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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:what was my point? That the outcome of yesterday's event has anything to do with their diversifying into other game. Hiding it behind the invisibly thin veil of a loaded question does not disqualify it from being your point, and you have offered nothing to support this premise. Last i checked, i asked a suggestive question based on the assumption of wider possibilities under variable circumstances.
Based on the fact i made no direct accusations i have no onus to provide any substantative evidence other than letting the common mind decide.
It is you who erects the smokescreen.
Care to prove otherwise? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:22:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Last i checked, i asked a suggestive question based on GǪa ridiculous and thoroughly flawed premise that has no basis in reality. People are pointing out that your question has no answer because it is meaningless, and you're proving more and more that you don't really want an answer GÇö but then, rhetoric and loaded questions are always like that.
Quote:Care to prove otherwise? I don't have to prove anything until you do, and since you won't, I'm sitting pretty. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Last i checked, i asked a suggestive question based on GǪa ridiculous and thoroughly flawed premise that has no basis in reality. People are pointing out that your question has no answer because it is meaningless, and you're proving more and more that you don't really want an answer GÇö but then, rhetoric and loaded questions are always like that. Quote:Care to prove otherwise? I don't have to prove anything until you do, and since you won't, I'm sitting pretty. I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement. The principle one being that a percentage of eve player sub income generated is being allocated to other projects not involving eve. It is an open ended arguement to suggest how things might have been had that income not been diverted to other projects but eve. Are you suggesting in any way i am wrong? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17296
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:32:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement. Try reading. |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2333
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:33:00 -
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Zions Child wrote:Quiet, baddie.
Corporations spend their money on new projects because they want more money.
It's called business.
Shaddup.
Although I agree to an extent most corporations don't spend it as recklessly as CCP do. Even massive games companies wouldn't rely on the income of one game to fund four or more other projects that aren't bringing in an income, that's just business scale stupidity. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3447
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement. Try reading. Which he hasn't done in 5 pages and isn't going to. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:I have seen very little logic to counter my default arguement. Try reading. In all honesty i consider this to be a futile reply, The questions i pose in OP and in the other thread i linked are valid and in my opinion un-countered with any significant retort. Sleep beckons tho so have fun |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17297
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:50:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:In all honesty i consider this to be a futile reply So do I, since nothing so far seems to suggest that you'd actually follow that kind of useful advice.
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
576
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:55:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
CCPGÇÖs responsibility to you ends each month when your subscription expires, you renew a subscription and get another 30 days of CCPGÇÖs services, how they invest their money and into what products is not relevant, you are not a stockholder youGÇÖre a customer. And as a customer purchasing a fictional reality your expectations of continuity is probably also a fictional reality.
Imagine you are buying a hotdog form a vendor and he excitedly tells you he will be moving into Hamburgers next week, you hate hamburger so you stamp your feet wave your arms in the air and make a scene, but the vendor gets to take the profits he made from your love of Hotdogs and do whatever he wants, Soyburger, tofuuburger, green slime shakes, or whatever he deems is good for his future.
The simple truth is if you want to have some deciding influence in what CCP does, you need to buy a few million worth of stock, get on the Board of directors and set company policy and direction. I am sure CCP is thankful for your patronage, but would prefer you leave RL Corp decisions to RL Corp executives.
Diversifying into the possible next gen of game development is the only sure way to maintain a market share and the continuation of CCP, perhaps not EVE but certainly CCP.
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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:In all honesty i consider this to be a futile reply So do I, since nothing so far seems to suggest that you'd actually follow that kind of useful advice. Given your inability to address or answer the main point of the OP, and the fact you pick and choose what words to reply to, I would ask you endeavour to sell yourself as to why I might consider submitting myself to the wiles of your sagely advice, else with much sadness, I must discount that which stems from a flower I yet to consider in blossom |
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1503
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:13:00 -
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Zions Child wrote:Quiet, baddie.
Corporations spend their money on new projects because they want more money.
It's called business.
Shaddup.
So, how much profit do CCP make from DUST? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17297
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:59:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Given your inability to address or answer the main point of the OP An inability to read on your part does not constitute an inability address or answer on my part.
I've done both; you've failed to respond. I can only ask you to read again and hope that you actually try to come up with some kind of answer this time rather than try to deflect the question away from your own failures. |
adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:59:00 -
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OP, you are right and I think alike. But your point is missing. CCP didn't only waste the revenue, but also the energy, time and focus on some silly projects that we don't care about. And yes, EVE would have been different now if they had not.
But others have points as well. This is cold business, stripped from idealism, focused on more money alone. There you have it! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12279
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:04:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Does your boss threaten to fire you when you spend your wages on things he doesn't approve of? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1394
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:05:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Does your boss threaten to fire you when you spend your wages on things he doesn't approve of?
