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Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:03:00 -
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Currently skilled up amarr with some gallente. What are your thoughts on these two as drone boats advantages or disadvantages of one over the other. |
Taal Khurin
Happy Asteroid Ltd
67
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:20:00 -
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The arby imo is not anywhere near as good a ship.
It is a fair bit squishier, far less dps with less drone BW, smaller cap and very ugly.
It's only saving grace is that is has tracking disruptor bonuses which are situational at best. |
Chessur
Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension
211
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:23:00 -
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Gitanmaxx wrote:Currently skilled up amarr with some gallente. What are your thoughts on these two as drone boats advantages or disadvantages of one over the other.
Well if you are looking for a drone boat, Vexor navy issue, Domi, Ishtar are really the only drone boats you should be flying. As far as T1 cruisers go, both the arbi and vexor are pretty bad.
I would suggest trying to get into a vexor navy if you want to take drones seriously. |
Niclas Solo
TEMPLAR. Syrian Natural Gas Co.
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:33:00 -
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Vexor, + More armor, better agility, more cap, higher sensor strength, bigger drone bay, more drone bandwidth, more PG, little bit faster. dmg bonus on guns.
Arbi + 1% better scan res and TD bonus. More cpu.
I think TD work so good so no bonus is needed, no problem fitting one on a vexor, i have one on my ishtar.
How come arbi is so bad? |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
304
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:33:00 -
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vexor dual damage bonus. Go nuts with 900dps or something. |
5iddhartha
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 23:15:00 -
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Niclas Solo wrote: How come arbi is so bad?
It's not that, it's that the Vexor is so good |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2165
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Posted - 2013.11.08 23:41:00 -
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vexor is a combat cruiser, arbitrator is a ewar cruiser. Totally different. In a vexor you press keep-at-range 2k and enable everything. You don't do this with an arbi |
Meyr
SiN Corp Advent of Fate
128
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Posted - 2013.11.08 23:57:00 -
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The Vexor is the highest DPS cruiser. Absolutely unbeatable as a Glass Cannon, it will melt battlecruisers in the right circumstances.
Even when tanked, it still punches above its weight class.
The Arbitrator was never meant to be a DPS giant, but to win with finesse, and terrorize turret-based BC's. I've fought Hurricanes to a standstill with one, solo (somehow, reinforcements always arrive...). It is extremely effective in small-gang and limited solo warfare, and, with the 5th low slot, can now mount a sturdy 1600mm roll, DC II, 2x EANM, and a DDA II, with trimarks. Very tough nut to crack.
That said, the Vexor will always be my favorite ship. I've run Lvl 4 missions in one, just to prove it could be done, ratted in 0.0, and PVP'd with varying degrees of success using it. |
Chessur
Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension
212
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:06:00 -
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Meyr wrote:The Vexor is the highest DPS cruiser. Absolutely unbeatable as a Glass Cannon, it will melt battlecruisers in the right circumstances. Even when tanked, it still punches above its weight class. The Arbitrator was never meant to be a DPS giant, but to win with finesse, and terrorize turret-based BC's. I've fought Hurricanes to a standstill with one, solo (somehow, reinforcements always arrive... ). It is extremely effective in small-gang and limited solo warfare, and, with the 5th low slot, can now mount a sturdy 1600mm roll, DC II, 2x EANM, and a DDA II, with trimarks. Very tough nut to crack. That said, the Vexor will always be my favorite ship. I've run Lvl 4 missions in one, just to prove it could be done, ratted in 0.0, and PVP'd with varying degrees of success using it.
Arbitrator, is really a bad solo / small gang ship. Vexor is better, but both still pale in comparison to the caracal. |
Dato Koppla
Perkone Caldari State
341
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:16:00 -
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Arbitrator is good if you're going up against a gun boat for obvious reasons, but in all other instances the Vexor is better. |
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Botia Macracantha
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:00:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Gitanmaxx wrote:Currently skilled up amarr with some gallente. What are your thoughts on these two as drone boats advantages or disadvantages of one over the other. Well if you are looking for a drone boat, Vexor navy issue, Domi, Ishtar are really the only drone boats you should be flying. As far as T1 cruisers go, both the arbi and vexor are pretty bad. I would suggest trying to get into a vexor navy if you want to take drones seriously.
Nonsense. Overpriced and unneccessary. Std Vexor fitted correctly is very good bang for buck, arguably one of the best in game. Vexor > Navy Vexor every time for small gang or solo roaming. Now for larger fleets - thats different. Tri in their Ishtars, for instance, is a very potent med sized gang, but here, Navy Vexor falls short on sig tanking. "Navy" = shorthand for "shoot me first" with +2 heavy/sentry drones no real compensation.
