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Daddy McCane
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.06 08:14:00 -
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Anyone can shed some light ? The fleet would be something with Archon,Lokies, Moros, Rev, Navythrons ...
is this good ?
[Naglfar] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Sensor Booster II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon Siege Module II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
thx |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.11.06 08:32:00 -
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What WH class you in? Capital Rigs...? Pos shoot?
Would think... (not checked) drop the burst and a TE, add a T2 Gyro and a tracking rig... (id add more tank personally) |
Daddy McCane
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.06 08:48:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:What WH class you in? Capital Rigs...? Pos shoot?
Would think... (not checked) drop the burst and a TE, add a T2 Gyro and a tracking rig... (id add more tank personally)
Thx, C5 (it's written in thread subject ) |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:14:00 -
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problem for me is you are probably the only shield tanked (loki maybe) in a armor tank fleet, i know it doesnt matter too much during siege but still id prefer to have the same tank of my fleet |
Daddy McCane
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:18:00 -
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To mare wrote:problem for me is you are probably the only shield tanked (loki maybe) in a armor tank fleet, i know it doesnt matter too much during siege but still id prefer to have the same tank of my fleet
i agree, but lokies are|would be armor tanked i guess |
Gnadolin
Space Pioneers F.E.R.A.L
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Posted - 2013.11.06 09:23:00 -
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[Naglfar, Armor] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Capital Armor Repairer I True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, Arch Angel EMP XL 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I, Arch Angel EMP XL Siege Module II
Capital Projectile Burst Aerator I Capital Auxiliary Nano Pump I Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Additional Faction/Meta Capital Mods as you like, but you should be fine with this, only use Cap Boosters when you have to, if you never need them anyways, maybe switch out for another Tracking Comp/Sebo or just plain Cap rechargers.
Also Reactive Armor Hardnener over DCUII but thats personal preference. |
Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
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Posted - 2013.11.07 07:16:00 -
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I would use a burst aerator and 2 semi conductor rigs |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
608
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Posted - 2013.11.07 10:59:00 -
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Daddy McCane wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:What WH class you in? Capital Rigs...? Pos shoot?
Would think... (not checked) drop the burst and a TE, add a T2 Gyro and a tracking rig... (id add more tank personally) Thx, C5 (it's written in thread subject )
Sorry i meant any effects |
bubble trout
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2013.11.07 14:40:00 -
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Make sure to have refits in cargo. max gank/tracking, max cap recharge, max tank, and bulkheads. Honestly that is 10 times more important than what you have on your ship when you start the siege. Keep within 5k of the carrier(s) and refit if people start shooting/nueting you, etc |
Tesoni Daven
BENEVOLENC3 Wormhole Kaleidoscope Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:04:00 -
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Daddy McCane wrote:Anyone can shed some light ? The fleet would be something with Archon,Lokies, Moros, Rev, Navythrons ...
is this good ?
[Naglfar] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Sensor Booster II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon Siege Module II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
thx
Needs mor tracking.
First thing is... if you are running an armor fleet, you might as well run your Nag armor. No real reason not too.
You NEED tracking computers. At least 3. I would sudgest 3 TCs, 2 Sebos, and a faction TP. Assuming you go armor. (If you stay shield, drop the TP for your repper)
Your low slots are good. If you go armor, drop a TE for your repper.
If you stay shield, Strong Blue Pills are mandatory.
Having lots of extra active hardeners so you can overheat and burn them out, then put on new ones, is very usefull.
Other than that, follow what Bubble trout said, and you should be good 2 go. |
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Tesoni Daven
BENEVOLENC3 Wormhole Kaleidoscope Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:09:00 -
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Gnadolin wrote:[Naglfar, Armor] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL Siege Module II
Capital Projectile Burst Aerator I Capital Auxiliary Nano Pump I Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
12k DPS, 6270 peak tank (without Links) Cap for 5min30sec/21min with cap boosters running
I do not like this fit. Seems to be ignoring the fact that if you are primaried you won't be staying in siege, you will be exiting to catch triage reps. Also, nags can shoot without cap, so why cap inject it? There is absolutely no reason to need 21 minutes of cap. That's wildly excessive. Even with nuet pressure. |
Luft Reich
Magellan Corporation Collision.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:29:00 -
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Do you have any idea how to run C5 sites? You never drop siege if you take agro to catch triage reps. You carry refits for your dreadnought to stay in siege the entire site. You might have to drop siege to get cap if they stay on you an entire siege cycle, but otherwise you should never have to drop siege cycle. Here are the fits that you should use to run capital escalations with a naglfar, it is shield fit because armor nags are bad and you should feel bad for flying one in capital escalations. Again make sure you have extra hardeners, bulkheads, cap rechargers, CPR's. As sleepers switch on and off of you refit accordingly, the Nag is a great ship shield fit, we run shield dreads all the time with Archons as the carriers never have to rep them, and you are missing out on alot if you armor fit a nag.
