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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:27:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Malcanis wrote:EVE already has the best free to play model in the business. The only problem it requires grind for the majority of people. If you are space rich off the backs of others, then you don't need to log in only so often, but there are only a handful of people who fall under that category. I think I would enjoy EVE more if I didn't have to log on as much is what I am trying to say. But CCP will have none of that. At current prices, a single plex costs 20.5 mil isk per DAY. That's 20-25 minutes per day in a null sec anomaly like forsaken hub if you are flying a crappy t1 BS or attack battlecruiser. Hell, doing ONE site in non-shiny HQ incursion fleet flying a tech 1 BS pays 31 mil + lp. You could literally join a high sec incursion fleet, run ONE HQ site with them per day and at the end of the month you could buy a plex and have STILL have a quarter bil+ isk left to spend on space-hookers and space-blow. And you would enjoy a game more if you didn't have to play that game as much? At what point do you realize that the game in question is not your cup of tea?
I don't like null politics and I don't trust WH corporations. Also I hate mission running and ratting much less incursions.
Also, if people are buying plex to sell for isk it means there is a good portion of the player base who don't earn enough isk to warrant actually buying the plex.
Also personally, I can earn 2-3 plex's every weekend so its not like I have to log in every day.
I mentioned before I actually plex'd 3 accounts til January 30 so I might as well be playing.
Actually... I should check my market orders now.
And truth be told I sort of do enjoy the process of making the isk. Its just that I believe the majority of players who buy their plex do so through grinding of certain actives like missioning which seem like a chore.
It just feels like I have a 200lb on my back to make sure I earn enough isk all the damn time even though I don't.
I just don't like the idea of having to play all the time even if its only 2-3 days a week. I sometimes like to take breaks for a month and do other things for a bit. I want to be free to not play the game when I choose not to. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3212
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:44:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:
I don't like null politics and I don't trust WH corporations.
Who said anything about poltics? Do you have to join a WH corp to solo a class 3 or below wormhole in a drake? Do you have to join a corp to jump into a cheap ship, go to null sec and find ONE forsaken hub/Rally point and spend 20-3- minutes a day (less if you know what you are doing) earning enough to play the game for free?
Quote:Also I hate mission running and ratting much less incursions.
Industry? You can afk mine in a tanked mining ship with eve in the back ground and while it takes much longer, its effortless and cheap.
You're making excuses. You're saying you can't trade 20-30 minutes of your time for EVE. That's ok, but that's no reason for true "free to play" in EVE.
Quote: Also, if people are buying plex to sell for isk it means there is a good portion of the player base who don't earn enough isk to warrant actually buying the plex.
No, it means some people want a short cut, or see plex as a business oppurtunity. You're assumption here is wrong.
Quote: Also personally, I can earn 2-3 plex's every weekend so its not like I have to log in every day.
I mentioned before I actually plex'd 3 accounts til January 30 so I might as well be playing.
Actually... I should check my market orders now.
And truth be told I sort of do enjoy the process of making the isk. Its just that I believe the majority of players who buy their plex do so through grinding of certain actives like missioning which seem like a chore.
It just feels like I have a 200lb on my back to make sure I earn enough isk all the damn time even though I don't.
I just don't like the idea of having to play all the time even if its only 2-3 days a week. I sometimes like to take breaks for a month and do other things for a bit. I want to be free to not play the game when I choose not to.
You are free to do that. Sub with money, OR let your sub lapse and come back when you want to. What you seem to want is all the advantages and none of the trade offs/ The trade offs are what make EVE compelling.
The "feelings" you have most likely are the result of you trying to fit a square peg (your enjoyment) into a round hole (EVE). When you think a game is a "chore" it's not time for the game to change, it's time for you to make new and better choices.
