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NewDisease
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Posted - 2006.02.08 19:15:00 -
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Any idea if these will ever come out ?
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Reprisa
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Posted - 2006.02.08 19:19:00 -
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God we can only hope. T2 Megathron....*drools* yeah they'd probably come out with something like this..like say..a dread killer, 3-4 Assault bs's take out a dread or something..man, that'd be the day...
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2006.02.08 19:23:00 -
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I certainly hope Battleships with AF-like resistances never see the light of day. CCP were at one time considering the role of a Tech 2 BS for use as a "flagship" in fleet battles, but this role seems to have been nicely filled by the Command Ships. The last thing I want to see, especially in 0.0, is the situation where everyone suddenly starts flying Tech 2 Win-ageddons I-win-athrons...
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Zephyrlin
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Posted - 2006.02.08 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Hawkes I certainly hope Battleships with AF-like resistances never see the light of day. CCP were at one time considering the role of a Tech 2 BS for use as a "flagship" in fleet battles, but this role seems to have been nicely filled by the Command Ships. The last thing I want to see, especially in 0.0, is the situation where everyone suddenly starts flying Tech 2 Win-ageddons I-win-athrons...
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 19:30:00 -
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well RP wise they should come out. they had the technology to build AF res cruseir aka HAC they gained the technology to build AF battle cruisers aka command ships they SHOULD gain the technology to build AF resistance type Battleships
and atm we hac heavy assult battle crusiers which pretty much pawn BS.
one day we should see them
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2006.02.08 19:30:00 -
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They wont be out prolly until 2007.
Kali will prolly have Tier 3 BS wich are like destoyers for frig class. I.e. more firepower, more hp, but less agility and less speed. -=-
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 19:32:00 -
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can people who say no justify their arguments. **** like signed or will be overpowered doesnt help at all. tell us why so people like me can understand and agree if u have valid points if not then keep quite
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xaioguai
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Posted - 2006.02.08 19:37:00 -
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When capital ship size energy weapon come out
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Torze
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:05:00 -
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If they come out, CCP should really take a look at the number of mid/low slots that the BS's (T2) would have. Since, alot of the times, the majority of slots on a BS goes for defense; It would stand to say they wouldn't need as many slots. If they give out a T2 Apoc, that was normal T2 resists, life would be very bad for it's targets. Just think of what facing a Scorpion with an actual tank would be like
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: xaioguai When capital ship size energy weapon come out
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Drakhis
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:13:00 -
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AHAHAHA yeah 3-4 Assault BS's still wouldnt dream of taking out a dread in siege mode... obviously you cats have never been hit bya ******* citadel launcher.... hit my FEROX that has about HALF the sig radius as a BS for 4 ******* thousand im sorry but anybody who thinks wether or not resists are all 70%+ can take a dread with FIVE ships are ******* RETARDS plzkthxbye
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HadHaFangs
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:14:00 -
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It would be fun to see T2 BS's fill very nitch roles.
Hac like resists but a big weakness in other areas.
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Unuthiel
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: xaioguai When capital ship size energy weapon come out
Er, you mean like Dual Giga Beam Laser I?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Hawkes I certainly hope Battleships with AF-like resistances never see the light of day. CCP were at one time considering the role of a Tech 2 BS for use as a "flagship" in fleet battles, but this role seems to have been nicely filled by the Command Ships. The last thing I want to see, especially in 0.0, is the situation where everyone suddenly starts flying Tech 2 Win-ageddons I-win-athrons...
They seem nicely fitted by command ships... who have Assault-like resists, and odds are flagships will too.
I'd love it if flagships were just all 8 highslot, 8 utility ships, and had the proper cpu/grid to fit 8 command mods.
Now that would be one hell of a flagship.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Matrix Aran
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:35:00 -
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Id rather see t2 battleships have one or two xl weapon mounts and a few normal ones along with normal resistances. The battleship equivalent of a stealth bomber without the stealthyness.
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Zephyrlin
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak can people who say no justify their arguments. **** like signed or will be overpowered doesnt help at all. tell us why so people like me can understand and agree if u have valid points if not then keep quite
Then if you must.
Reasoning being that an "assault battleship" with HAC level resists would be VERY hard to balance in any way shape or form. As it stands now, there are a few simple steps a Battleship can take in order to protect itself from any smaller ship in the game (within reason). If you add more power to the Battleship, then add Resists of HACs, plus extra bonuses, you have found your "solopwnmobile". These ships could do the same things that current BSes do to counter smaller ships, and become virtually unstoppable except by another Assault BS kitted to fight other Assault BSes.
Plus, everyone and their brother would want to fly one, because they would be so fantastically powerful for solo combat, or for fleet engagements. Could 2 of them take out a Dread? Likely not. But, 2 of them could wreak havoc on a giant number of any other ship out there.