[Naglfar, Control Tower DPS] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Siege Module II 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
[Naglfar, Control Tower Tank] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Damage Control II
Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum B-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier Cap Recharger II
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL Siege Module II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
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Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:00:00 -
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You should really ask wh questions in the wh forums for this kind of thing. never, ever armour tank a nag and certainly never fit cap boosters...
I would also not recommend mixing a shield dread with an armour fleet.
Luft's fits are getting there, this is what i'd use if i really couldnt use a moros:
Quote:[Naglfar, Test] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel Fusion XL 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel Fusion XL Siege Module II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I Personally i dont like the nag for mainly cap reasons. It also barely does more DPS than a Revelation which has far better cap. |
Gnadolin
Space Pioneers F.E.R.A.L
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:57:00 -
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Please share your Revelation fit with 5k sustained tank and 12k dps output.
Thanks in advance
btw: none of the postet shield fits here do 12k dps or are even close to the sustained tank of an Armor Naglfar, while having triple the price tag.
Although i agree that refitting in combat should always be considered, especialy in WH sites, thus making spare mods likewise important then the fitting you start with. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:22:00 -
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Moving this from Ships and Modules to Wormholes. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2400
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:31:00 -
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Gnadolin wrote:Please share your Revelation fit with 5k sustained tank and 12k dps output. youre not running L4s in a drake here, you dont need sustained tank. rev gets 9m30s cap running everything flat out with zero cap mods other than rigs. you never need to refit it. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
7enn
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:32:00 -
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lows 3 tracking 3 gyro
mids invul shield booster sensor booster (res script) tracking
highs guns and stuffs
It's that simple for running sites. If you want more out of it, bling it where you want to. I run a deadspace invul and the meta guns and booster. you don't need a boost amp or damage control for sites. you're only going to be sieged for 2 cycles.
if things go wrong in the site, add a damage control or maybe another invul field - sleepers don't offer much risk to a nag.
if things go wrong that aren't sleeper related - now you can swap to dc, some cap mods in the lows and pull some tracking computers and up the shield resists you need (em/thermal if it's jack in his crappy rev and kin/therm for all the moros pubbies)
if things go really really wrong you can put max armor resists and as they burn through your armor
if things go super bane noob bad then slap on the hull tank, put you feet up and think nice thoughts
keep 6 warp stabs for after the hull tank so you can warp away laughing
oh and keep shooting, it's a nag after all which makes it far superior to jack's crappy rev. the rev is a one trick pony that can be nueted out (there are vids of this actually happening during pvp
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Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2400
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Posted - 2013.11.12 05:04:00 -
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7enn wrote:(em/thermal if it's jack in his crappy rev and kin/therm for all the moros pubbies)
oh and keep shooting, it's a nag after all which makes it far superior to jack's crappy rev. the rev is a one trick pony that can be nueted out (there are vids of this actually happening during pvp you know nothing of my fearsome arty rev!!!
(For the record, I use a moros for first dread because I am not bad at WHs.) Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
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Posted - 2013.11.12 09:13:00 -
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Why armor tanking the nag is a bad idea?
with 2 centus c's and a repper, that is the same as the rev and moros tank, and the mids just fit 4 tracking computers (1 optimal, 3 tracking) and 2 sesor boosters.
I am not saying it beats the moros, but it seems the armor one is better than the shield fit. Maybe I am missing something here. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2013.11.12 12:35:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:You should really ask wh questions in the wh forums for this kind of thing. never, ever armour tank a nag and certainly never fit cap boosters... I would also not recommend mixing a shield dread with an armour fleet. Luft's fits are getting there, this is what i'd use if i really couldnt use a moros: Quote:[Naglfar, Test] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel Fusion XL 6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel Fusion XL Siege Module II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I Personally i dont like the nag for mainly cap reasons. It also barely does more DPS than a Revelation which has far better cap.