If you think the tank game or a game where people shoot fairy dust and arrows at each other via scantilly clad avatars (LoL) has "better gameplay" then EvE probably just doesn't suit you. And yes, I play World of Tanks and LoL, they are nice quick changes of pace from EvE, but only for a few minutes. |
cynthia greythorne
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
31
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:44:00 -
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'2) CCP sells character slots, ship paints, golden pods and more clothes and stuff. Basically, CCP sells as much as it can that doesn't have an impact on gameplay.
As they improve the game more people play and buy cosmetic items and CCP get richer.'
I can see that quickly degenerating into 'Evetropia'. What fun that would be. |
Atlantis Fuanan
Uncharted Skies Cerberus Unleashed
49
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:45:00 -
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EA is trying to slowly get Players used to upcomming free2play model? Things that would make EVE better: NRDS - Remove Local - Balance Cloak - Sov-Mechanic Changes - Less QQ |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
307
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:47:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Malcanis wrote:EVE already has the best free to play model in the business. The only problem it requires grind for the majority of people. If you are space rich off the backs of others, then you don't need to log in only so often, but there are only a handful of people who fall under that category
You could be spacerich off the backs of others too but you chose not to. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
573
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:50:00 -
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Well truth be told I hate LoL.
And what I am trying to say even though I don't have a problem making enough isk to plex 3 accounts, I don't like the idea that I have to play all the time even for 30 minutes a day.
Like I said, some weeks I don't feel like playing EVE.
I don't expect them to change the game because I don't like it.
It just means if I find a F2P game with enough long term strategic depth, I'll stop playing EVE.
And I suppose I won't be alone... "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:56:00 -
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Jim McMorris wrote:
At the moment, EVE cannot survive in the long-run
Its the only MMO to have a decade of growth. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:12:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Die in a ******* gunfire. (ingame) The quoted post, ladies and gentlemen, is based on the concept of "cheap pops" from World Wrestling Entertainment.
24 Likes and counting. ^_^
There's so much meta, my eyes sparkle! :D
How does this post influence the behaviour of the observer in context of liking the quoted post ?
Will he "dislike" it, in case he has read through the whole thread ? Will he like it, if he has only jumped to the middle/end of the thread ? Will others, former Likers-of-the-quoted-post, read this post and now unlike it ?
Do you share the opinion displayed in the quoted post ?
Will you respond at all ?
"hm ...", "hm.. interesting", "wtf?", "i want his drugs", "not that guy AGAIN", "**** you, sol",
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It's the stream-of-consciousness philosophy, combined with the Surrealists' Automatic Writing paradigm. (i have no idea. nobody ever said *that* to me ^_^) something totally unrelated, like an opinion about Likes (there's always that one guy, but he is - in fact - many ... :/ ) "like-whoring", "troll", the own POV on what one believes is the point of the post, or ...
... just a Like ? |
Solomunio Kzenig
Incursions Missions and Mining
12
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:35:00 -
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To the OP, aren't you that doucheag CCP hired from EA? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
935
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:59:00 -
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Eve online has the best payment structure of any game I have Ever played. It's been free to play since I started in '08. I have chosen to pay $34.95 (each) for my first 3 accounts to get a head start.
Making it follow the standard model of free to play would wreck it utterly and completely. Comparing it to STO is a joke. Comparing it to SC is apples to oranges. STO aint bad for an F2P MMO but the graphics suck and it only has an edge on eve in one or 2 small facets. And either game can release any numbers they want, Eve has WAY more players.
Anyway its a terrible idea. CCP would loose millions a month. That's not cool.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
544
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:30:00 -
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Star Citizen is going to blow goats. /thread That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Matokin Lemant
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:52:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Malcanis wrote:EVE already has the best free to play model in the business. The only problem it requires grind for the majority of people. If you are space rich off the backs of others, then you don't need to log in only so often, but there are only a handful of people who fall under that category. I think I would enjoy EVE more if I didn't have to log on as much is what I am trying to say. But CCP will have none of that. At current prices, a single plex costs 20.5 mil isk per DAY. That's 20-25 minutes per day in a null sec anomaly like forsaken hub if you are flying a crappy t1 BS or attack battlecruiser. Hell, doing ONE site in non-shiny HQ incursion fleet flying a tech 1 BS pays 31 mil + lp. You could literally join a high sec incursion fleet, run ONE HQ site with them per day and at the end of the month you could buy a plex and have STILL have a quarter bil+ isk left to spend on space-hookers and space-blow. And you would enjoy a game more if you didn't have to play that game as much? At what point do you realize that the game in question is not your cup of tea?