Frankly, I think going "bigger, harder, tougher" is the wrong direction. Instead of making everything get more punching power, let's start seeing ships that spread out and utilize different methods and niches. Nobody likes an ever-escalating arms race. And nobody likes the "You have to fly this ship, or you might as well not be flying" state that has previously existed in this game, but is, thankfully, not present currently.
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.02.08 20:45:00 -
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The only reason why HACs are even vaugelly balanced atm is because BS can nos them and against similar sized targets will do reasonably similar similar damage.
Increasing the gank AND tank potential of ships that already do that (raven and dominix) or already have a specialised role (scorp) is just a bad idea.
Assault battleships along the lines of HACs would mean creating a genuine solo-pwn-mobile ... imagine a raven with the starting resists 0/60/70/80 .. then add the traditional 2 invul II's and a photon scattering field .. that gives 72/79/84/89. Then add on an XL booster II and a boost amp. And then a rack of cruise or siege launchers with a 25% rof decrease as standard. Does that sound like something that would have any use aside frmo solo annihilating anything under capital size ?
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Twin blade
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Posted - 2006.02.08 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha The only reason why HACs are even vaugelly balanced atm is because BS can nos them and against similar sized targets will do reasonably similar similar damage.
Increasing the gank AND tank potential of ships that already do that (raven and dominix) or already have a specialised role (scorp) is just a bad idea.
Assault battleships along the lines of HACs would mean creating a genuine solo-pwn-mobile ... imagine a raven with the starting resists 0/60/70/80 .. then add the traditional 2 invul II's and a photon scattering field .. that gives 72/79/84/89. Then add on an XL booster II and a boost amp. And then a rack of cruise or siege launchers with a 25% rof decrease as standard. Does that sound like something that would have any use aside frmo solo annihilating anything under capital size ?
Man that would be my worst dream.
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Unuthiel
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Posted - 2006.02.08 21:07:00 -
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Quote: Nobody likes an ever-escalating arms race.
Perhaps not, but that is the reality of an arms race, they tend to keep escalating until things blow up, or everyone stops. In the Eve universe, if all the races have been capable of applying T2 technology to the base structure of other classes of ships, there is really no logical reason they couldn't with battleships.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyrlin
Originally by: Gronsak can people who say no justify their arguments. **** like signed or will be overpowered doesnt help at all. tell us why so people like me can understand and agree if u have valid points if not then keep quite
Then if you must.
Reasoning being that an "assault battleship" with HAC level resists would be VERY hard to balance in any way shape or form. As it stands now, there are a few simple steps a Battleship can take in order to protect itself from any smaller ship in the game (within reason). If you add more power to the Battleship, then add Resists of HACs, plus extra bonuses, you have found your "solopwnmobile". These ships could do the same things that current BSes do to counter smaller ships, and become virtually unstoppable except by another Assault BS kitted to fight other Assault BSes.
Plus, everyone and their brother would want to fly one, because they would be so fantastically powerful for solo combat, or for fleet engagements. Could 2 of them take out a Dread? Likely not. But, 2 of them could wreak havoc on a giant number of any other ship out there.
Frankly, I think going "bigger, harder, tougher" is the wrong direction. Instead of making everything get more punching power, let's start seeing ships that spread out and utilize different methods and niches. Nobody likes an ever-escalating arms race. And nobody likes the "You have to fly this ship, or you might as well not be flying" state that has previously existed in this game, but is, thankfully, not present currently.
Happy now?
thanks for a better post but i dont agree with you. and tbh all u said was "they would be really powerfull and would be able to dish out 1000DPS + and would be able to tank 1000 DPS +" and "it would be the best ship in gmae bar capital ships" well what exactly is wrong with that?
yes a AF can kill multiple frigs yes a HAC can kill multiple crusiers and yes a t2 bc can kill multiple t1 bc. and a t2 BS if hopefully released should be able to pawn multiple BS
ATM a t2 bc can dish out 1000DPS useing t2 ammo and tank better then an apoc. they will solo any other non capital ship in game. how do u expect to beat them? why are u not asking them to be taken out of the game. and dont say nos them since they got a lot of cap and can inject it. there is no way that any ship ingame without useing ecm would win 1vs1. but i dont complain cos 2 ships would *****it.
same thing will happen with t2 BS. yes solo they will be very strong and not be beaten by anything its size but a small gang of frigs would still kill it. crusiers and frigs got t2 ships thus imo BS should
but perhaps allow carriers to first use jumpgates
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gronsak on 08/02/2006 21:09:16
Originally by: Unuthiel
Quote: Nobody likes an ever-escalating arms race.
