This whole discussion is pointless, cause the suicide ganking is on a different lvl. Suicide Ganks happens because you are in a ship, you dont need to have shiny officer fit anymore, you dont have to fly a expensive ship, they will gank you because its fun, nothing more....

There is a simple way to get this balanced, all HighSec kills shouldnt be on a Killboard in any way. And the Standing loss should be not only on the SS status, they should get further to fraction standing loss.

Example, a Capsule kill should be worth a Standing loss from the faction in the Region where the kill happend. A real big loss.
Or a Charban for a Week, of you kill a capsule in HighSec. Would be a nice idea to simulate jail.


No one can explain me, why the "pirates" only loose Security Standing. 1 Gank and you only loose 0.35 Standing... Thats riddiculous.....


As it is, it cant go on. New players are the loosers of the EvE Universe atm.


What i can see, CCP teaches ppl to be assholes and get them rewards and no real penaltys for that.

you can phrase what you want, Ganking without real penaltys for it, was and is allways the start for the End of the game. And im playing MMORPGs since 17 years now. I saw many games go down because of ganker.

I dont say, Ganking should be forbidden. Damn no, if someone wants to be a pirate, so be it. But it cant be, that he can move freely like any other Taxpaying char in this Sandbox. All bonuses and no risk at all, thats not working on a long distance for the game. But for that, CCP need to do real work, and make some changes.

I only cant see it anymore, that newbies, and all others only get killed, to get the Killboard up, or the ppl are bored so they Gank.

This System goes so on, until everyone ganks, or no more freighters moving products between the hubs.

protip -- at -10, they're killable by anyone and everyone in system.

If you choose to not go after them, then that's your prerogative.

Ah damn, i forgot, -10 is the bottom of the line.

xD i hope you see the pointless point in your argument.

Ah damn, i forgot, -10 is the bottom of the line.

xD i hope you see the pointless point in your argument.

Ganking without real penaltys for it, was and is allways the start for the End of the game. And im playing MMORPGs since 17 years now. I saw many games go down because of ganker.

I dont say, Ganking should be forbidden. Damn no, if someone wants to be a pirate, so be it. But it cant be, that he can move freely like any other Taxpaying char in this Sandbox. All bonuses and no risk at all, thats not working on a long distance for the game. But for that, CCP need to do real work, and make some changes.

Example, a Capsule kill should be worth a Standing loss from the faction in the Region where the kill happend. A real big loss.
Or a Charban for a Week, of you kill a capsule in HighSec. Would be a nice idea to simulate jail.

Assuming that you can freely attack any character with sec. of -5 and less, you pointless point is even more pointless.

But i clearly see why you butthurt: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21015260

There is an epic story to this that I'm not aware of yet.

You clearly did something to draw their ire because that was NOT a profitable gank.

It's still funny though.

He did nothing.

and that is why he lost his ship. If he overheated invulns and killed 1-2 of those catas with drones - he would've survived. But he was afk(my assumption, he lost capsule anyway)/chose to do nothing and paid for that.

He did nothing. If you look at their kills they killed a Kronos earlier that didn`t have much on it either.

My guess is they are doing it for fun. And that is exactly why this system needs to be changed.

Actually we were training some of the new guys how to make isk in highsec (exactly the same thing that you were trying to do running SOE missions), one of the simple ways is to find badly tanked ships with faction mods and shiny salvage. Between the dropped mods (drones) and salvage we more than paid back the initial investment in ships.

You see it as ruining your game, we see it as a nights entertainment for 10+ guys.

And of course it was fun, everyone on comms was laughing and having a good giggle most of the evening, but the best bit of the night was was Ronin's mad on comms after we failed at 5% structure on a 3b isk golem. C'est la vie.

Stop spinning and get real... by the time he locked them he was dead.

Clear case of griefing, he can try and report it but i doubt anything will be done as CCP is clearly pro griefing for allowing this crap.

tip -> overheating the invulns gets you +20% resist bonus ... not a lot, but possibly the difference between that KM and limping away at 5% structure ...

edit - can't really say 'protip' because I'm terrible at remembering to overheat things.