Yes that is all well and good for people who are in one of the large null power blocks and have access to high quality null sec anomaly allot of the player base dont.
As for HQ incursions its not that easy to get into an HQ fleet. People all have blues and the like who fleet up to run incursions together. You have to be one of the people who do them frequently to even get a look in on an HQ fleet.
And honestly who likes just grinding isk 24/7 just to keep there account(s) open...one of the reasons I only have one out of my 3X running currently. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4213
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:37:00 -
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Matokin Lemant wrote:Yes that is all well and good for people who are in one of the large null power blocks and have access to high quality null sec anomaly allot of the player base don't.
Hisec pilots have access to Incursions too, y'know. Get a fleet together, make 60M ISK/hr while barely trying.
The only thing stopping you is your will to fail.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:29:00 -
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Seriously, every thread in GD that propose s a feature is "nope". |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:32:00 -
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Celestra Doxaila wrote:Seriously, every thread in GD that propose s a feature is "nope". Not everyone. Just the ones that are bad. And the ones that belong in F&IGǪ
GǪoh wait. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1875
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:11:00 -
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This thread again?
Star Citizen isn't a threat to EVE. Both games offer completely different features. Just by virtue of both being in space does not make them similar. Comparing them is like comparing a pair of cross trainers to high heels just because they are both a type of shoe. There is a comparison, sure, but it's in the differences, not the similarities. There are more differences than similarities, and that makes them completely different game types.
As for your entire F2P argument, it's based on the premises that EVE is a 'bad bad game' and it's losing subs. Both of these are false premises which you have failed to articulate. It is also based off the speculative premise that EVE is going to lose more subs to SC. As stated, this is speculative at best, and highly unlikely, due to the fact that even if people do 'switch', they will discover the differences between both games and most likely be back on EVE, if not playing both games. In any case, it's pure speculation at this point, and despite the amount of money Mr Roberts has made for his 'little' project, most of it has come from a very dedicated Wing Commander fan base, which at this stage is much smaller in population than the existing EVE fan base.
In other words, if you were to take everyone that donated money to the SC Kickstarter and line them up with the people paying for EVE subs, the EVE line would be longer, and that's taking alt accounts into consideration as well.
EVE's subscription system is the most successful subscription system of any game ever. That's why EVE's player base is always in steady growth, whereas every other MMO on the market, including WOW, has hit a peak and started to decline. WOW won't decline quickly, or quietly, but it is in decline. The other reason for EVE's success here is its uniqueness. There is no other game quite like it currently on the market.
If you really must have a CCP game to compare Star Citizen to, however, I would suggest taking a look at their up and coming Valkyrie title. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:22:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I fall for every troll and write massive posts to refute them Well done |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1875
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:42:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I fall for every troll and write massive posts to refute them Well done
Trolling is against forum rules. I just naturally assume people are generally capable of following the rules. If this thread is a troll, then it needs to be locked. How you came by that conclusion, what with you not being the OP of course, is interesting, but no doubt merely speculative in and of itself. You trolling me just now, however, in such a disrespectful fashion, is nothing short of flaming, which is also against the rules. At least I had the courtesy and maturity to address the OP with reasoned and carefully assessed and articulated discussion points. Was it a bit too long for you?
All you've really done here is make an assumption about the OP, then based on that assumption, try to put me down. So far, though, I've managed to escape the cynicism and bitterness and subsequent speculations of the real trolls on the forums, like yourself of course, who are really only here to seek out weakness and exploit it for the sake of their own ego growth. I hope it was worth it, but that's probably why trolling is against the rules. At least, if the OP was trolling, he was doing it with civility instead of spite.
