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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
155
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:46:00 -
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So, I got beaten to it with the thread poasting on the recent live event, (woe is me!) but going to anyways because I think it deserves a little broader discussion.
Why I'm not upset: For those of us in the Meves fleet, not getting there was probably quite disappointing. 10% tidi is always a bit of a bummer. But to be honest I'm not upset because: A) Anyone with sense didnt bring their trillion-isk-gold-plated-diamond-steering-wheel-poon-patroler, and B) I think more than anything it's a learning experience. A good few EVE players don't throw themselves into the action, and I think this event was good for getting people to be a little more adventurous. People commanding fleets probably walk away having learned a little. i.e. Just because a man with a faction tag and a fancy hat tells you something, it's not always going to be a good idea. Also hopefully learned a little about null and moving a fleet through it. All it cost were some disposable ships, if you lost any. And this is of course not to mention that although we didn't get the shiny dev-layed golden loot eggs, most of us got an exciting fleet battle out of it.
What CCP did well: Had a event in null. Finally. I like this direction because of two reasons 1) This is a game with different players, none should be favorably treated, and 2) It helped to get people to cross over the game's dividing lines. Sure, a lot of folk will go back to living a care free life in hi, or back to the Star Wars Cantina of low. A couple though are going to think. "You know what, this interests me, I want to know more and play it better" And even those who remain in hi sec get to have the benefit of experiencing a different aspect of the game.
What CCP could have done better: Distance traveling. Dealing with TiDi is a given for any large fleet, but for the Meves folk it seemed like we were being led around in a bit of happy-fun-trail manner, lots of stopping off in systems of no actual importance, probably adding to journey time. In fact from Meves to 8V-SJJ there were probably about 3 stops in between. During which nothing happened. The TiDi was just the icing on the cake.
Maybe could have given a little more notice, but on the flipside it would have given the null folk and pirate sympathizers more time to prepare, and the fleet may have ended up being a non-starter.
Why CCP does not have to babysit you Of all the things I heard in the aftermath, and I will have to paraphrase, these were some of the choice things I heard: - "Why can't CCP just make the route HiSec?" - "Dev actors should have been acting as FCs for us!" - "Why didn't the Dev actors lead us?" - "Where are the Devs in Titans?" - "My ship wasn't fitted for PvP!" - "CCP sacrificed us to the big bad null alliances!" And it goes on as such. Now apart from the obvious glaring question of why take a PvE ship into null, there's a few things people seem to misunderstand. The reason why CCP does not hold you by the hand and walk you through null while whacking the wolves on the nose when they try to eat you, is because there are many ways to play this game. Contrary to what some seem to say, allowing you safe secure passage through null is not enabling you to play the game, but rather preventing others from playing how they want in their part of it. We all made a choice, an active choice to go into null. Nobody forced you. There is no reason to give you preferential treatment, or change the game around you, especially since you were warned, or had the common sense to check the top left corner of your screen.
All in all? 6/10 Worthwhile experiment but needs improvement and refining. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4272
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:49:00 -
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You could post this in the existing thread on the subject: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=293869&find=unread
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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
155
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:53:00 -
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Could, didn't. Mostly because there were 3 going on at my last count, and also I wouldn't have been able to go into as much detail and create the proper effect |
Horatio Nately
808 Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:18:00 -
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I was there at Meves with you. when they announced destination stacmon i was ******* pissed because they could have told us that in the first place. the ccp guy tried to tell us where to go but somewhere between 2 jumps out of meves he totally bailed from the majority of the fleet. there were a ton of people waiting on the stacmon gate to jump through to low sec that were left completely in the dark. at that point i said **** it and went to go hunt in lowsec placid after tidi went down |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
161
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:39:00 -
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Horatio Nately wrote:I was there at Meves with you. when they announced destination stacmon i was ******* pissed because they could have told us that in the first place. the ccp guy tried to tell us where to go but somewhere between 2 jumps out of meves he totally bailed from the majority of the fleet. there were a ton of people waiting on the stacmon gate to jump through to low sec that were left completely in the dark. at that point i said **** it and went to go hunt in lowsec placid after tidi went down
Yes, exactly! This is what should have happened, pilots making informed decisions about where they fly into.