Could be, by with the numbers provided by Anabaric you can see it wouldn`t matter anyway they would be back in 15min and get him or get another player, the cost per Suicide Gank is so low for the ganker its stupid.

11 people died and they made profit with only 95mil worth of modules dropping. The victim lost 605 mil...

Also, it was a Rattlesnake(resist bonus) with 2x T2 Invulns and 2 T2 Shield Extenders. This is more EHP than most mission battleships have. And he only dropped 95mil worth of items and they still made money.

I really don`t think CCP knows these numbers... right now i`d wish a DEV would read this and comment as i really don`t think they know its this bad.

Could be, by with the numbers provided by Anabaric you can see it wouldn`t matter anyway they would be back in 15min and get him or get another player, the cost per Suicide Gank is so low for the ganker its stupid.

11 people died and they made profit with only 95mil worth of modules dropping. The victim lost 605 mil...

Also, it was a Rattlesnake(resist bonus) with 2x T2 Invulns and 2 T2 Shield Extenders. This is more EHP than most mission battleships have. And he only dropped 95mil worth of items and they still made money.

I really don`t think CCP knows these numbers... right now i`d wish a DEV would read this and comment as i really don`t think they know its this bad.

Before jumping into a ship worth more than 50-mil total , ask yourself:

Can I fit T2 guns?
Can I fit a T2 tank?
Do I know how to pilot this size of ship properly?

If any of that has a 'no' as an answer, stay the hell out of it.

I would counter that Meta 4 guns are a suitable level for a ship in some (not all) instances. E.G. a corp POS bash and throwing the people who're flying BC into Talos/Oracle.

1. if he survived, the smart thing to to would be "leave the bling in the hangar" ... they (likely) wouldn't bother killing a raven.
2. If he survived and chose to go back out in the bling ship and then lost it ... he learned nothing from the encounter just 15 minutes prior

3. CCP knows ... and they love it; you are entitled to your opinion though.

I can think of no instance in which Meta 4 guns are acceptable on a faction ship, T2 frigate, or T2 cruiser/battlecruiser. Maybe I just have a high bar, but I can't validate it.

My guess is they are doing it for fun. And that is exactly why this system needs to be changed.

Griefing has become so cheap they can afford to just do kill after kill, and as you can notice the victim has no chance.

He had a T2 tank... he did not have the guns but it would have made 0 difference, as he had no time to lock them anyway.

Besides, the fun part is getting the ship and then improving this and that as you go... not getting it with perfect skills leaving nothing to be improved.(personal opinion)

This is how New Players evolve... they scrape by to barely afford the ship, then make some money in it while improving their skills, get the next one, get bored of missions and go for PVP and so on. If you gank the player in the middle of this chain he might quit, a lot do... and EVE is a niche game already no further reason to grief the New Players into quitting.

We will see, i understand players don`t care, but CCP should care...

who me? or someone else?

I mean we can change the scenario I proposed however you want ... still lookin for an answer though

My guess is they are doing it for fun. And that is exactly why this system needs to be changed.

Griefing has become so cheap they can afford to just do kill after kill, and as you can notice the victim has no chance.

So dear CCP, will you allow this griefing to continue or will you stop it?

Not you, the OP.

He was all upset about how a miner needed a 50% chance to survive a gank from 3-4 catalysts. I present numbers which show it can suck up 9 or more....and he's went all quiet and continued to cry about how terribly unfair it is that people wont play the game his way edit: or perhaps more fairly - upset that people play the game their way.


Edit: I'm old enough to remember the olden days when some people mined in Rokhs. Still possible, and created a 'mining' boat with 222k EHP (55/45 split of thermal/kinetic DPS), 8 miner II and 2 MLU II. 300k if you heat the hardeners.

You want to mine and laugh at catalysts? There you go.

I had 3 guys that have been playing the game less than you in fleet most of the night. They aren't planning on unsubbing anytime soon... 3:1 odds on happy newbies.
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