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Shpijon
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Posted - 2006.02.07 15:27:00 -
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ok here is the question i am starting manufacture have a T1 BPO's for most of the ships and eqipment but considering upgrading them to T2 so how do i get T2 BPO's the fastest way and wich of them is easyest to get from R&D agents? and wich ones are the longest and not worth the time invested for a start.
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Emily Spankratchet
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Posted - 2006.02.07 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 07/02/2006 16:22:52 The only fast and reliable way to get T2 BPOs is to buy them, either from escrow (try not to get scammed) or the sell orders forum. Good BPOs tend to be expensive (a T2 ship BPO went recently for 45 billion ISK). Mind you, so do terrible BPOs that will never make any money.
The alternative is using R&D agents (see the player guide for a reasonably good introduction to research agents). This takes time and skills and is, by its very nature, a lottery. I've had research agents for over a year and have no T2 BPOs. Other people win the lottery almost immediately. Fortune is a fickle mistress. If you want to stand a good chance getting a BPO, don't research in an extremely popular field such a starship engineering. Do research in a field where the agent says there are predictable BPOs.
If you are thinking of buying or you win the lottery, Dark Shikari offers a T2 BPO appraisal service (see his posts in the market forum). I'm not affiliated in any way with DS, but he appears to know what he's talking about most of the time.
(Edited out some of my stupidity)
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Shpijon
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Posted - 2006.02.07 16:43:00 -
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tnks for respond but if Starship Resaearch is popular and my chances are low to win anything in it wich field of Research stay empty or low populated and will give me more chances?
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Kharakan
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Posted - 2006.02.07 22:08:00 -
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I advise research in the 'dictionary' and 'english' fields.
Originally by: ParMizaN evry1ghasb a limiy...
...and ijust reached it ahaha...
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer I am annexing your space! Haha! I win! - Wrangler Imaran > Wrangler |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.07 22:20:00 -
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Make the cash through hard work and buy yourself one.
In a year of research I've gotten nothing.
In a year of hard work I've gone from nothing to a single 1.2b BPO to two BPOs worth 5b to two BPOs worth 11b. -- Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
<3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron |
Bedrock
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Posted - 2006.02.07 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shpijon tnks for respond but if Starship Resaearch is popular and my chances are low to win anything in it wich field of Research stay empty or low populated and will give me more chances?
Unfortunately CCP does not disclose that kind of information, there are no "figures" that indicate which field of research has the least amount of people researching. Basically the rule of thumb is, train in something other than Starship engineering and you're odds increase (slightly).
Also, do not make R&D and profession, (would have been nice if CCP did design this part of the game more interesting but thats a whole other debate). What you want to do is agent run a particular faction or better yet a Corporation that has a R&D Division. Get as much standings as you possibly can (until you get bored) and train up Research Management Skill (40 mil book). Increasing the number of agents working for you increases your odds, also the higher the standing you are with the corp would determine your RP/day.
GOOD LUCK
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Just Smith
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Posted - 2006.02.07 22:59:00 -
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best way of geting one is to try to kill the person in empire with it, as thats the only way you might get the older bpos and most of the new ones if you have not been offered
if they are strong, avoid them, if they are angry, disturb them, if they are confused, take them, if they are relaxed, toil them,
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.02.07 23:39:00 -
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Niaski Zalani
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Posted - 2006.02.08 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Make the cash through hard work and buy yourself one.
In a year of research I've gotten nothing.
In a year of hard work I've gone from nothing to a single 1.2b BPO to two BPOs worth 5b to two BPOs worth 11b.
Yep, this is basically what I did. Works! include 'clue'; if ($youdontliket2prices == 1) { $dontbuyt2 == 1 }; |
Vaar
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Posted - 2006.02.08 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Niaski Zalani
Originally by: Dark Shikari Make the cash through hard work and buy yourself one.
In a year of research I've gotten nothing.
In a year of hard work I've gone from nothing to a single 1.2b BPO to two BPOs worth 5b to two BPOs worth 11b.
Yep, this is basically what I did. Works!
I have had a bit of help but yeah for the most part. Work your butt off before buying a T2 bpo (try and do some research so you can buy a relatively cheap BPO which will earn you decent cash). Than keep earning money and when the opportunties present themselves re-invest it once more. In about a year I have gone from 1 Good BPO to 8 BPOs including a good one.
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Shpijon
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Posted - 2006.02.08 16:22:00 -
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ok so i understand its better to just continue mining in 0.0 earn money and invest money into T2 BPO's but every one of u say he buyed 1 and then made money on it and buyed more so question in simple wich BPO did u buy first or what BPO should i invest money in for geting profit after it.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.08 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shpijon ok so i understand its better to just continue mining in 0.0 earn money and invest money into T2 BPO's but every one of u say he buyed 1 and then made money on it and buyed more so question in simple wich BPO did u buy first or what BPO should i invest money in for geting profit after it.