If boggles the mind that people somehow think they were frogmarched at gunpoint into the crack of mount doom. |
epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
120
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:34:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:Horatio Nately wrote:I was there at Meves with you. when they announced destination stacmon i was ******* pissed because they could have told us that in the first place. the ccp guy tried to tell us where to go but somewhere between 2 jumps out of meves he totally bailed from the majority of the fleet. there were a ton of people waiting on the stacmon gate to jump through to low sec that were left completely in the dark. at that point i said **** it and went to go hunt in lowsec placid after tidi went down Yes, exactly! This is what should have happened, pilots making informed decisions about where they fly into. If boggles the mind that people somehow think they were frogmarched at gunpoint into the crack of mount doom.
Mmm Ok lets put 2 and 2 together without getting 1
Ccp has live event. Ccp splits the fleet into lots of small groups. Ccp ORDERS everyone to jump into a massive pre prepared killzone.
I don't think the problem is with the people who were sacrificed. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
1766
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:45:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:So, I got beaten to it with the thread poasting on the recent live event, (woe is me!) but going to anyways because I think it deserves a little broader discussion.
Why I'm not upset: For those of us in the Meves fleet, not getting there was probably quite disappointing. 10% tidi is always a bit of a bummer. But to be honest I'm not upset because: A) Anyone with sense didnt bring their trillion-isk-gold-plated-diamond-steering-wheel-poon-patroler, and B) I think more than anything it's a learning experience. A good few EVE players don't throw themselves into the action, and I think this event was good for getting people to be a little more adventurous. People commanding fleets probably walk away having learned a little. i.e. Just because a man with a faction tag and a fancy hat tells you something, it's not always going to be a good idea. Also hopefully learned a little about null and moving a fleet through it. All it cost were some disposable ships, if you lost any. And this is of course not to mention that although we didn't get the shiny dev-layed golden loot eggs, most of us got an exciting fleet battle out of it.
What CCP did well: Had a event in null. Finally. I like this direction because of two reasons 1) This is a game with different players, none should be favorably treated, and 2) It helped to get people to cross over the game's dividing lines. Sure, a lot of folk will go back to living a care free life in hi, or back to the Star Wars Cantina of low. A couple though are going to think. "You know what, this interests me, I want to know more and play it better" And even those who remain in hi sec get to have the benefit of experiencing a different aspect of the game.
What CCP could have done better: Distance traveling. Dealing with TiDi is a given for any large fleet, but for the Meves folk it seemed like we were being led around in a bit of happy-fun-trail manner, lots of stopping off in systems of no actual importance, probably adding to journey time. In fact from Meves to 8V-SJJ there were probably about 3 stops in between. During which nothing happened. The TiDi was just the icing on the cake.
Maybe could have given a little more notice, but on the flipside it would have given the null folk and pirate sympathizers more time to prepare, and the fleet may have ended up being a non-starter.
Why CCP does not have to babysit you Of all the things I heard in the aftermath, and I will have to paraphrase, these were some of the choice things I heard: - "Why can't CCP just make the route HiSec?" - "Dev actors should have been acting as FCs for us!" - "Why didn't the Dev actors lead us?" - "Where are the Devs in Titans?" - "My ship wasn't fitted for PvP!" - "CCP sacrificed us to the big bad null alliances!" And it goes on as such. Now apart from the obvious glaring question of why take a PvE ship into null, there's a few things people seem to misunderstand. The reason why CCP does not hold you by the hand and walk you through null while whacking the wolves on the nose when they try to eat you, is because there are many ways to play this game. Contrary to what some seem to say, allowing you safe secure passage through null is not enabling you to play the game, but rather preventing others from playing how they want in their part of it. We all made a choice, an active choice to go into null. Nobody forced you. There is no reason to give you preferential treatment, or change the game around you, especially since you were warned, or had the common sense to check the top left corner of your screen.
All in all? 6/10 Worthwhile experiment but needs improvement and refining.
Thanks for taking the time to put together such well considered feedback. We really appreciate it and will take these points on board in our retrospective on the event. |
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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
164
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:46:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:N'maro Makari wrote:Horatio Nately wrote:I was there at Meves with you. when they announced destination stacmon i was ******* pissed because they could have told us that in the first place. the ccp guy tried to tell us where to go but somewhere between 2 jumps out of meves he totally bailed from the majority of the fleet. there were a ton of people waiting on the stacmon gate to jump through to low sec that were left completely in the dark. at that point i said **** it and went to go hunt in lowsec placid after tidi went down Yes, exactly! This is what should have happened, pilots making informed decisions about where they fly into. If boggles the mind that people somehow think they were frogmarched at gunpoint into the crack of mount doom. CCP Promises navy led mission with eggers supporting them. I don't think the problem is with the people who were sacrificed.
