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Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
340
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:38:00 -
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I must agree with the op inasmuch as gameplay designed around using throwaway alts is bad gameply. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:you can't get 90K EHP out of a mack, that's what a tanky skiff can do.
best i can get out of a mack is 45K, both omnitank, even shield resists as much as possible, damage control and plate in teh lows. that's quite a difference. It gets sufficient tank, making the additional tank the Skiff offers redundant. The same with the yield: it provides sufficient yield, which makes the additional yield of the Hulk not worth the effort. The differences are too small or just meaningless.
well if the mack had less tank then the price difference between it and the retriever would make the mack worthless. it's not like you get 8 times more ore bay. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
118
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:58:00 -
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I keep hearing the term "throwaway alts" when referring to gankers. I'm not so sure that's actually correct. From what I've been reading quite of a few of these gankers LOVE what they do, and as such I'm betting that rather than throwaways they view these characters lovingly as harvesters of tears. CCP has already made it a Very Bad Thing(tm) to biomass alts to remove low security status. Aside from that, after coming back ten months ago from a year long hiatus into the hinterlands of no internet I was somewhat appalled to see what had become of my cherished flaming rocket car of asteroidal badtouchies... aka the Hulk. After doing a little reading I promptly turned it in for a Mackinaw. After about oh, 45 minutes of mining I realized that I would rather gargle broken glass than continue to do this. As I have never believed that mining AFK, or even being AFK uncloaked was ever a good idea, I came to the conclusion that my mining days were done. That being said, I do believe the Mackinaw does need some rebalance as it truly is the prime solo mining vessel now. Well, perhaps except for the procurer, which apparently feeds on other mining vessels, as The Pirate Story Thread has recently demonstrated. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:05:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Actually, Meilandra, they are on record as saying that the barge EHP buffs went too far, and they need to be downscaled by a fair margin.
They're all going to be taking a hit, not just the Mack.
And thank goodness for that. It's about time that it be not impossible to die if you are awake.
Really? Well, I don't have a problem with the current EHP on the current barges/exhumers tbh. If they go back to EHP levels where even heavily tanked macks are soloable by a single t2 cata that would be a bit overkill in my book. But a yield nerf, I'd be in favor of that.
Either way, as soon as I finish my training there are gonna be a lot more dead Macks on the killboards.
And it's Miss Vanderganken for you! My mother warned me about boys like you, you scoundrel!
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8515
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:05:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:
you can't get 90K EHP out of a mack, that's what a tanky skiff can do.
best i can get out of a mack is 45K, both omnitank, even shield resists as much as possible, damage control and plate in teh lows. that's quite a difference.
You don't need 90k.
All you need is enough to make a gank unprofitable to do and the mack can get this without sacrificing any of its yeild. |
Jim Era
7634
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:09:00 -
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does the mack even have any decent yield? It mines pretty slow if I'm not mistaken, or are we just trying to keep people from mining altogether? |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
118
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:14:00 -
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Depends on who you ask. When you strip away all the rhetoric and rp, from what I can tell groups like CODE are mainly trying to keep miners awake and at their keys while they do what they do, rather than AFKminz0rz and botting. As such I can't really criticize that. Others do it because they can, or because of the reaction they get from it... or they do it because it is "what is best in life". |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17324
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:17:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:does the mack even have any decent yield? It mines pretty slow if I'm not mistaken, None of them have bad yield any more. There's just one ship for each tech level that has more (Hulk & Covetor). The others simply sit on the same baseline. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
you can't get 90K EHP out of a mack, that's what a tanky skiff can do.
best i can get out of a mack is 45K, both omnitank, even shield resists as much as possible, damage control and plate in teh lows. that's quite a difference.
You don't need 90k. All you need is enough to make a gank unprofitable to do and the mack can get this without sacrificing any of its yeild.
that's assuming direct profit is the motive rather than for the lolz or running a highsec extortion racket/cult.
but like i said, nerf its tank and it's just a very expensive retriever. no point to it at all. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:52:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:
you can't get 90K EHP out of a mack, that's what a tanky skiff can do.
best i can get out of a mack is 45K, both omnitank, even shield resists as much as possible, damage control and plate in teh lows. that's quite a difference.
You don't need 90k. All you need is enough to make a gank unprofitable to do and the mack can get this without sacrificing any of its yeild. that's assuming direct profit is the motive rather than for the lolz or running a highsec extortion racket/cult.
Or assuming gankers want isk efficiency (most do). We all want our killboards to look good.
Quote:but like i said, nerf its tank and it's just a very expensive retriever. no point to it at all.
I pretty much have to agree with you on that. |
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Renegade Heart
The MIneral Munchers
22
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:01:00 -
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Anarkia Evangel wrote:my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec
If you cloak before warping they can't lock you.
Just saying.
And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
189
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:15:00 -
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Teyla Amidale wrote: Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.
You are wrong and completely clueless. |
Odethia
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:00:00 -
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Baaldor wrote:Teyla Amidale wrote: Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.
You are wrong and completely clueless. He is right, back then this was quite a curiosity to see people get ganked, now it happen everywhere. Even when you could only warp to 15km it almost never happened.
People discovered how cheap it is to get an alt into a Catalyst that pack way too much punch for their value and SP requirement.
Bye bye AFK traveling, CCP might as well get rid of the autopilot. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17328
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:06:00 -
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Odethia wrote:Baaldor wrote:Teyla Amidale wrote: Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.