Is this a troll? Cause with only one SeBo, this is going to take a whole lot of patience. Two are more the minimum to lock things in time, three would be better. Mean, even with two SeBos you merely do odds and evens in escalations to avoid wasting locktime. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=288823&find=unread - Looking for a handful of well-versed EU pilots. Especially interested in hyperactive dscanners. |
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7enn
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:05:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Jack Miton wrote:
useful jack stuff (the dude has been helping in this forum for at least 3 weeks - do you live under an asteroid??)
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Is this a troll? Cause with only one SeBo, this is going to take a whole lot of patience. Two are more the minimum to lock things in time, three would be better. Mean, even with two SeBos you merely do odds and evens in escalations to avoid wasting locktime.
So.... mayhaps there is another way besides the way you do it. I only use one sebo - regardless of the dread i'm in and it works just fine. In a damage bonus wh things may be different (but I think jack grew up in one, so I would wager not), but in the various wh's I'm in / have been in - a single sebo is just fine. If you're not spacing your locks out so that you have 1 or 2 locked and 2 or 3 in the que at various stages of being locked.... you're 'as bad as bane' at whs. Get some rhythm laddybuck and get with the one sebo program.
And to the OP, don't forget drugs. Even the synth ones are good enough for pve, so you don't need to train all those bio skills just to shoot sleepers. The post where the guy says 'strong blue pill is mandatory'.... unless you in a wh that has noob for an effect - i just don't see this. That guy is a min/max guy - just ignore him. Strong drugs for pve??? laughable. They are just little red plus signs if you pan way back, not very scary at all.
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Gary Bell
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:11:00 -
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LOL two seige cycles.. Who uses two cycles.. Go spend a week in Hard Knocks LOL..
"Come on someone needs to swap to a loki, We dont need 17 dreads guys" |
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
80
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:52:00 -
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There are some really good fits on here. Pointers on a nag (since I spent weeks crafting our exact fit, which I'm not linking):
-Go armor, as shield nags cap out to easy and have good burst tank, but not steady tank over time. I was determined to build a PVP shield Nag that also worked as a site nag, but making cap/tracking/scan resolution work was a nightmare. I'd suggest not doing one for sites OR PVP. It helps me to think of a Naglfar as a giant hurricane with very bad tracking.
See this video for how NOT to fit a nag for sites or PVP. Also, consider how you want your Nag tanked if a fight comes to you while you are sieged in an escalation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2stqaIk19_s
(The video is also enjoyable. No offense intended to polarized. Nag fit is linked at 4:16. Polarized got blobbed, so nothing they could do, but still an example.)
-Emphasize tracking, as to best a moros, you need to take advantage of the ample mids you have, since blasters' natural tracking is still better than autocannons.
-Remember you can refit your capital in a site (if you don't bounce): have multiple fits you can swap to in your cargohold. Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO!(Terms and conditions apply.) |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:27:00 -
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Hey mang, that looked like a nice fight with LFARM yesterday...I see you used your nag, jelly I missed out :) Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
80
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:43:00 -
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Ayeson wrote:Hey mang, that looked like a nice fight with LFARM yesterday...I see you used your nag, jelly I missed out :)
It was a good fight. LFARM fought very well and was winning most of the fight until my Nag pilot actually logged on and took over as FC (Kable133) and our podded pilots got back in (I was tackled for about a half hour with only 2-3 wing mates).
I honor LFARM for being amazingly space honorable and continuing the fight after we put mass on the hole (on purpose, since we were outnumbered).
By the way, we popped our "caps in PVP cherry". ;) That was a first for us. Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO!(Terms and conditions apply.) |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2402
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:24:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:LOL two seige cycles.. Who uses two cycles.. Go spend a week in Hard Knocks LOL.. "Come on someone needs to swap to a loki, We dont need 17 dreads guys" i like actually making isk when i run sites. sue me right? Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Nero Pantera
Whale Girth Disavowed.
17
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:01:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:7enn wrote:(em/thermal if it's jack in his crappy rev and kin/therm for all the moros pubbies)
oh and keep shooting, it's a nag after all which makes it far superior to jack's crappy rev. the rev is a one trick pony that can be nueted out (there are vids of this actually happening during pvp you know nothing of my fearsome arty rev!!! (For the record, I use a moros for first dread because I am not bad at WHs.)
Can you come and tell this to my alliance, k thanx
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Senn Denroth
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:04:00 -
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I wonder if they will catch up with us one day Jack. |
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