I think you have grossly misinterpreted the information you were given. Where does it actually say the Navies would lead us? Cause you see, it looked to me like they just said "This is the next place" not "I SHALL LEAD YOU TO BATTLE"
In fact, pretty sure at one point they even said: "We're here as a separate entity to you guys" |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
164
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:47:00 -
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[double post] |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
164
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:49:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Thanks for taking the time to put together such well considered feedback. We really appreciate it and will take these points on board in our retrospective on the event.
You're welcome, and please do keep this all going! A failed experiment is better than none at all. |
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Carnip
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:56:00 -
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You must be joking here. This is crap feedback. Is this guy CCP's alt? If anything, CCP Goliath, this thread is not representative of your playerbase. |
Jack One-Shot Jackson
STAHLSTURM Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:02:00 -
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N'maro Makari with a few parts of your view I agree, BUT:
CCP announced this event and of course a journey through 0.0 and Low Sec is allways dangerous, but nobody will survive such a journey through a station system from the CFC. This was an epic fail route, but thx for this. It was a nice gift and a good day for us. Thank you very much CCP. (Be Kind and take next time other Playerspace.)
If you announce an event you should work on it. Many people want to see this event and dont want to pop before. The Problem is not that CCP could save the route (of course they could do it, nearly nobody had something from the event), CCP will never save the route, but EVERY FC in EVE have to deal with it. There are ways to go other ways or use a fleet good. Maybe the CCP FC don't play EVE normally, but the FC was just a Noob with a much to expensive fleet.
This was a totally gift for the CFC, nothing else.
To say it finally:
Es war einfach dilettantisch und schlecht geplant. Niemals darf ein FC so etwas mit seiner Flotte machen und von den Entwicklern des Spiels erwartet man professionelles Verhalten und nicht so ein Quatsch.
(It was just dabler like and bad planed. Never ever a FC is allowed to work so with his fleet and I expect from the "developers" of the game much more professional work and not such a crap) |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
487
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:02:00 -
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Failed experiment as expected, I presumed all of us in empire fleet will die.
Still didnt expected less PVP or generally shooting from empire fleet, also jumping in TiDi was not a selling point of the show. Better stick with faction warfare, and smaller fleets, at least you will have no TiDi and more shooting. Maybe even a killmail.
From my perspective, one hour in faction warfare fleet is worth MUCH more than one whole TiDied event organised by CCP. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
164
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:04:00 -
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Carnip wrote:You must be joking here. This is crap feedback. Is this guy CCP's alt? If anything, CCP Goliath, this thread is not representative of your playerbase.
I apologise, Angry Player #439230, if this thread rubs you up the wrong way. But I made this thread because unfortunately for the most part most feedback consisted of rather narrow views of what actually happened and seemed overly emotionally charged.
Whether the thread is representative or not, what I tried to do was take a step back and look at a larger picture.
Now I assure you, I am a bona-fide hi/lo dweller and have been for 2 of the 4 years I've been a player EVE Online. But please, don't remove the tin-foil on my account. It rather suits you. |
Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
87
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:29:00 -
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Carnip wrote:You must be joking here. This is crap feedback. Is this guy CCP's alt? If anything, CCP Goliath, this thread is not representative of your playerbase.
If you think this is awful feedback simply because it isn't a rage post about how CCP lead everyone to slaughter without actually looking at what went well then your a fool.
Yes the event was very badly managed on CCP's part with little to no co-ordination regarding what was going on beyond go here and kill this. Tactically they really could have done a tad bit of research that would have told them that the destination was slap bang in the middle of the CFC's staging area however you cannot blame CCP for idiots bring shiny Faction ships/pods then moaning when they got blown up. I applaud CCP that they managed to get so many people involved in the event however things could have gone far better.
