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Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
631
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:58:00 -
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I'm not sure if it's working as intended, but tractor structures do not work if you're off grid. On top of that, CCP has slowed there tractor velocity to 1km/s. While still giving them a 10 sec swap time.
I'm fine with slower velocity and 10 sec swap, however, not being able to leave grid completely defeats the purpose. Why would I want to deploy a structure that requires me to do something that I can already do faster in a different ship if I'm going to be stuck on grid????
If this is intended, then it's the worst design ever.
If you want us to stay on grid with the structure, then buff the speed and the target swap significantly, cause the limitation is one per pocket or else they tractor off each other.
If this is not working as intended, then either velocity or target swap time still needs to be buffed. However, I can live without the buffs as long as I can leave grid and it do what I think it should do, and that is its freaking job.
Not allowing us to leave grid with the mobile tractor is just as dumb as if you didn't allow us to leave grid with the syphon unit. |
Karma Codolle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.11.03 02:34:00 -
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I'll +1 this.
I know they don't want afk activity, but I just see it as potential in hisec anyway of stealing mass amounts of loots and salvage if they decide to leave it and move on to other rooms =) |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4298
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Posted - 2013.11.03 03:30:00 -
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What, so you admit you actually wanted an easy-mode afk-tool that does all the work, while you're off grid doing something else ?
SSSSSSUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
631
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Posted - 2013.11.03 03:39:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:What, so you admit you actually wanted an easy-mode afk-tool that does all the work, while you're off grid doing something else ?
SSSSSSUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What other purpose does the structure have?
Why would I drop a structure to tractor while i'm stuck on grid?
Especially when you consider it would take less time to come back in a noctis than it would be to sit there and wait for the structure to pull in all the wrecks. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
110
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Posted - 2013.11.03 03:46:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote: What other purpose does the structure have?
As a cheaper but less effective alternative to a Marauder for players who don't have the skills or ISK to fly one and don't have a salvaging alt/friend with a Noctis available at all times. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
427
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Posted - 2013.11.03 04:48:00 -
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So... I guess this means the Noctis and Marauder tractor bonus still have some use. I have to agree with the OP; I can't see what purpose a glorified 100m3, 1-target, 1000m/s on-grid 'tractor beam' serves. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2013.11.03 07:04:00 -
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it would be ok to use if it didnt take 100m3 room. if it only need 25m3 i could deploy a few at a time. however right now it is kinda way to slow. and the limited cargo space doesnt allow you to carry a few especially if you dont have a marauder. Overall i think it is a good start not to make it OP and make the marauder /noctis useless. |
SpaceSaft
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
4
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Posted - 2013.11.03 10:07:00 -
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It's so obvious. It's not meant for sites or missions. It's to salvage the rat wrecks in mining belts, lowering the need for action on the miner's side. It all makes sense now! Besides that I also hold the oppinion that CCP should make a PC version for Dust 514. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4301
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Posted - 2013.11.03 10:09:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Solstice Project wrote:What, so you admit you actually wanted an easy-mode afk-tool that does all the work, while you're off grid doing something else ?
SSSSSSUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What other purpose does the structure have? Why would I drop a structure to tractor while i'm stuck on grid? Especially when you consider it would take less time to come back in a noctis than it would be to sit there and wait for the structure to pull in all the wrecks. Obviously the one it has and not the one you want it to have. You are putting your own needs/"wants" so high, you dismiss anything else.
I refuse to answer your question, because you really should realize it yourself. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
633
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Posted - 2013.11.03 16:22:00 -
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Mer88 wrote:it would be ok to use if it didnt take 100m3 room. if it only need 25m3 i could deploy a few at a time. however right now it is kinda way to slow. and the limited cargo space doesnt allow you to carry a few especially if you dont have a marauder. Overall i think it is a good start not to make it OP and make the marauder /noctis useless.
the problem with deploying more than one in a room is that they can't be within 5km of each other. While this isn't a huge issue, what it does cause is the wrecks being far enough away to be recognized as a target by the other tractor structure/s.
This means they tractor off each other instead of tractoring distant wrecks. |
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
633
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Posted - 2013.11.03 16:24:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:Solstice Project wrote:What, so you admit you actually wanted an easy-mode afk-tool that does all the work, while you're off grid doing something else ?
SSSSSSUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What other purpose does the structure have? Why would I drop a structure to tractor while i'm stuck on grid? Especially when you consider it would take less time to come back in a noctis than it would be to sit there and wait for the structure to pull in all the wrecks. Obviously the one it has and not the one you want it to have. You are putting your own needs/"wants" so high, you dismiss anything else. I refuse to answer your question, because you really should realize it yourself.
Soo, you're saying the purpose that it has is no purpose at all?
Seriously, I can come back and salvage in a MWD destroyer faster than it would take to sit on grid and wait for this thing to tractor in all the wrecks...
If it doesn't tractor when you're off grid, then it's worthless.
