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Icer Xx
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:31:00 -
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So as part of the nightmare in new eden i brought my archon to triage for some fun. I was getting primed by everyone so I refitted to some bulkheads and a DC. So the incomeing damage got me to 10% armor and then Poof....
I was confused for a few days on how my kill mail Makalu Zarya and Serotta doing more then 100k more damage then the rest of the isthars.
Upon looking at my logs I found this:
http://i.imgur.com/72nEQ3h.png
Note the single sentrys hitting for over 120k each on 60% resists.
Video Proof
Just wanted to make this public. I'm not in anyway saying PL had any high jinx I think something to do with CCP since one of the chimeras we shot was only taking 20 damage from a sentry drone 10km from him.
Just some food for tought
Yes the loss has now been petitioned to see what happened. |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
263
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:33:00 -
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Icer Xx wrote:So as part of the nightmare in new eden i brought my archon to triage for some fun. I was getting primed by everyone so I refitted to some bulkheads and a DC. So the incomeing damage got me to 10% armor and then Poof.... I was confused for a few days on how my kill mail Makalu Zarya and Serotta doing more then 100k more damage then the rest of the isthars. Upon looking at my logs I found this: http://i.imgur.com/72nEQ3h.png Note the single sentrys hitting for over 120k each on 60% resists. Video ProofJust wanted to make this public. I'm not in anyway saying PL had any high jinx I think something to do with CCP since one of the chimeras we shot was only taking 20 damage from a sentry drone 10km from him. Just some food for taught Yes the loss has now been petitioned to see what happened.
Drone assist tactix are OP, plz tell me more.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6801
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:48:00 -
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You should mail them over Xbox live and pretend to be a GM saying 'that you knw their ussing Hax and there working on making U banned 4 it."
Make sure you use **** uneducated texting grammar when you do it too..because that makes it super legit.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:57:00 -
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btw, Icer's spelling of "Thought" is correct in Irish, it's just the way he says it.
Also, this is pretty ridiculous to be honest! I don't really understand the OP Curator II. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:00:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You should mail them over Xbox live and pretend to be a GM saying 'that you knw their ussing Hax and there working on making U banned 4 it."
Make sure you use **** uneducated texting grammar when you do it too..because that makes it super legit.
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Khrane
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:17:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Drone assist tactix are OP, plz tell me more.
Why troll the OP?
There is a bug/exploit here.
21 Ishtars are not going to do 250k+ damage to a 60% minimum resisted archon in the span of 1 second.
Also that damage log shows damage per drone not groups. |
Sala Cameron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
121
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:52:00 -
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We've noticed this as well and brought the problem forward to CCP, so they're aware of it. |
Icer Xx
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:58:00 -
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Thanks Sala I knew i voted for you for a reason :P
Also why u no do more rag videos -.- |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
1140
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:06:00 -
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Dem crits ~ |
Icer Xx
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:08:00 -
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Full crit build Isthars to stronk. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4228
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:19:00 -
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Icer Xx wrote:Full crit build Isthars to stronk.
There's a bit of a difference between "too strong" and "incredibly broken". Looks like Makalu needs to stay out of sentry Ishtars for while to avoid CCP discovering his secret sauce. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:38:00 -
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This is CCP getting its hull kill thing wrong again, and possibly only for sentries, rather than all weapon types.
ie I imagine your logs don't have any giant hits on shield or armor.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
971
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:42:00 -
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It's possibly intentional ..
to compensate for the general shittiness that typically identifies drone performances and usability |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:43:00 -
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Icer Xx wrote:So as part of the nightmare in new eden i brought my archon to triage for some fun. I was getting primed by everyone so I refitted to some bulkheads and a DC. So the incomeing damage got me to 10% armor and then Poof.... I was confused for a few days on how my kill mail Makalu Zarya and Serotta doing more then 100k more damage then the rest of the isthars. Upon looking at my logs I found this: http://i.imgur.com/72nEQ3h.png Note the single sentrys hitting for over 120k each on 60% resists. Video ProofJust wanted to make this public. I'm not in anyway saying PL had any high jinx I think something to do with CCP since one of the chimeras we shot was only taking 20 damage from a sentry drone 10km from him. Just some food for taught Yes the loss has now been petitioned to see what happened.
You're about a year late on the sentry/drone assist thing m8
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6209
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:52:00 -
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Hopefully you get the Archon back. This is clearly not working as intended and CCP's logs should show that. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6209
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:53:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:You're about a year late on the sentry/drone assist thing m8
You didn't even read his post. He's not even talking about their normal function. He seems to have discovered a bug which monumentally (and game-breakingly) inflates the sentry's ability to deal damage. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
Lupo diCotze
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:03:00 -
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While it looks glitchy and something awry server side - you were in armor - so only 15% resists from the DC II - not 60%.
Aren't the figures in the log showing dmg after resists have been taken into account? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6209
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:15:00 -
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Lupo diCotze wrote:While it looks glitchy and something awry server side - you were in armor - so only 15% resists from the DC II - not 60%.
Aren't the figures in the log showing dmg after resists have been taken into account? And after armor comes structure, hence the 60% resist. He also had 3(?) reinforced bulkhead IIs, bringing his structure HP up to 335,693.
The two sentries hit for 129,893 and 121,148 damage after resists. If this damage were done entirely to structure it would have been about 314,000 average raw damage per sentry.