- The staging systems should have been Stacmon and Ihal to begin with both on reinforced nodes along with the route and destination
- Clearer instructions should have been given in one channel advertised to players (was it so hard to include a hint in the news post to all join 'Intergalactic Summit')
- Been far clearer about the destination or its security status sooner then 10mins before departure so people could bring suitably fitted ships for the occasion rather then officer fitted PVE Vindis
Not to say it all went perfectly far from it...the fact that CCP seemed to fail to take into account TiDi a mechanic they invented which meant the event ended before anyone got there did indeed suck, flying though low/null in 10% Tidi is not fun at all unless your asleep.
I felt Overall that content wise it was a good event for those that expected to die and don't get butthurt over it, yes its sad that those new to events got a pretty poor impression of them as well as the newbies who never stood a chance (RIP those going through Doril). Event wise is was a shambles and completely mismanaged although I'm confident that CCP will learn from this.
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Petar Harad
Sebiestor Tribe
100
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:45:00 -
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I find it rather a let down that the only response from CCP at all after the event is to one of the very few positive threads/posts by players on this event. There are other quite good responses that are a lot lot less positive about this, yet CCP doesn't react to them? |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
167
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:48:00 -
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Petar Harad wrote:I find it rather a let down that the only response from CCP at all after the event is to one of the very few positive threads/posts by players on this event. There are other quite good responses that are a lot lot less positive about this, yet CCP doesn't react to them?
A) This thread is not that positive.
B) You've rather jumped the gun there. |
Petar Harad
Sebiestor Tribe
100
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:51:00 -
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Yes, you're right. I was just about to edit in that I missed that one.
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Coffeinum
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
2
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:53:00 -
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Petar Harad wrote:I find it rather a let down that the only response from CCP at all after the event is to one of the very few positive threads/posts by players on this event. There are other quite good responses that are a lot lot less positive about this, yet CCP doesn't react to them? it's the typical public relations bullshit that you might expect from someone who hasn't even trained damage control to level I.. expect that nothing will change, noone will learn and only you care.. so in other words dont even bother with this stuff and be done with it.
ccp goliath could have just said "sorry planning was ****** up for one portion of participants" but no we get "we are evaluating the feedback atm, bbl, bye"
". We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience." -> not our fault you idiots missunderstood and jumped when we said jump but did mean dont jump actually |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
168
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:02:00 -
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Coffeinum wrote:Quote: "We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience."
-> not our fault you idiots missunderstood and jumped when we said jump but did mean dont jump actually
They never said jump. Ever.
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Sneaky Jack
Kreetikal
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:10:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:So, I got beaten to it with the thread poasting on the recent live event, (woe is me!) but going to anyways because I think it deserves a little broader discussion.
Why I'm not upset: For those of us in the Meves fleet, not getting there was probably quite disappointing. 10% tidi is always a bit of a bummer. But to be honest I'm not upset because: A) Anyone with sense didnt bring their trillion-isk-gold-plated-diamond-steering-wheel-poon-patroler, and B) I think more than anything it's a learning experience. A good few EVE players don't throw themselves into the action, and I think this event was good for getting people to be a little more adventurous. People commanding fleets probably walk away having learned a little. i.e. Just because a man with a faction tag and a fancy hat tells you something, it's not always going to be a good idea. Also hopefully learned a little about null and moving a fleet through it. All it cost were some disposable ships, if you lost any. And this is of course not to mention that although we didn't get the shiny dev-layed golden loot eggs, most of us got an exciting fleet battle out of it.
What CCP did well: Had a event in null. Finally. I like this direction because of two reasons 1) This is a game with different players, none should be favorably treated, and 2) It helped to get people to cross over the game's dividing lines. Sure, a lot of folk will go back to living a care free life in hi, or back to the Star Wars Cantina of low. A couple though are going to think. "You know what, this interests me, I want to know more and play it better" And even those who remain in hi sec get to have the benefit of experiencing a different aspect of the game.
What CCP could have done better: Distance traveling. Dealing with TiDi is a given for any large fleet, but for the Meves folk it seemed like we were being led around in a bit of happy-fun-trail manner, lots of stopping off in systems of no actual importance, probably adding to journey time. In fact from Meves to 8V-SJJ there were probably about 3 stops in between. During which nothing happened. The TiDi was just the icing on the cake.
Maybe could have given a little more notice, but on the flipside it would have given the null folk and pirate sympathizers more time to prepare, and the fleet may have ended up being a non-starter.