Perhaps not, but that is the reality of an arms race, they tend to keep escalating until things blow up, or everyone stops. In the Eve universe, if all the races have been capable of applying T2 technology to the base structure of other classes of ships, there is really no logical reason they couldn't with battleships.
u sure they wouldnt just think omg solo pawn machine?
i agree bring out the t2 BS. no logical reason to have t2 frigs/ t2 crusiers/ t2 bc and stop there
edit: make them able to field 3 gang mods which i would assume most people would thus brining their dmg output down to t1 lvl [3 gang mods 5 guns] -------------------Sig-----------------------
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.02.08 21:16:00 -
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It would be almost impossible to make them specialized or have set weaknesses.
In the case of T2 Armageddon, you could just nerf the drone bay and run with it. But T2 Dominix? It would have full spectrum dominance and would make the game more cookiecutter than it's even been.
At the moment, EVE is more diverse than it has ever been before. I have almost no complaints these days.
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2006.02.08 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zephyrlin
Originally by: Jon Hawkes I certainly hope Battleships with AF-like resistances never see the light of day. CCP were at one time considering the role of a Tech 2 BS for use as a "flagship" in fleet battles, but this role seems to have been nicely filled by the Command Ships. The last thing I want to see, especially in 0.0, is the situation where everyone suddenly starts flying Tech 2 Win-ageddons I-win-athrons...
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if that day ever comes, I will definately throw in the towel and just give the **** up.
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AOS brendan
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Posted - 2006.02.08 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Hawkes I certainly hope Battleships with AF-like resistances never see the light of day. CCP were at one time considering the role of a Tech 2 BS for use as a "flagship" in fleet battles, but this role seems to have been nicely filled by the Command Ships. The last thing I want to see, especially in 0.0, is the situation where everyone suddenly starts flying Tech 2 Win-ageddons I-win-athrons...
i agree most definately
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.08 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Gronsak on 08/02/2006 21:26:09
Originally by: Bedrock
Originally by: Zephyrlin
Originally by: Jon Hawkes I certainly hope Battleships with AF-like resistances never see the light of day. CCP were at one time considering the role of a Tech 2 BS for use as a "flagship" in fleet battles, but this role seems to have been nicely filled by the Command Ships. The last thing I want to see, especially in 0.0, is the situation where everyone suddenly starts flying Tech 2 Win-ageddons I-win-athrons...
/signed /filled out in triplicate /stamped /sealed /delivered /sent back /re-printed /signed again /filled out in quadrupl....icate..... /stamped /sealed /shoved down the throat of the devs
if that day ever comes, I will definately throw in the towel and just give the **** up.
that day is already here with t2 BC give up now
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kamakaze6969
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Posted - 2006.02.08 21:26:00 -
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t2 battleships would be sooooooo *** because they would just own everything and everyone would fly them
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AOS brendan
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Posted - 2006.02.08 21:26:00 -
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seriously it would be *** |
Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.02.08 22:09:00 -
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If you use t2 BCs as they are meant to be used (ie with a minimum of three command mods)their abilities to dish out damage are really rather decreased. Their role on the battlefield is to make their gang harder than it already is, not to one up the HAC.
What role can you give to assault BS that isn't already taken ? Damage dealer ? No ... thats what the t1 bs are meant to do. Tanker ? No thats what command ships are for. Fast moving strike craft ? No thats what AFs and HACs are for
And please don't start saying that the arms racs just has to keep going. The logical conclusion is everyone flying tech three assault titans next year surely ? And thats not exactly likely is it.
Seriously guys... the key to victory is surely not 'build a harder more powerful ship', its about doing something less predictable... perhaps looking into new areas of development, new applications of current tech and new stratergies.
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Camar
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Posted - 2006.02.08 22:45:00 -
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Valea Silpha, if you look at your post, you name all tech 2 ships except for the damage-dealing part that is tech I. If the others are tech II, ofc the damage-dealing ship should be a tech II as well.
And what would be wrong having a huge, big damage dealer? We got dreads, carriers, motherships, titans...but down to tech I battleships the leap is a bit...long these days perhaps?
And everyone would fly them? Gimme a break, look at the cost of a simple hac today even! If some of the bc 2 goes for 200-300m, how much do you think a tech II bs would cost? And no, I doubt MANY can afford to fly those ships on a regular basis. (and lose them)
Or wait, oh...you might actually need more then one bc 2 to take one down? Perhaps even find even more/new strategies to attack one?
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Grut
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Posted - 2006.02.08 22:54:00 -
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if you follow the logic of hacs cruiser -> 6mil hac -> 60mil (alliance prices)
your looking at 1bil for a ship that isnt even twice as good as a t1 bs and isnt insurable + your gonna be primary in fleet fights so it isnt as bad as it seems you really will pay for the advantage.
Downside is alliances like G & Bob have the infastructure to keep more of their pilots in t2 bs so would have an even greater advantage hten we do now.
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