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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:28:00 -
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Sheri Angela wrote: whaaaaaaaa........hence no benefit should be obtained without risk...............whaaaaaaaaa
You are contradicting yourself.
Why do you believe you should be able to gain rewards risk free while the cloaker should be at risk while gaining no reward for his activity?
Here is a challenge for you.
Name one instance where a cloaked ship has shot at you or destroyed anything in eve.
Just one.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me.
Now don't judge or question.
You are broken now, but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.
(Opiate - Tool) |
Sheri Angela
6
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Posted - 2013.11.12 05:43:00 -
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I won't respond to posters who intentionally misquote me... It's almost like they are behaving as a politician (lowest of lifeforms) running for office.
1. Again how does what I propose grant ratters, miners, etc.100% safety.
2. Cloaking would still exist and would function as it does today except with a counter (with significant barrier to entry).
3. Never said BLOP mechanics are an issue.
4. Intel is a benefit and agree local is an issue where intel can be earned with no risk. Same applies to cloaked mid-space ship.
5. Like the new interceptor changes. Might even help with grabbing nullified ships.
TIDI = Increasing profit while decreasing service level to the customer disguised a nicely marketed benefit. What would Amazon have done here. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
644
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Posted - 2013.11.12 07:51:00 -
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Sheri Angela wrote:I won't respond to posters who intentionally misquote me... It's almost like they are behaving as a politician (lowest of lifeforms) running for office.
1. Again how does what I propose grant ratters, miners, etc.100% safety.
2. Cloaking would still exist and would function as it does today except with a counter (with significant barrier to entry).
3. Never said BLOP mechanics are an issue.
4. Intel is a benefit and agree local is an issue where intel can be earned with no risk. Same applies to cloaked mid-space ship.
5. Like the new interceptor changes. Might even help with grabbing nullified ships.
Thank you for taking the time to refuse to respond to me (with a 5 point response.) 
Sheri Angela wrote: almost like they are behaving as a politician (Laney is so hot) running for office.
I'll take that as an endorsement if I ever decide to run for CSM.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me.
Now don't judge or question.
You are broken now, but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.
(Opiate - Tool) |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
33
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:02:00 -
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Sheri Angela wrote:I won't respond to posters who intentionally misquote me...
Unfortunately, misquoting you is necessary to extract your actual desire from the bullshit that encapsulates it. We get it. You want risk-free nullbearing, and you're only just barely smart enough to understand that coming out and saying that will get you laughed off the board, so you've presented us with this clownishly lipsticked pig of an idea to make it seem like you're just trying to augment the peeveepeez.
Nobody is falling for it.
Quote:1. Again how does what I propose grant ratters, miners, etc.100% safety.
It's very simple. Right now, they have near-100% safety, by virtue of the existence of the perfect intelligence provided by local. As long as they can exert the monumental effort it takes to look at a chat window, they can flee to safety long before anyone has any hope of catching them, even if they know where they are.
There are no hard counters to this type of risk-aversion, which is pretty ironic when you consider that it's a behavior that's only found in null-sec - Eve's big bad "high-risk" frontier.
There is one soft counter: You can hang out, cloaked, indefinitely, thereby forcing the nullbear to either stop 'bearing or accept a measure of risk.
So, the brokenly-OP intel mechanic of local has exactly one soft counter, mechanically speaking, and you want to implement a hard counter to that soft counter, under the premise that "abloobloobloo, cloaking doesn't have a counter," thereby leaving local without even a soft counter... a notion that you don't seem to have much of a problem with, and isn't that curious?
It's almost like you have no actual philosophical objection to mechanics that can't be countered, except when they work against you, which is to say it's almost like you're completely full of ****.
Cloaking IS the counter. |
Homem na Estrada
5
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:57:00 -
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Main issue here is: You CAN find cloaked ships if you want. LoL
There are two powers: Power of Numbers and Power of Leadership
They compensate or add to each other, but nothing compensates or add to having neither.
Politics: If you dont use it, it will use you. |
Raptors Mole
Space Mutts
The Wolfpack Nexus
166
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:27:00 -
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There was a young man from Nantuket,
Who decloaked in a rusty bucket,
His weapons were cocked, but everyones docked,
A bear said in local "Aww fuckitt"! |
Sheri Angela
8
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:52:00 -
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Saw a good idea. Remove cloaked pilots from local and deny them dscan, probes, and local while cloaked. They can visually confirm presence of players which could result in them being decloaked if unfortunate to land near another ship reinforcing the benefit versus risk. If cloaked and in mid-space essentially safe and no benefit.
TIDI = Increasing profit while decreasing service level to the customer disguised a nicely marketed benefit. What would Amazon have done here. |
Sheri Angela
8
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Posted - 2013.11.16 08:15:00 -
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Also a write-up from EVE Las Vegas 2013 from a Q&A sessions with devs comments on cloaking. Nothing definitive other than a direction of the change if they were going to change it. http://lowseclifestyle.blogspot.com/2013/10/eve-vegas-2013-day-two-morning-session.html.