Why CCP does not have to babysit you Of all the things I heard in the aftermath, and I will have to paraphrase, these were some of the choice things I heard: - "Why can't CCP just make the route HiSec?" - "Dev actors should have been acting as FCs for us!" - "Why didn't the Dev actors lead us?" - "Where are the Devs in Titans?" - "My ship wasn't fitted for PvP!" - "CCP sacrificed us to the big bad null alliances!" And it goes on as such. Now apart from the obvious glaring question of why take a PvE ship into null, there's a few things people seem to misunderstand. The reason why CCP does not hold you by the hand and walk you through null while whacking the wolves on the nose when they try to eat you, is because there are many ways to play this game. Contrary to what some seem to say, allowing you safe secure passage through null is not enabling you to play the game, but rather preventing others from playing how they want in their part of it. We all made a choice, an active choice to go into null. Nobody forced you. There is no reason to give you preferential treatment, or change the game around you, especially since you were warned, or had the common sense to check the top left corner of your screen.
All in all? 6/10 Worthwhile experiment but needs improvement and refining.
I Beg to DISAGREE IN MOST of what you say.
Null sec is DEAD and WILL be DEAD and not more people but LESS will even take an interest on it. Second if NULL was so good . .WHY OH WHY do you have ALTS in highsec ???? could it be because you need to make ISKIES?? buy stuff ? get mats? etc etc etc ?? you see the OPPOSITE does not apply, Bears have no alts in NULL !
But the point being that this "event " was nothing short of a major debacle that will only introduce newbie players to the bad side of PvP and Null sec.
This was CCP throwing you a bone. nothing else.
was this GOOD FOR EVE ? that is the question, NOT if was good for NULL this answer will be given to you in the form of Newbie players staying totally OUT of null. so enjoy.
AND that I can tell you from the 5 or 6 newbies I spoke to.
RUMINATE on that .
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Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
67
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:13:00 -
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I like the OP's view and details thereof and can't say there's more I'd add to the discussion as far as missed points.
My own path for this event led me to prepurchase and stage my deathboat in Deltole expecting to go have some fun and get shot up somewhere and see what the Devs had planned for our funerals. Prior to yesterday I hadn't been to a live event since the opening of the permanent wormhole between Yulai and Promised Land, this still stands since at the point where I was about to launch I got word through comms channels that Sarum Prime was closed and TiDi was spreading. This told me that somewhere someone didn't get the memo to reinforce the necesary nodes since the staging systems weren't holding up to the load. So I called abort and went back to my basecamp and continued about my day. Watching comms told me that my choice was the correct one since many of the would-be participants spent literally hours traveling and did not reach the event prior to it ending.
As was said in the Live Events channel, it's not about loot, isk, or even surviving it, it's about bieng there when it happened.
I'll put live events back on the bookshelf until at some point in the future the planning and execution is not broken or worse. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
168
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:24:00 -
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Sneaky Jack wrote:I Beg to DISAGREE IN MOST of what you say. Null sec is DEAD and WILL be DEAD and not more people but LESS will even take an interest on it. Second if NULL was so good . .WHY OH WHY do you have ALTS in highsec ???? could it be because you need to make ISKIES?? buy stuff ? get mats? etc etc etc ?? you see the OPPOSITE does not apply, Bears have no alts in NULL ! But the point being that this "event " was nothing short of a major debacle that will only introduce newbie players to the bad side of PvP and Null sec. This was CCP throwing you a bone. nothing else. was this GOOD FOR EVE ? that is the question, NOT if was good for NULL this answer will be given to you in the form of Newbie players staying totally OUT of null. so enjoy. AND that I can tell you from the 5 or 6 newbies I spoke to. RUMINATE on that .
WELL if we're GOING to be TALKING LIKE THIS, then I fear this MAY be IN vain, but HERE goes.
You CAN speculate ALL you LIKE, BUT the fact IS, I'm a HISEC player predominantly, and I've BEEN playing live events for a while.
Your ARGUMENT seem to be THAT because THE event WASN'T specifically tailored to hisec PLAYERS, then IT must BE a bad THING.