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
427
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:59:00 -
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SpaceSaft wrote:It's so obvious. It's not meant for sites or missions. It's to salvage the rat wrecks in mining belts, lowering the need for action on the miner's side. It all makes sense now! The ultimate in AFK/botting for miners? You might be on to something... GÇó AFK mining (via bots) GÇó AFK rat killing (via drones) GÇó AFK looting (via the new tractor structure) I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
931
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Posted - 2013.11.03 18:54:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:SpaceSaft wrote:It's so obvious. It's not meant for sites or missions. It's to salvage the rat wrecks in mining belts, lowering the need for action on the miner's side. It all makes sense now! The ultimate in AFK/botting for miners? You might be on to something... GÇó AFK mining (via bots) GÇó AFK rat killing (via drones) GÇó AFK looting (via the new tractor structure)
If you have three hobs and two salvagers out at the same time, you can add AFK salvaging to that list as well. Just tell the salvage drones to engage your target when you don't have anything locked up and they'll automatically salvage any wrecks that appear. They don't draw rat aggro either, except for proximity aggro, so there's little risk of them dying. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
427
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Posted - 2013.11.03 20:31:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:If you have three hobs and two salvagers out at the same time, you can add AFK salvaging to that list as well. Just tell the salvage drones to engage your target when you don't have anything locked up and they'll automatically salvage any wrecks that appear. They don't draw rat aggro either, except for proximity aggro, so there's little risk of them dying. Good point - I'd forgotten about drone salvagers. Funny that none of the miners seemed to have picked up on this yet... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
635
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Posted - 2013.11.03 21:25:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:What, so you admit you actually wanted an easy-mode afk-tool that does all the work
If this structure was designed to counteract afk, then it wouldn't tractor on its own. Just because I'm stuck on grid does not mean I can't go afk while the structure does its thing.
However, I'm not going to use it if I can't leave it. I fly a golem and I can use a t2 fitted noctis.
This basically means the structure serves no purpose. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4306
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:48:00 -
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Well, tbh, there's only one thing to say about this.
Sucks to be you and thanks for displaying who you really are. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
635
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:38:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Well, tbh, there's only one thing to say about this.
Sucks to be you and thanks for displaying who you really are.
Dude... You are such a troll it's not even funny...
The words I could say to explain you aren't usable cause they'll just get blanked out....
Seriously though... 99% of people can agree that these are useless without them working when you're off grid.
The other 1% are the trolls like yourself.
Does RvB know they have a douche in their midst? |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
249
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Posted - 2013.11.04 03:53:00 -
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this would be useful for longer range missions. I get a few missions I have to hop over like 4 systems.
Thats 8 hops round trip in the mission runner. Then 8 hops round trip in the noctis.
I generally just make that trip once in the mission runner and let the wrecks go. This I would bring for that in the future. Saves the pita of an extra 8 hops.
Afk/off grid....you need to look at out empire to see how this would be abused. If a system is safe enough to carrier rat, its safe enough to drop this and hit the next ca. I helped carriers ratters in the past (well friend helped me more...knew I needed isk so he let me have some haven payout splits lol). We just left wrecks. The isk was is in the blitzing of the ca's. Off grid cleaning is more isk tacked on to what can already be a damn good isk/hour rate. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
635
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Posted - 2013.11.04 04:05:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:this would be useful for longer range missions. I get a few missions I have to hop over like 4 systems.
Thats 8 hops round trip in the mission runner. Then 8 hops round trip in the noctis.
I generally just make that trip once in the mission runner and let the wrecks go. This I would bring for that in the future. Saves the pita of an extra 8 hops.
Afk/off grid....you need to look at out empire to see how this would be abused. If a system is safe enough to carrier rat, its safe enough to drop this and hit the next ca. I helped carriers ratters in the past (well friend helped me more...knew I needed isk so he let me have some haven payout splits lol). We just left wrecks. The isk was is in the blitzing of the ca's. Off grid cleaning is more isk tacked on to what can already be a damn good isk/hour rate.
The. Get rid of the structure and give tractor drones. |
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S Northern Associates.
142
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Posted - 2013.11.04 04:58:00 -
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If you have to be on grid for it to work, then it may as well be a drone.
Structures are meant to work separate to where their owner is. |
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
427
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Posted - 2013.11.04 05:46:00 -
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It's for miners. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
635
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:18:00 -
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So Flossie came in on another thread of mine and said that both looting and not tracto ring while off grid are broken.
So, they're supposed to tractor when you're off grid.... Thank god... |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
427
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:20:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:So Flossie came in on another thread of mine and said that both looting and not tracto ring while off grid are broken. So, they're supposed to tractor when you're off grid.... Thank god... Can we shoot these without incurring a suspect flag? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
789
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Posted - 2013.11.04 15:24:00 -
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Maybe add your feedback into existing threads in the "Test Server Feedback" forum and not F&I:
Mobile Tractor Unit, a bit of feedback after using.
HTH. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
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