Just to demonstrate how ridiculous this is: a Bouncer II on a fully skilled Ishtar with 5x "Unit W-634's Drone Damage Amplifier" has a volley damage of 654, which means in the very best case scenario you'll get wrecking shots 1% of the time for 1,962 damage (before resists). Not 300,000+ damage. Even if every sentry had a wrecking shot (which has a (0.01 ^ 5) = 1 in 10 billion chance of happening) it would only deal 9,804 damage total. And then it would show five wrecking shots, not just one. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1387
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:36:00 -
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While it is obvious that something really bizarre happened with that attack, and the damage from those drone were many orders of magnitude than they should be, I can't see this as a systemic problem.
If it was systemic with Sentry damage, surely it would have been picked up by now, given how long people have been using Sentries and Ishtars.
What were the unique conditions that created this damage? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Lupo diCotze
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:47:00 -
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Aye - I'm aware that structure come after armor :p
Here's the kill mail and the likely fitting of one the the parties.
iirc the dmg done on the killmail is the cumulative dmg - rather than the killing blow. Subtracting those large dmg shots from the killmail damage done leaves 7778 which is about par for the other participants.
The T2 reinforced bulkheads would have brought structure HP up to around 236k with 3 of them (before resists are taken into account).
I'm not saying there isn't an issue with the dmg shown in the log - something appears off - but at 10% armor the resist are much lower. If both shots hit when the armor was still at 10% ish - and if the remainder of the dmg was applied without taking into account the diff resists from the DC on structure - then it kinda adds up. Which in turn helps understand where the problem might be. |
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1617
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:51:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Icer Xx wrote:Full crit build Isthars to stronk. There's a bit of a difference between "too strong" and "incredibly broken". Looks like Makalu needs to stay out of sentry Ishtars for while to avoid CCP discovering his secret sauce. CCP seems to suggest the contrary:
CCP Fozzie wrote:I will however be watching them very carefully so if you disagree please take advantage of the power of these ships as much as you can and enjoy the benefits while demonstrating to us why we should change it. Also:
CCP Fozzie wrote:I completely agree that these kinds of changes are very disruptive to existing tactics, but disruptive changes provide content and allow the best minds to rise to the top. Disruptive changes are intrinsically valuable.
Nobody is gonna ban you guys for overusing this if it's too powerful, so go forth and theorycraft and prove your assertions in the wild.
(Yes the quotes refer to a different issue. But this is not Fozzie asking people to abuse things on Sisi, he is actually suggesting doing this on the real server as a valid method of providing balance feedback.) |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.02 04:55:00 -
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Why is this thread so full of people who can't read? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2013.11.02 06:12:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Why is this thread so full of people who can't read?
Because its in GD.
Can I have someoenes stuff? Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1387
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Posted - 2013.11.02 06:59:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Why is this thread so full of people who can't read?
Please explain for the less literate of us how 5 Sentry drones do 121 K raw alpha, let alone modified alpha. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17219
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Posted - 2013.11.02 07:02:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:(Yes the quotes refer to a different issue. But this is not Fozzie asking people to abuse things on Sisi, he is actually suggesting doing this on the real server as a valid method of providing balance feedback.) GǪbut then, this is not a matter of balancing feedback, but of a pretty immense bug that apparently ignores the damage formula and inflates the outgoing damage by a factor of +ù300.
Note that those logs show a normal hit (GÇ£hitGÇ¥) doing 130k damage and a high-quality hit (GÇ£smashesGÇ¥) doing 121k. Neither of them are wrecking shots and the higher-quality hit does less damage than the normal hit. The damages are insane and the qualities do not match the damage scale. So this is something going severely awry with the to-hit calculations. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5063
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Posted - 2013.11.02 07:10:00 -
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More drone assist fleets please There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1387
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Posted - 2013.11.02 07:50:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:More drone assist fleets please
Do you ever have anything to add to a conversation, or do you consider every thread merely an opportunity to troll? Clearly, this thread has zero to do with drone assists, but like an desperately lonely , social misfit of a drunk at a party , you have to insert some statement out of left field into the conversation.
If you were not so destructive, I would pity you. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17220
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Posted - 2013.11.02 08:05:00 -
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So here's a question for you DinsdaleGǪDinsdale Pirannha wrote:Please explain for the less literate of us how 5 Sentry drones do 121 K raw alpha, let alone modified alpha. GǪwhy are you biting his head off over saying that people don't seem to understand the problem that is being presented? He's agreeing with you and you get very aggressive over this fact.
AlsoGǪQuote:Clearly, this thread has zero to do with drone assists, but like an desperately lonely , social misfit of a drunk at a party , you have to insert some statement out of left field into the conversation.
If you were not so destructive, I would pity you. GǪwhy did you see fit to make the same error he did and then, once again, aggressively abuse him for no good reason? All you're doing is making it more likely for the thread to be locked and to ensure that the error is left unaddressed.
Put another way, could you please stop being on my side on this because you're not helping.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4234
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Posted - 2013.11.02 08:16:00 -
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Would be sad if it turns out that the game hard-codes wrecking shots to do a fixed percentage of the target's hit points. Suddenly rate of fire will become more important against capitals and super capitals: who cares about DPS when you have the chance per shot of doing 5% EHP in damage? :) Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5069
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Posted - 2013.11.02 08:16:00 -
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Why not, drone assist fleets usually use a lot of sentry drones, what better way to make use of this high-damage sentry drone damage feature than a doctrine that uses lots of sentry drone damage
idgi There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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