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Sneaky Jack
Kreetikal
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:33:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:Sneaky Jack wrote:I Beg to DISAGREE IN MOST of what you say. Null sec is DEAD and WILL be DEAD and not more people but LESS will even take an interest on it. Second if NULL was so good . .WHY OH WHY do you have ALTS in highsec ???? could it be because you need to make ISKIES?? buy stuff ? get mats? etc etc etc ?? you see the OPPOSITE does not apply, Bears have no alts in NULL ! But the point being that this "event " was nothing short of a major debacle that will only introduce newbie players to the bad side of PvP and Null sec. This was CCP throwing you a bone. nothing else. was this GOOD FOR EVE ? that is the question, NOT if was good for NULL this answer will be given to you in the form of Newbie players staying totally OUT of null. so enjoy. AND that I can tell you from the 5 or 6 newbies I spoke to. RUMINATE on that . WELL if we're GOING to be TALKING LIKE THIS, then I fear this MAY be IN vain, but HERE goes. You CAN speculate ALL you LIKE, BUT the fact IS, I'm a HISEC player predominantly, and I've BEEN playing live events for a while. Your ARGUMENT seem to be THAT because THE event WASN'T specifically tailored to hisec PLAYERS, then IT must BE a bad THING.
WELL .. miss the point much?
you should perhaps send a Public letter of Thank you to CCP for the wonderfully organized event and the satisfaction it provided.
Seems strange to actually paint the all debacle in any other light then a scathing critique of CCP.
But I'm Happy that you managed to see some positive points. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
168
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:37:00 -
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Sneaky Jack wrote:N'maro Makari wrote:Sneaky Jack wrote:I Beg to DISAGREE IN MOST of what you say. Null sec is DEAD and WILL be DEAD and not more people but LESS will even take an interest on it. Second if NULL was so good . .WHY OH WHY do you have ALTS in highsec ???? could it be because you need to make ISKIES?? buy stuff ? get mats? etc etc etc ?? you see the OPPOSITE does not apply, Bears have no alts in NULL ! But the point being that this "event " was nothing short of a major debacle that will only introduce newbie players to the bad side of PvP and Null sec. This was CCP throwing you a bone. nothing else. was this GOOD FOR EVE ? that is the question, NOT if was good for NULL this answer will be given to you in the form of Newbie players staying totally OUT of null. so enjoy. AND that I can tell you from the 5 or 6 newbies I spoke to. RUMINATE on that . WELL if we're GOING to be TALKING LIKE THIS, then I fear this MAY be IN vain, but HERE goes. You CAN speculate ALL you LIKE, BUT the fact IS, I'm a HISEC player predominantly, and I've BEEN playing live events for a while. Your ARGUMENT seem to be THAT because THE event WASN'T specifically tailored to hisec PLAYERS, then IT must BE a bad THING. WELL .. miss the point much? you should perhaps send a Public letter of Thank you to CCP for the wonderfully organized event and the satisfaction it provided. Seems strange to actually paint the all debacle in any other light then a scathing critique of CCP. But I'm Happy that you managed to see some positive points.
WELL .. make no points much?
Seriously, what did you actually head into null expecting?
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Judiciary Pag
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:43:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Thanks for taking the time to put together such well considered feedback. We really appreciate it and will take these points on board in our retrospective on the event.
Glad to hear CCP is taking the feedback to heart. While I was pretty frustrated and upset with this live event (not because I lost anything, but because I couldn't really participate), it is only because I care, I think that goes for a lot of people rageposting on this forum today. So I hope you guys don't get discouraged from doing future live events, judging by the commotion for this one caused, we desperately want them :P |
Sneaky Jack
Kreetikal
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:47:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:Sneaky Jack wrote:N'maro Makari wrote:Sneaky Jack wrote:I Beg to DISAGREE IN MOST of what you say. Null sec is DEAD and WILL be DEAD and not more people but LESS will even take an interest on it. Second if NULL was so good . .WHY OH WHY do you have ALTS in highsec ???? could it be because you need to make ISKIES?? buy stuff ? get mats? etc etc etc ?? you see the OPPOSITE does not apply, Bears have no alts in NULL ! But the point being that this "event " was nothing short of a major debacle that will only introduce newbie players to the bad side of PvP and Null sec. This was CCP throwing you a bone. nothing else. was this GOOD FOR EVE ? that is the question, NOT if was good for NULL this answer will be given to you in the form of Newbie players staying totally OUT of null. so enjoy. AND that I can tell you from the 5 or 6 newbies I spoke to. RUMINATE on that . WELL if we're GOING to be TALKING LIKE THIS, then I fear this MAY be IN vain, but HERE goes. You CAN speculate ALL you LIKE, BUT the fact IS, I'm a HISEC player predominantly, and I've BEEN playing live events for a while. Your ARGUMENT seem to be THAT because THE event WASN'T specifically tailored to hisec PLAYERS, then IT must BE a bad THING. WELL .. miss the point much? you should perhaps send a Public letter of Thank you to CCP for the wonderfully organized event and the satisfaction it provided. Seems strange to actually paint the all debacle in any other light then a scathing critique of CCP. But I'm Happy that you managed to see some positive points. WELL .. make no points much? Seriously, what did you actually head into null expecting?
