becomes an option. RR sacs/ishtars on the more expensive side and if you're cheap rr vexors are fun too.
On a frig level things are a bit simpler. You can easily just do 3 dps ships like 3 blaster MWD merlins which works out totally fine. Senteniel/hyena/keres with two long ranged frigs like slicers |
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