Arbitrator (as others point out) is not really comparable with Vexor - different roles and uses. |
Meyr
SiN Corp Advent of Fate
128
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:36:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Meyr wrote:The Vexor is the highest DPS cruiser. Absolutely unbeatable as a Glass Cannon, it will melt battlecruisers in the right circumstances. Even when tanked, it still punches above its weight class. The Arbitrator was never meant to be a DPS giant, but to win with finesse, and terrorize turret-based BC's. I've fought Hurricanes to a standstill with one, solo (somehow, reinforcements always arrive... ). It is extremely effective in small-gang and limited solo warfare, and, with the 5th low slot, can now mount a sturdy 1600mm roll, DC II, 2x EANM, and a DDA II, with trimarks. Very tough nut to crack. That said, the Vexor will always be my favorite ship. I've run Lvl 4 missions in one, just to prove it could be done, ratted in 0.0, and PVP'd with varying degrees of success using it. Arbitrator, is really a bad solo / small gang ship. Vexor is better, but both still pale in comparison to the caracal.
Shuuuuuuushh!!!!!
It's not polite to give false, misleading, or just plain bad advice! Your missile spewing piece of Caldari tinfoil shall never know the beauty and nobility of using tiny remote-controlled robots to systematically tear your enemies to bits while simultaneously blowing big holes in their hulls!
Actually, the new Caracal has turned out to be pretty damned good, especially as a frigate hunter, when equipped with RLML's. Not sure how true that's going to be in a couple of weeks, though. Have you seen the proposed changes? |
Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:49:00 -
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Cool, thanks for the input everyone.
Basically on my last run of eve I tried faction warfare to try and get out of pve only rut. Bought and fitted 10 frigates with t2 equipment, gathered a few other pvp noobs and no one would ever fight us unless they literally outnumbered us 15 to 3. So I figured this time Id try finding a corp to take me in. I don't want to go above cruisers because I can afford to lose those. Trying to figure out what I would be most useful buying a bunch of and focusing on learning. |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
239
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:15:00 -
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Vexor is awesome. You don't have to fly the navy or T2 versions, though those are good too. I've won a 4v1 vs a caracal, 2 DPS frigs and a logi frig. I think I could have solo killed the thorax that came later, but the friends I called for showed up because I underestimated the old girl.
It really shines in an armor config at plex gates where you start at zero. A caracal can kite you, but just put ECM drones on him then tackle or flee.
In faction warfare, join a corp. but also - you don't have to fit everything t2. When you are learning, T1 stuff is fine.
Amar boats are strong right now too, if that is your thing. |
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
26
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:35:00 -
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I've always liked this video... Arbi power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc7ht0gCECY |
Chessur
Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension
227
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:56:00 -
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Meyr wrote:Chessur wrote:Meyr wrote:The Vexor is the highest DPS cruiser. Absolutely unbeatable as a Glass Cannon, it will melt battlecruisers in the right circumstances. Even when tanked, it still punches above its weight class. The Arbitrator was never meant to be a DPS giant, but to win with finesse, and terrorize turret-based BC's. I've fought Hurricanes to a standstill with one, solo (somehow, reinforcements always arrive... ). It is extremely effective in small-gang and limited solo warfare, and, with the 5th low slot, can now mount a sturdy 1600mm roll, DC II, 2x EANM, and a DDA II, with trimarks. Very tough nut to crack. That said, the Vexor will always be my favorite ship. I've run Lvl 4 missions in one, just to prove it could be done, ratted in 0.0, and PVP'd with varying degrees of success using it. Arbitrator, is really a bad solo / small gang ship. Vexor is better, but both still pale in comparison to the caracal. Shuuuuuuushh!!!!! It's not polite to give false, misleading, or just plain bad advice! Your missile spewing piece of Caldari tinfoil shall never know the beauty and nobility of using tiny remote-controlled robots to systematically tear your enemies to bits while simultaneously blowing big holes in their hulls! Actually, the new Caracal has turned out to be pretty damned good, especially as a frigate hunter, when equipped with RLML's. Not sure how true that's going to be in a couple of weeks, though. Have you seen the proposed changes?
Sadly I have, and am fighting the change with much gusto, along with the rest of the small gang community in that thread. However Fozzie might just derp, and place it in rubicon anyway. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1644
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:30:00 -
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Chessur is a hopeless nanofag, ignore him. :P
Both the arbi and the vexor are fine.
(that said the caracal is awesome) BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
2
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:19:00 -
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Go for the vexor...the Arby is just fugly. |
Chessur
Strontless Mistakes Fatal Ascension
227
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:48:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Chessur is a hopeless nanofag, ignore him. :P
Both the arbi and the vexor are fine.
(that said the caracal is awesome)
Being a nanofag, is the only way to ***.