I stand by my choice to take the OP seriously, because I prefer to seek the best in people. Some, like you, might call that naive. But that's why the world is going to ****, and unfortunately, it's hard to see the best in people that put their worst so openly on display like yourself.
I recommend you go find yourself a good Disney movie and try to remember what it was like, long ago, when you could at least address people as if they had the right to respect. Because if you can't show respect to begin with, you most certainly don't deserve to have it returned. And yet, here I am, and I still have shown you no spite or disrespect myself, even though after that crap, you wholly deserve it.
I do believe that makes me the better man.
Cheers for that. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
938
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:00:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I fall for every troll and write massive posts to refute them Well done Trolling is against forum rules. I just naturally assume people are generally capable of following the rules. If this thread is a troll, then it needs to be locked. How you came by that conclusion, what with you not being the OP of course, is interesting, but no doubt merely speculative in and of itself. You trolling me just now, however, in such a disrespectful fashion, is nothing short of flaming, which is also against the rules. At least I had the courtesy and maturity to address the OP with reasoned and carefully assessed and articulated discussion points. Was it a bit too long for you? All you've really done here is make an assumption about the OP, then based on that assumption, try to put me down. So far, though, I've managed to escape the cynicism and bitterness and subsequent speculations of the real trolls on the forums, like yourself of course, who are really only here to seek out weakness and exploit it for the sake of their own ego growth. I hope it was worth it, but that's probably why trolling is against the rules. At least, if the OP was trolling, he was doing it with civility instead of spite. I stand by my choice to take the OP seriously, because I prefer to seek the best in people. Some, like you, might call that naive. But that's why the world is going to ****, and unfortunately, it's hard to see the best in people that put their worst so openly on display like yourself. I recommend you go find yourself a good Disney movie and try to remember what it was like, long ago, when you could at least address people as if they had the right to respect. Because if you can't show respect to begin with, you most certainly don't deserve to have it returned. And yet, here I am, and I still have shown you no spite or disrespect myself, even though after that crap, you wholly deserve it. I do believe that makes me the better man. Cheers for that.
Someone make an mp3 of this. I'd do it myself but my wife already thinks I'm crazy. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
456
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:10:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I fall for every troll and write massive posts to refute them Well done I fall for every troll and write massive posts to refute them Well d.. oh wait..
leaving well fed |
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Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
543
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Posted - 2013.11.01 03:52:00 -
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Are you that EA guy? I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Knights Armament
Operator Chan
85
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Posted - 2013.11.01 23:42:00 -
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star citizen is not going to have meaningful pvp.
Respawning in the ship you just saw blown to bits isn't hardcore enough for me. https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Allison A'vani
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
53
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Posted - 2013.11.01 23:57:00 -
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Lol ya'll nubs be posting in a troll thread.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/866/YallN1ggazPostinInATrollThread.jpg |
Shrike Arghast
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:19:00 -
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If you can't afford to play MMORPGs, then you clearly shouldn't be playing MMORPGs.
You should be working. |
Jim McMorris
Co-operative Group
26
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Posted - 2013.11.02 09:37:00 -
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Shrike Arghast wrote:If you can't afford to play MMORPGs, then you clearly shouldn't be playing MMORPGs.
You should be working.
I can afford to buy a campervan, but I won't buy it. If they were offering me the campervan for free, I'd take it.
It's really simple. why pay? |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4288
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Posted - 2013.11.02 09:49:00 -
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Jim McMorris wrote:Shrike Arghast wrote:If you can't afford to play MMORPGs, then you clearly shouldn't be playing MMORPGs.