The vast majority of the money I earned to buy more BPOs was not from the T2 BPOs I already owned. -- Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
<3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron |
Shpijon
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Posted - 2006.02.08 17:43:00 -
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so is it possible to invest money into T2 BPO so it will start bringing more money then the BPO it self costed to acomulate more money for new BPO's purchase? or its predicted loose on every BPO i buy if yes i dont realy see a reson to do it then if its imposible to earn good money on produsing it just atm i am mining most of the time geting lots of zydrin/megacyte/morphite i thinked i can earn more if i start manufacturing myself and not just selling the ore any one have a suggestion?
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Gretchen Dawntreader
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Posted - 2006.02.08 18:11:00 -
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I have to wonder if the tech II BPOs that get up to Sagan-level prices ("billions and billions") aren't just being bought to try to resell for more. Strikes me you would have to sell a heck of a lot of ships or ammo or whatever to try to make back billions of isk.
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Shpijon
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Posted - 2006.02.08 18:55:00 -
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yes its exactly what i am thinking off couse for example a AF - Vengeance BPO was selling for 6-8bil i think and each ship selling for 7-9m with mattirial cost of 5-6m so its 1-3m proffit / ship count up the amoth needed to cover up the BPO cost its why i think u cannot actualy make a good profit on ship crafting and if some one know what u can realy make money on to cover up BPO cost and start making profit write it down with calculation if possible plz.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gretchen Dawntreader I have to wonder if the tech II BPOs that get up to Sagan-level prices ("billions and billions") aren't just being bought to try to resell for more. Strikes me you would have to sell a heck of a lot of ships or ammo or whatever to try to make back billions of isk.
Most BPOs that get sold a lot are sold because people buy them for tons, realize they suck, and sell them to someone else. After a long game of hot potato everyone stops buying. -- Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
<3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron |
Shpijon
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:57:00 -
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ok so lets me get it right after all this any T2 BPO i buy i actualy instantly loose money and 99% not gona earn the BPO cost from making the product is this situation with all the T2 BPO's or only ships BPO's?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.08 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shpijon ok so lets me get it right after all this any T2 BPO i buy i actualy instantly loose money and 99% not gona earn the BPO cost from making the product is this situation with all the T2 BPO's or only ships BPO's?
Of course this isn't true.
It completely depends on the blueprint. A lot of old blueprints are slow but good moneymakers, as the price probably won't change much.
Most ship BPOs are good. A general guideline though is that BPOs rarely go up in value just after they're released--they go down drastically as everyone realizes they're not as good as they though. So buying BPOs upon release is generally a bad idea. -- Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
<3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron |
Shpijon
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Posted - 2006.02.08 22:39:00 -
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ok i was thinking about vengeance and 10AB/Small Repair T2 BPO's are they good but slow money makers or ill lose my pants on it and if u know any other good BPO's that bring money plz explain
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Tomas Nuerin
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Posted - 2006.02.09 08:52:00 -
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I think there is very few T2 bpo's for sale that actually pay back their purchase price in reasonable time. Real money maker bpo's rarely end up for sale.
Take a very good look to bpo info before buying it. T2 building times can surprise you.
As for R&D, you'll need luck for buying "good" T2 bpo too...
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Shiruwazu
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Posted - 2006.02.10 15:40:00 -
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Miner II BPO's were quite good moneymakers :P
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shpijon ok i was thinking about vengeance and 10AB/Small Repair T2 BPO's are they good but slow money makers or ill lose my pants on it and if u know any other good BPO's that bring money plz explain
10mn AB II would probably be the best of those.
Small reps sell for very low margins, and the Vengeance sucks however you cut it. -- Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
<3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron |
Zekks MarKeys
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Posted - 2006.02.11 15:51:00 -
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Quote: Make the cash through hard work and buy yourself one.
Imagine these 2 letters fill up your whole screen what dark says is QFT
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Zekks MarKeys
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Posted - 2006.02.11 15:52:00 -
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meant 3 letters lol dman no edit button
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Sleepy Weasel
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Posted - 2006.02.11 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sleepy Weasel on 11/02/2006 18:45:54 Not owning any T2 BPO, but making an educated guess I think your goals are a bit off.
If you are planing on making your isk from production and mining, there are only a few ways to improve your income over time. This is to aquire t2 BPO. Sure you may not make a profit on your newly aquired BPOs, you will in fact put billions of your ISK out of commision for quite some time, however the BPO you purchased should, and i stress SHOULD be able to increase the amount of ISK you are earning in a given week. If you intend to go in go big and go home, buying a BPO is not a good idea. T2 BPO purchase is for the long haul. These guys with 8 BPO are now making conciderably more money in a week than they used to, and they dont plan on quitting just yet. So if you are in for the long haul, pay billions, and aquire a nice collection of BPOs over time. Maybe if you are lucky you will also win the lotto and that BPO is pure profit.
Seems like simple business 101 to me. But then again I make my best profits selling T1 ammo :) -SW
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