I take this as a compliment. Nano > All |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1042
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:32:00 -
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I like how half of this thread is talking about how the arbitrator is only good if there are gunships on the field, as if that was some kind of rare occurrence. |
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Uppsy Daisy
Perkone Caldari State
561
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:43:00 -
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http://themittani.com/news/alod-little-arby-could
Fun |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
646
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Posted - 2013.11.12 02:09:00 -
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Vexor is a beast. And everyone knows it so they generally over ship or blob the crap outta them. and it is a pretty simple ship though.
Charge and fire/launch drones.
Arbitrator however is and always has been IMO the amarr cruiser king. The versitily of it is just un matched in the T1 cruiser line up for both pvp and pve activities in all areas of space. If you ever just wanted to fly one boat that can be pretty much usefull in 95% of all situations anywhere. Fly the Arbi.
And it is by far the sexiest Cruiser in game!! That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:33:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Vexor is a beast. And everyone knows it so they generally over ship or blob the crap outta them. and it is a pretty simple ship though.
Charge and fire/launch drones.
Arbitrator however is and always has been IMO the amarr cruiser king. The versitily of it is just un matched in the T1 cruiser line up for both pvp and pve activities in all areas of space. If you ever just wanted to fly one boat that can be pretty much usefull in 95% of all situations anywhere. Fly the Arbi.
And it is by far the sexiest Cruiser in game!!
I've got to say, i agree it's very sexy. I've always thought it looked awesome, I used it for missions for a long time mostly because of that.
I'm pretty clueless on it's performance in pvp though. Would it be bad form to fly it with no point, just lots of TDs? not solo obviously, but in a fleet? |
Dato Koppla
Retribution Innovations
344
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:04:00 -
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Gitanmaxx wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:Vexor is a beast. And everyone knows it so they generally over ship or blob the crap outta them. and it is a pretty simple ship though.
Charge and fire/launch drones.
Arbitrator however is and always has been IMO the amarr cruiser king. The versitily of it is just un matched in the T1 cruiser line up for both pvp and pve activities in all areas of space. If you ever just wanted to fly one boat that can be pretty much usefull in 95% of all situations anywhere. Fly the Arbi.
And it is by far the sexiest Cruiser in game!! I've got to say, i agree it's very sexy. I've always thought it looked awesome, I used it for missions for a long time mostly because of that. I'm pretty clueless on it's performance in pvp though. Would it be bad form to fly it with no point, just lots of TDs? not solo obviously, but in a fleet?
In a fleet you wouldn't really use an Arbitrator, and in small gang you always want a point. Personally I'd go for for a 1600 plate, damage control, EANM, 2 DDA in lows, 10mn MWD, scram, 2x TD, and 4 small neuts in the highs. Gives a solid tank and good versatility, and 2 bonused TD is enough to neuter most gunboats completely. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
215
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:21:00 -
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I prefer the arbitrator over the vexor.
It takes some odd thinking to make it shine in pvp. It's a hell of a ghetto medic with DPS when in mixed gangs of T1 cruisers. Defender Missiles with a shield fit.
Although the armor fleet EW ship with some dps is it's main PvP function.
For PvE it has a big bag of tricks too. The TD can help it speed tank. Or you can max DPS with another shield fit.
Vexor has it's positives, Especially on the gank / alpha end of PvP. This is a very popular aspect of eve as the rest of this thread shows.
Gila is the goal for cruiser drone use. Arbitrator will get you there faster. |
Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2013.11.12 05:25:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Gitanmaxx wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:Vexor is a beast. And everyone knows it so they generally over ship or blob the crap outta them. and it is a pretty simple ship though.
Charge and fire/launch drones.
Arbitrator however is and always has been IMO the amarr cruiser king. The versitily of it is just un matched in the T1 cruiser line up for both pvp and pve activities in all areas of space. If you ever just wanted to fly one boat that can be pretty much usefull in 95% of all situations anywhere. Fly the Arbi.
And it is by far the sexiest Cruiser in game!! I've got to say, i agree it's very sexy. I've always thought it looked awesome, I used it for missions for a long time mostly because of that. I'm pretty clueless on it's performance in pvp though. Would it be bad form to fly it with no point, just lots of TDs? not solo obviously, but in a fleet? In a fleet you wouldn't really use an Arbitrator, and in small gang you always want a point. Personally I'd go for for a 1600 plate, damage control, EANM, 2 DDA in lows, 10mn MWD, scram, 2x TD, and 4 small neuts in the highs. Gives a solid tank and good versatility, and 2 bonused TD is enough to neuter most gunboats completely.