You are wrong and completely clueless. He is right, back then this was quite a curiosity to see people get ganked, now it happen everywhere. No, he's not. Back then, you could make a decent living from sitting on the Jita undock stealing gank loot. Now you can't. Back then, you could see CONCORD clouds on pretty much every gate along the major pipelines. Now you don't. Back then, mission hubs would be lit up on the map from fools being ganked for their faction fits. Now they're dim and even officer-fit ship fly around unmolested.
The notion that ganks were somehow rarer back then is only born out of misremembering how much business as usual they were GÇö no-one took notice because that was just the way of things. These days, they are so rare that every gank is a major event that gets a lot of attention. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12318
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:15:00 -
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Odethia wrote:Baaldor wrote:Teyla Amidale wrote: Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.
You are wrong and completely clueless. He is right, back then this was quite a curiosity to see people get ganked, now it happen everywhere. Even when you could only warp to 15km it almost never happened. People discovered how cheap it is to get an alt into a Catalyst that pack way too much punch for their value and SP requirement. Bye bye AFK traveling, CCP might as well get rid of the autopilot.
Ahahaha catalysts... it used to be essentially free to use a battleship to gank with, never mind a destroyer.
But don't let the facts get in the way of what your faith tells you. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:44:00 -
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it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.
i started playing during hulkageddon V when this sort of thing was an event. now it's business as usual. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
512
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:56:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Depends on who you ask. When you strip away all the rhetoric and rp, from what I can tell groups like CODE are mainly trying to keep miners awake and at their keys while they do what they do, rather than AFKminz0rz and botting. As such I can't really criticize that. Others do it because they can, or because of the reaction they get from it... or they do it because it is "what is best in life". Actually CODE just do it for the Lolz to shoot everyone. They talk a rhetoric that they don't actually follow since they gank miners who are present also. And it gives them a huge scam of donations that they are making out like pirates on. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1426
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:04:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.
Not really increased. Organized.
And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:11:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.
Not really increased. Organized. And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can.
if you say so. it's just getting a bit stale to be called 'emergent' content at this point.
and i might do a bit of white knighting myself. have an alt cooking at the moment. i'm just afraid it's not going to be very fun. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12012
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:13:00 -
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If CCP could do something about "the idiots," in highsec, or in EVE, or anywhere, then they would be very rich. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1427
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:17:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.
Not really increased. Organized. And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can. if you say so. it's just getting a bit stale to be called 'emergent' content at this point. and i might do a bit of white knighting myself. have an alt cooking at the moment. i'm just afraid it's not going to be very fun.
I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
279
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:21:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip. |
Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
682
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:29:00 -
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Quote:Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP? I've been trying, but no matter how many times I gank them, they never learn. They just come on the forums and whine.
Quote:Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec. I agree entirely and would also like this train of thought to extend to as many forms of gameplay as possible. Mining should require complex calculations to mine correctly otherwise you get nothing and the rock explodes taking your ship with it. PVE rats should have competent fleet formations and pvp fits with effectiveness on par with players. They should also always scramble and pod whenever they can.
All of this of course should only take place in low and null sec. Any profitable activity in highsec should be impossible. A perfect, sterile land of absolute peace, that no filthy player can disturb in any way.
...Or not.
I'm personally very happy that any new player can very quickly get into a position to completely ruin a much older player's day. It's a beautiful thing that they can have such an impact on the game so soon, and should only be encouraged. |
Zedrik Cayne
Stay Frosty.
195
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:39:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
No...You are just wrong..So wrong, there is a FAQ for how wrong you are.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14550
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:56:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Actually CODE just do it for the Lolz to shoot everyone. They talk a rhetoric that they don't actually follow since they gank miners who are present also. And it gives them a huge scam of donations that they are making out like pirates on. According to the code no permit means you're a valid target, regardless of presence at the keyboard.
I mine occasionally on an alt, and I don't have a permit to do so; yet I never get ganked, because I know who the gankers are, and I operate in areas of highsec where they don't. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
516
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:23:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.
You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.
No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.
At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.
Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.
High sec is not safe space, just the rules of engagement is more structured. I agree with a lot of your points but high sec was never meant to be safe, plus afk gaming is not actually gaming. |
Sar Carstic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:20:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip.
I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better. I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE! Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:36:00 -
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Sar Carstic wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip. I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better. I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE! Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one.
Selling someone a permit would give you a chance to gank someone who has bought one, because the person you sold the permit too would have just bought one, and you would have a chance to gank them.
Therefore, your rationale for not selling licenses is in fact a rationale TO sell licenses.
"I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, ....gank fit cats should pop like grapes."
If they should pop like grapes, then why would doing that relieve your boredom? Do you like popping grapes? why not do something difficult and target something that isn't defenseless like a gank-fit cat is, according to you; pop something with strong, recently buffed defenses, like a mining barge.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1429
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:48:00 -
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Sar Carstic wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.
we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip. I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better. I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE! Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one.
Good.
The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.
When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range. |
Kallen Kozukie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:39:00 -
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No matter how you justify it, it's way too easy to make throwaway gank alts that do it till sec status bottoms out, then rinse and repeat. CONCORD was meant to curb that kind of activity, and making cheap lil destoyers in a month or so is just simply too much.
Something does need to be done about it.
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