Yep. One of my alts got fired from The Scope for blowing all his money on Quafe and strippers. Now he's turned to the lonely world of suicide ganking. |
Pew Terror
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:07:00 -
[106] - Quote
Confirming OP is a highly successful business person and knows his stuff! |
IDGAD
Get in the van I have candy.
43
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:43:00 -
[107] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:They could stick this **** on the hottest servers on the planet, until they fix the stupid multithreading thing it's still going to run like **** if you slap enough people in a system.
Yes and no. The Jita node is what they called the reinforced nodes. If I remember right they have two other reinforced nodes available besides Jita. Since 2000 + fights are uncommon, the technology does exist to support most of the giant super fights. CCP just does not want to invest more into the EVE infrastructure. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1890
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:47:00 -
[108] - Quote
I want to know what Burger King is doing with the money I paid for my #4 Meal. |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
336
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:49:00 -
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They should make Dust a sub based game and see how many people actually play it then. hmmmmmm my guess would be less than 100. |
Zions Child
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
485
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:54:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Zions Child wrote:Quiet, baddie.
Corporations spend their money on new projects because they want more money.
It's called business.
Shaddup. So, how much profit do CCP make from DUST?
Depends.
How do you define profit?
Are you talking about profit during the development cycle of DUST 514? Because CCP Games made ~ $4.5 M in 2012. Are you talking about direct profit from DUST 514 Sales? Because then you have to get into the discussion of how they determine that profit, and how much those sales "cost."
Why? Because profit and loss are not easy to understand terms in corporate finance. Because the entire purpose of a company is to squeeze as much profit out of something as possible, and this includes artificially "increasing" costs on paper so as to pay less taxes; e.g. depreciation on property purchases.
All in all, CCPGames has not lost money since at least 2009. Their profits declined in 2012, from around $9M to $5M, but they also significantly increased their R&D costs and various other costs. Similarly, R&D costs have greatly increased in 2013. However, sales increased in 2012 compared to 2011, and sales in the first half of 2013 increased significantly from sales in 2012. Costs have gone up.
Long story short: CCP profited off of DUST, because CCP is currently a profitable company. Without internal sales figures and accounting, it's impossible to tell how much profit came from DUST and how much came from EVE.
EDIT: As for sources, there are these things called financial statements which you can read on your own. |
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Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1894
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:29:00 -
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Posting in another thread that is confused about the difference between an investor and a customer.
For the record, there are plenty of companies around the world, particularly car companies, that will profit off one product, but lose money on another, but the profit from the first outweighs the loss enough that you have a net profit at the end of the day, and the product taking a loss is still viable for mass production due to that net profit. |
Frying Doom
3263
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:33:00 -
[112] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Does your boss threaten to fire you when you spend your wages on things he doesn't approve of? That depends on whether or not it makes the papers and whether the community is after my blood over it |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1232
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:51:00 -
[113] - Quote
Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Good on you for playing Devil's advocate. In my opinion, If EVE online was it and all cash was invested there, we'd probably be in a better place now. I would expect EVE to include FPS avatar combat and twitch space shooting options, within the client and with the same character. Would this be better than what we have now? Not sure?? |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:03:00 -
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Also in before lock... ISD Please Lock now |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12300
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:54:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Does your boss threaten to fire you when you spend your wages on things he doesn't approve of? That depends on whether or not it makes the papers and whether the community is after my blood over it
The community, eh? |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
2583
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:10:00 -
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I like Cake |
Frying Doom
3267
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:15:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
Does your boss threaten to fire you when you spend your wages on things he doesn't approve of? That depends on whether or not it makes the papers and whether the community is after my blood over it The community, eh? Strangely I live in a town, now those people who live in the town are what is called a 'community'. Not sure where you live that you don't know what a community is. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
500
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:35:00 -
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So, is DUST earning the money for CCP already? Or do they just "siphon" the $$$ from EVE subscribers? |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:25:00 -
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My original point stands firm.
Like the post before this.
+1 for paying for other games and getting less in return eve wise for the same buck.
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:06:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Hai.
Eve is a game we all love.
That said many problems do exist and will continue to do so.
As an eve subscriber that has channelled my hard earned rl isk into playing i can only but ask how eve might have been better today if CCP had not chanelled so much into speculative projects.
I ask the communtity for their opinions.
How better might todays eve have been if CCP had not over streched.
Bad ps3 game / emo vampire game vs better servers - you decide.
Both have yet to prove they will ever be anything other than eve subscriber cash down the drain.
But, hey, we have a really bada$$ expansion on the way.
Oh, wait, that is a total fail job also. |
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