Thank you. I meant small gang, not great on the terminology for pvp. This fit sounds good. one thing I'm wondering, what about if I get drones thrown back at me? |
Dato Koppla
Retribution Innovations
348
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Posted - 2013.11.12 07:28:00 -
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Gitanmaxx wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Gitanmaxx wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:Vexor is a beast. And everyone knows it so they generally over ship or blob the crap outta them. and it is a pretty simple ship though.
Charge and fire/launch drones.
Arbitrator however is and always has been IMO the amarr cruiser king. The versitily of it is just un matched in the T1 cruiser line up for both pvp and pve activities in all areas of space. If you ever just wanted to fly one boat that can be pretty much usefull in 95% of all situations anywhere. Fly the Arbi.
And it is by far the sexiest Cruiser in game!! I've got to say, i agree it's very sexy. I've always thought it looked awesome, I used it for missions for a long time mostly because of that. I'm pretty clueless on it's performance in pvp though. Would it be bad form to fly it with no point, just lots of TDs? not solo obviously, but in a fleet? In a fleet you wouldn't really use an Arbitrator, and in small gang you always want a point. Personally I'd go for for a 1600 plate, damage control, EANM, 2 DDA in lows, 10mn MWD, scram, 2x TD, and 4 small neuts in the highs. Gives a solid tank and good versatility, and 2 bonused TD is enough to neuter most gunboats completely. Thank you. I meant small gang, not great on the terminology for pvp. This fit sounds good. one thing I'm wondering, what about if I get drones thrown back at me?
That's what the tank is for :) If you're dying because there are too many drones on you chances are your gang is in a losing fight and you're be screwed anyway. You get around 32k EHP with the fit I suggested so it will last quite awhile under fire unless there's a huge amount of dps on the field in which case as I said before you'd probably dead no matter what you fit.
Here's the fit I suggested: [Arbitrator, PvP]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x3 Warrior II x4
Lots of spare drones in case they get blown up and some ECM drones incase things go bad you can use them to escape, dps is low for a cruiser @ 351 with Hammerheads, but you thats the sacrifice you make for using an Arbi, in return you get excellent ewar capability. To give you an idea how brutal the tracking disruption is, you can disrupt a 45k+10km range (Mega Pulse with Scorch, one of the furthest hitting turrets in small scale PvP) down to 7+1km with range scrips essentially gimping it so badly it can't even hit the edge of scram :) |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1648
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Posted - 2013.11.12 08:13:00 -
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Ok here is a little tip, If your cruise can be armor tanked without being a massive special snow flake.
Dual rep it, not only is it quite good, its also by far the most fun way to tank ^^ BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
239
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:34:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Ok here is a little tip, If your cruise can be armor tanked without being a massive special snow flake.
Dual rep it, not only is it quite good, its also by far the most fun way to tank ^^
Agreed, though on cruisers, dual rep + plate is pretty dang good too. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Janna Sway
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
54
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:50:00 -
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Gitanmaxx wrote:Currently skilled up amarr with some gallente. What are your thoughts on these two as drone boats advantages or disadvantages of one over the other.
You are trying to compare apples with oranges. The comparison is not valid. The Arbitrator is not a DPS ship, but an EWAR platform. The Vexor is not an EWAR platform, but a DPS ship. :) |
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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
194
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:51:00 -
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Gitanmaxx wrote:Currently skilled up amarr with some gallente.
The new SoE ships are made with these two races in mind and have large drone bays and bonuses so you might want to check them out.
I have only skimmed the specs, but they do seem nice. Currently my favorite ships are the Ishtar (for the drones) and the Force Recon (for the stealth) ships so I am looking forward to the new SoE additions. |
TuxedoMask
Justified Chaos
27
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Posted - 2013.11.15 01:38:00 -
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Vexor is a better ship
but the Arby is far fromugly |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
437
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Posted - 2013.11.15 07:33:00 -
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Meyr wrote:Actually, the new Caracal has turned out to be pretty damned good, especially as a frigate hunter, when equipped with RLML's. Not sure how true that's going to be in a couple of weeks, though. Have you seen the proposed changes?
Here's my prediction: people are going to be calling for a nerf to rapid lights within a month of Rubicon's launch. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
223
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:45:00 -
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You can shield fit the arbitrator for over 28k with more than 500 dps with ease.
It won't have any EW but it can be used as a pure dps machine just not with armor groups.
It would rely on fleet logi to stay alive and has a much higher resist compared to armor version of similar health.
It's a very good ship to learn on due to the lasers, missiles, drones, EW, shield or armor tank all in one ship.
Vexor = Drone/Blaster gank DPS.
Arbitrator = Jack of all trades. |
Asa Shahni
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
4
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Posted - 2013.11.19 07:27:00 -
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how can we compare a combat cruiser to an EWAR support one ? this is just silly like comparing a zealot and an arazu ^^ |
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