You should be working. I can afford to buy a campervan, but I won't buy it. If they were offering me the campervan for free, I'd take it. It's really simple. Which doesn't connect to her post at all. "can not afford" != "not willing to spend money on" |
samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
119
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Posted - 2013.11.02 10:35:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I fall for every troll and write massive posts to refute them Well done
The biggest problem with troll posts is that you occasionally get other innocents on the forums believing the Bul*****
Thus a proper refutal must always be made lest some poor newb actually believes all the scare stories of the week
Including but by no means restricted to such fallacies as:
The Blue Doughnut I'm a good PvPer Mittens The CSM are Shills AFK cloakers kill people minerbumping is a breach of human rights the thorax was designed by someone who didn't put it in as a joke EvE is dying Goons are evil (and CCP) null seccers hate hi-seccers Drake minerals mined are free
and other such brilliant tin foil hattery.and generally badly thought out ideas
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Arresy Barres
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.02 11:21:00 -
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Thanks to OP, half of the sandwich I was eating as scrolling over GD is now stuck in my throat and the other half on the table and keyboard.
Now, as I collect the pieces back and wash down with a cup of water what I was coughing intensely upon, man, this thread is just too good. I don't even know if OP was serious, if he isn't, this thread is golden. If he is, though, this thread is even more golden.
While we're at it, why don't we implement flaming skins for interceptors, make yellow skins for all Amarr banana ships, and graffiti skins for titans, yeah buddy, because surely enough EVE Online is a dieing game, oh how sad this is, let's all hold our hands and cry, because EVE might not be around next year. ;_; |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
856
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Posted - 2013.11.02 11:43:00 -
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Jim McMorris wrote:Alright guys I've got this one. At the moment, EVE cannot survive in the long-run, which is what CCP want the game to be a - a game lasting decades, not years. With biggies like Star Citizen coming round with one-time fees and no-subs, there's gonna be some serious questions asked by the players. Questions like this: "Why am I still paying for this bad bad game when star citizen is a lot cheaper?" This question will mean people will unsubscribe. We've also noticed a big trend in the MMO world going away from subs, that trend isn't fully done yet. But when it is, who knows what'll happen to the CCP. The big business model transFORMATIONOkay guys, so here's how I think CCP should do it. 1) EVE becomes free. Anybody can make account, download and start getting scammed by goons. 2) CCP sells character slots, ship paints, golden pods and more clothes and stuff. Basically, CCP sells as much as it can that doesn't have an impact on gameplay. 3) Population of EVE rises. There are huge huge wars because there are so many people fighting and having fun. 4) EVE is a lot better, more dynamic. Look at all of the politics with 400k people fighting for a finite amount of space. Imagine 5 million people fighting for the same amount of space? It would be crazy. Absolutely crazy. This would probably INCREASE CCPs profits as well. I'd recommend that they do this IPO on the stockmarket they were talking about, as that will get the big businesses interested and posting articles about this awesome sci-fi sim. All of the hardcore eve fans, like the mitani, will probably buy shares - so they'll have even more money to improve the game. As they improve the game more people play and buy cosmetic items and CCP get richer. Thoughts please. Thread update:Thanks for feedback guys, I think there are a few more points worth adding here. 1) CCP should also consider the option of buy to play. Perhaps a -ú39.99 to get access to the game client, but fees after that - this would ensure there is a paywall to supplement CCP profits and keep out the hacking community. With the increased profits, CCP would have greater confidence in following a strictly cosmetic cash4items scheme. Buy to play has been an extremely successful model and I think it is particularly relevant to EVE ONLINE. Why? The model in GW2 has triggered slow but steady growth, this is the type of growth CCP has always been experiencing with EVE. http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/23/lead-designer-says-guild-wars-2-is-growing-its-playerbase/2) Secondly, a steam launch as free to play would be a great bolster to current numbers. 0.9 of the world's population has a steam account. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/10/30/0-9-of-the-global-population-have-steam-accounts/
they already have the best free to play model with PLEX, nothing else needed
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4292
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Posted - 2013.11.02 14:26:00 -
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30 Likes and counting. ^_^
Did you, person 30, ever reach this post ? |
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