At the lack of OFFICIAL word, we held, only 1 pilot got poded on my fleet, and that for being impatient.
This WAS NOT advertised as a NULL SEC EVENT, and that attracted a s***load of newbies, that had no knowledge of NULL / LOW / HIGH sec mechs.
what did I expect you ask ? well maybe the LIVE EVENT that CCP ADVERTISED? My fleet came prepared with empty clones, basic ships and prepared to wake up back in high. I'm mentoring about 8 or 9 newbies .. and I mean NEWBIES that wanted to participate in a LIVE EVENT .
well guess what? we never got near it. |
Hulemand
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:51:00 -
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Here is a point of view from a Serpentis loyalist and what we did.
Before the event GÇô Mail my Serpentis contact about the CONCORD rumors, get confirmation that Serpentis interest is in danger.
18.00 - Start forming up a fleet of Serpentis and Angel Cartel loyalist pilots, already thinking that this event will be a massive gank fest.
18.30 GÇô Fleet is a little low for our usual fleets as about 12 pilots depart from our low sec base in aHACs in route for FD- ready to defend Serpentis interest.
18.45 GÇô We enter Syndicate via MHC and continue towards the staging system.
18.52 GÇô Arrive in FD-, local is at 250+, mainly CFC and Brave Collective, we warp to station and dock up waiting for the event to begin. Local at this time is already full of the usual spam you can expect from CFC.
18.55 GÇô an IDS reporter talks with green in local making the goon spam grow
Around 19.00 - The Serpentis character Launette Vylier starts speaking in local and only after blocking Brave Collective and half of CFC am I able to keep up with the storyline. Local at this time is around 320+.
19.05 GÇô We are getting reports about the GÇ£good guysGÇ¥ (haha, EVE is now a childrenGÇÖs game with good vs. evil) moving towards Stacmon. Knowing that we are most likely the only ones in local that actually cares about the SerpentisGÇÖs and at the event not just to murder fancy DEV spawned battleships GÇô not to mention anyone else GÇô I mail Launette Vylier telling her I will take my little taskforce of loyalist capsules towards placid low sec as to intercept the empire fleets there.
19.06 GÇô Get a confirmation from Launette Vylier that the plan is approved by Serpentis Command and she does at the same time direct the murder hungry local towards the other direction so we slip quietly away from the crowd. Everyone in fleet agrees that going to the GÇ£fightingGÇ¥ area of the event would just see us killed by the so-called GÇ£pirate defendersGÇ¥ anyway.
19.30GÇÖish we enter Ostingele and hit a light TiDi. Our scout reports a tech 3 Shadow Cartel fleet in Alperaute having fun with killing high sec people trying to get to event. We decide to move around them and end up in heavy TiDiGÇÖed Covryn behind a 100GÇÖish man fleet coming from empire. We decide to engage these to prevent them from getting to Syndicate. In the end we get to kill a good amount of really poorly fit newbies while enjoying heavy TiDi. The poor guys get trapped between Shadow Cartel (now in Gare) and us. We had a good time, I am not sure the fleet that got decimated felt the same way.
HERE FOLLOWS THE POINT My fleet and I did get the feeling that we were supporting the Serpentis to the best of our ability but at the same time we would all have liked to be a bigger part of the event. Why didnGÇÖt the Serpentis GÇô which we have worked with in former events - not contact us in advance asking us to organize support for the possible threat? A call to arms to all of New Eden GÇô like CFC gives a **** about the storyline, they just want kills.
I saw a lot of spam in local as for instance a reply to Launette Vylier GÇÿs attempt to stir up the gathered GÇ£defendersGÇ¥ GÇ£Launette Vylier, and my axeGÇ¥ . 95% of the GÇ£pirate defendersGÇ¥ gave **** about the story or the role-play element.