TIDI = Increasing profit while decreasing service level to the customer disguised a nicely marketed benefit. What would Amazon have done here. |
Master PewPew
Industrial Revolution Initiative
2
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Posted - 2013.12.04 06:38:00 -
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I want all players missions in HS/LS to show up as anoms in space. Because it sounds like thats all HS bears do is make isk in the safety of their sites. Lets make those sites visable and see where that takes us. |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
49
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Posted - 2013.12.04 12:22:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Sheri Angela wrote:I'm all about the tears bub. Imagine the buckets we could fill with them if we could hunt cloaked ships. Be honest - you don't want someone being 100% safe cloaking so that you can be 100% safe ratting. But you forgot about risk vs reward: The cloaker can not earn income doing his job. He has zero risk and zero reward. You can earn income from ratting. High reward should have a high risk. Seems to be working correctly as it is.
Cloaky prober works. I think... |
M1k3y Koontz
thorn project
Surely You're Joking
427
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:56:00 -
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Abel Tellor wrote:*decloaks*
No.
*recloaks*
I laughed. Then I realized forum alt. And laughed a bit more.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
M1k3y Koontz
thorn project
Surely You're Joking
427
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:58:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Sheri Angela wrote:
With intel in mind I would say that it is a valuable benefit and can indirectly lead to ISK, hence no benefit should be obtained without risk. You are effectively safe once at your mid-point and reaping (action) a benefit. Ratters/Miners, etc still have the penalty of paying attention when undocked, staying aligned, etc at the risk of somebody coming in on them regardless if they are cloaky or not. A cloaked pilot does not have this penalty.
If you really want to explore that avenue, please explain why you should have perfect knowledge of who is in a system merely because your fat ass is also present in said system. Local is brokenly overpowered. Cloaking is only almost as powerful as local, and stands as the sole balancing factor against the broken OPness of local.
Here we go with local again 
Nullsec VS WH is not a fair comparison.
WH space doesn't have cynos, doesn't have capital hotdrops, doesn't have 20 BLOPs ready to drop in. In WH space you can regulate who is your neighboor, if you don't like the guy in the next hole you can roll it and find new neighbors.
In nullsec you are stuck with your neighbors, you can't close stargates, and that one guy in local? He's got 20 guys in supers or BLOPs BSs & bombers ready to help him kill you.
So stop with the "remove nullsec local!!!1!" talk until you know what you're actually talking about.
I've lived in both Null and Wh, for the record. Local is the only think that makes nullsec ratting a thing, without it there would be no nullsec ratting, and therefore removing local would also remove targets, and remove the only reason for removing local, making the removal of local self-defeating.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
AFK Cloaker
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2013.12.09 05:06:00 -
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Nightravin Darkfire
Colonial Mining Group
3
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Posted - 2013.12.23 16:49:00 -
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As a miner I feel the pain of clocks campers. The only argument I would says is a suggestion on long term cloaking like 8 hours and then you can't cloak for a set time. This would prevent perma afk camping but still be quite effective. Now with that being said I do not think afk cloaking is broken at all. There is a very easy counter to afk campers and my corp used it all the time. I'll let you figure it out but it's quite funny how easy it is to do especially if you are in a decent sir alliance. Don't nerf cloaky campers. If anything I look forward to want new ships that revolve around cloaky ships and hope black ops battleships get buffed soon. |
Dan Carter Murray
464
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Posted - 2013.12.23 16:54:00 -
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solution:
titan module: decloaking smartbomb
does 1 emp damage in a 100 au diameter
can be activating 1x every 24 hours
titan can't move/bridge/jump/etc for 24 hours
gg end of thread
http://mfi.re/?j7ldoco 50GB free space @ MediaFire.com |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
Surely You're Joking
200
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Posted - 2013.12.31 10:36:00 -
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Any time I need assurance that my silent presence is affecting my victims, I simply open up forums and spend 15 minutes reading these whiny threads. It re motivates me to keep at my task. So thank you. |
Keko Khaan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2014.01.01 04:32:00 -
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Sheri Angela wrote:Cloak ships are similar to submarines in modern warfare and in modern warfare exists several platforms in combination that can counter submarines. I think a fun activity to add to the game would be an option to hunt cloaked ships.
To make this work and increase the barrier entry into this occupation I would suggest making it a team activity with multiple pilots being required to triangulate the ships location. The cloaked ship maintains the option of always relocating and disrupting the locating process of their opposition. This would create another activity that players could do and in trade possibly earn ISK through other players. It would most certaintly change strategies in the game. Thoughts?
*Adding Nullified*
I was too crying when i lived in null and those dirty cloaky campers came in my station system to cloaky camp.. I did came up with solution however.. Just put up a POS in some quiet backend system that doesnt even show in dotlan as u would be the only one killing rats there... But yea thats only how i did it.. Back then when i was still a null resident...
Anyhow its dirty and stuff.. But it should be imho.. Or do you think you should have as easy pve as highsec mission runners have but just without wardeck? L2PVE and im not being a **** even im gallente... |
Keko Khaan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2014.01.01 04:57:00 -
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Sheri Angela wrote:I'm all about the tears bub. Imagine the buckets we could fill with them if we could hunt cloaked ships.
However its not their tears that are bleeding atm.. Its seems to be your tears.. Huh?
Also i might need to add here that spaceships arent like nuclear submarines even tho you seem to think so.. No theyre more like spaceships and some of them can cloak.. Soo all in all.. Ruuun! And hide your babies too!! |
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