What do I think the event team can learn from this?
- If you want to make a big shoot-it-all-event like you did yesterday, do a CCP DEV roam.
- If you want to do a storyline driven role-playGÇÖish event, use the few of us that actually spent time doing this part of EVE. Keep it smaller. Let it build up over a bit of time. Every time you make it huge, you will see the power blocks dominate.
- High sec have no chance against the null sec blocks GÇô I can only agree with the critic of the lambs being lead to slaughter. The fleet we took part in destroyed had not a single logi.
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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:21:00 -
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Hulemand wrote:Here is a point of view from a Serpentis loyalist and what we did.
Adding to this to try and put things together from both sides - in the hope of giving useful advice.
Quote:18.30 GÇô Fleet is a little low for our usual fleets as about 12 pilots depart from our low sec base in aHACs in route for FD- ready to defend Serpentis interest.
I get into the stagin system, meves. Local is about 600+ and chat is an endless spam of "x armor", "x shield" - I drop my line in and get invited to a fleet of about 15 people; FC has no leadership skills (not holding ti against you mate :P).
Quote:18.45 GÇô We enter Syndicate via MHC and continue towards the staging system.
Local and fleetchat is a constant flow of contradictory information. Someone says to move to Botane - I go check. Someone else mentions stacmon - another of the fleet's piltos goes to check. About the same time, fleet gets sorted to have bonuses.
Quote:18.52 GÇô Arrive in FD-, local is at 250+, mainly CFC and Brave Collective, we warp to station and dock up waiting for the event to begin. Local at this time is already full of the usual spam you can expect from CFC.
Main fleet is still at Meves; some information comes that we should move to Ihal. Botane is clean, scout hasn't reached stacmon due to TIDI.
Quote:18.55 GÇô an IDS reporter talks with green in local making the goon spam grow 19.00 - The Serpentis character Launette Vylier starts speaking in local and only after blocking Brave Collective and half of CFC am I able to keep up with the storyline. Local at this time is around 320+.
Main fleet still at meves; I get back from Botane; FC decides to start moving to Ihal for lack of better information. Nothing received from CCP/ISD or anyone else except through twitter. Scout still trying to reach stacmon.
19.05 - I'm 4 jumps towards Ihal; main fleet body (about 20 ppl now) still around meves. No clear information
19.15 - scout reaches stacmon, reports heavy TIDI and nothing there. FC decides to move there anyway. Rumors have that event is going on in 8V-SJJ.
19.30 - Fleet assembles at Stacmon. We decide to proceed towards 8V through losec.
19.40 - Fleet assembles at the gate to Aupergille (or something like that); about 7pilots left, rest is scattered through empire. On the other side, a T3 fleet is popping noobs like mad. I get tackled and barely escape with the pod.
That's how the event looked like from our side.
We were forced to rely on little to no information; I jsut got back after several years off and I wass unaware of the "live events" channel; so were my fleetmates it seems; no reliable information came in and those few pieces came through TWITTER??
WHY DO I COMPLAIN Keeping the location secret till the last moment and then forcing people to walk all the way there through null means two things: - unorganized PUG fleets will get scattered; - null-sec alliances will use cynos to get there a lot faster and prepare for a fight.
Null-sec alliances are ready to mount a fleet on short notice; that's necessary to maintain control over sovereign space. Hisec people aren't. Giving the former even more time by forcing the PUGs to get there on the lo/null sec dwellers terms just made the slaughter more obvious. Roaming around without any clue as to where to go was annoying and took a long time. In the meanwhile, the event was ongoing. I didn't get the chance to see any NPC or CCP representative. The event simply hasn't taken place for us: what I got of the story came through the forums today.
Now I have to wonder what the goal was: - show something cool to players? That failed, at least for those who were killed at the numerous camps; - interest people in PVP? whomever hasn't had previous experience has probably left with a feeling of utter powerlessness; hardly an incentive; - entertain the populace? Well, the campers probably had fun. Me, I just felt like I've wasted a couple hours. let's hope those 24 people who blapped me had fun...
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Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith Filthy Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:41:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Thanks for taking the time to put together such well considered feedback. We really appreciate it and will take these points on board in our retrospective on the event.
Picks one of the least critical, least representative, and dumbest posts about the event and chooses to comment on that post, because :CCP:. |
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