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Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:59:00 -
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hej hej!
i want to fly the passive rattlesnake in L4s (with and without MJD.. im not sure yet)
assuming i have good shield tank skills - can i do all L4s with just T1 sentrys?
..i have between 400 - 600 dps (meta4 launchers, T2 Scout drones, T1 Sentrys)
im not looking for highest ISK/Hour atm. i just want to survive the missions.. do u think that works?
cheers, Schmu |
Mizhir
AQUILA INC
43427
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Posted - 2013.11.10 14:24:00 -
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Buy faction sentries. They cost around 3mil pr drone so it is not that bad. |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 14:33:00 -
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thanks.. thats a good option.. i dunno if im going to use them tho..
40 dps more on Garde with my skills.. think i'd prefer to get Sentry Drone V and Interfacing V ASAP
but still asking: can i beat L4s with the stats that i posted? |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:48:00 -
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Rattlesnakes are probably the best PvE ship, they have the best tank of any ship battleship and down and easily do 900 to 1200 DPS. The down side is they are VERY skill heavy. You need to have good shield skills, good drone skills, good missiles skills, Gal/Cald battleship to L4, I have mine to L5. But if you get your skills up you have a ship that can pretty much do any PvE, and looks great too. Here's The Fit I use for SoE L4s
Rattlesnake
High - - Cruiser Missile Launcher II - Fury Cruise Missiles, Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Cruise Missiles - Cruiser Missile Launcher II - Fury Cruise Missiles, Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Cruise Missiles - Cruiser Missile Launcher II - Fury Cruise Missiles, Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Cruise Missiles - Cruiser Missile Launcher II - Fury Cruise Missiles, Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Cruise Missiles - Drone Link Augmentor II - Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium - - Large Shield Extender II - Large Shield Extender II - EM Ward Ampifier II - Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II - Shield Recharger II - Omnidirectional Tracking Link II - Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Low - - Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I - Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I - Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I - Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I - Drone Damage Amplifier II - Drone Damage Amplifier II
Rig - - Large Core Defense Field Purger II - Large Core Defense Field Purger II - Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Drone - - Garde II x5 - Bouncer II x5 - Hammerhead II x5 - Valkyrie II x5 - Hobgoblin II x5 - Warrior II x5
Does over 900DPS, shield reps 240 plus every second, all resist over 66%.
Now I know someone will ask why Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I instead of T2, well because they do everything just like the T2s but take less CPU. Sometimes Meta 4s really are better then T2s. Second question is why fully passive, well with SoE sometimes you fight Blood Raiders, if you are fully passive they don't effect you. Why no prop module? Well because I also have a Tengu I use, and I know my missions so I pick the ship that will perfrom best for said mission. Why T2 rigs, well one reason is because large rigs have dropped in pirce by a lot, and second, because it isn't for PvP Gardes are for when the targets come close, bouncers for range, don't use your medium or scout drones unless your target is within 15km to10km, and know which type to use. This ship slightly changed can also do L5s, Sancs, and most 6 of 10 and up solo. It will need to be modified for the enemy you are engaging and you will also want to give it more rep per sec. |
I544CJON35 Aldent
The Romper Stompers
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:03:00 -
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I currently Use the rattlesnake, and have used both the passive fit and active fit. In my opinion you get more dps, range, mobility, and tank with an active tank. This is because you're not devoting tons of slots to making the shields recharge faster and whatnot.
Passive tank works for L4 missions but active is much more versatile. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
66
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:24:00 -
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I544CJON35 Aldent,
You are right, the active RS get's a lot more DPS and defense then the passive. You can get 1200 to 1300 DPS and have a tank that is 1600 plus OMNI tank. The passive can't tank or do the DPS the active can, but it can take being neuting with no effect, and still get a good tank and 800 to 900DPS, which for L4s is more then enough. Want a great active tank, make sure to get a full crystal set in and at least 5% missile implants and just put a lot of drone modules on, and it will rock most anything L4 and down. For L5s you will need the passive fit, same with some sancs, and a lot of the 10 sites. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
248
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:42:00 -
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Hejsan.
yes you can do most lvl 4s with those stats, be careful about worlds collide, enemies abound, blockade.. (off the top of my head) and you should be fine. |
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:32:00 -
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Blood Raider Blockade is super easy in an RS, even with the neuting...
Just warp to 100, deploy curators, and go make some coffee. |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
3
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:14:00 -
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Quote: Hejsan.
yes you can do most lvl 4s with those stats, be careful about worlds collide, enemies abound, blockade.. (off the top of my head) and you should be fine.
thats what i wanted to hear :) thanks alot!
and yes, all u others are very smart too ;P |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
27
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:21:00 -
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Good fit thaddeus, but for lvl4's you can get away with way more dps for a lazy tank by dropping a relay+recharger and running 3 hardeners and 3 drone damage amps. There is nothing wrong with missioning lazy mode buttttt. THE way to fly rattlers is active as that is how it really shines. You need to have higher skills for that though or fitting for maximum damage won't be worth the loss in tank. |
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Vicento
Illuminati Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.11 13:23:00 -
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Running this active one :
[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake: Active ] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Pith A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Pith A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Large Micro Jump Drive Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I Large Ionic Field Projector I
Warden II x5 Garde II x5
Other suggestions welcome :) |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
27
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:05:00 -
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First suggestion would be not to advertise you fly a bling fit, although I assume that is an alt. Second I wouldn't go overkill on the faction modules when it comes to missile damage. IT seems to be a bit over-tanked/blued, I would not want to fly with more then 500mill-ish on a rattler. What I would go for are implants, the cap ones and missile ones. |
Cambarus
The Dark Triad Atrocitas
330
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:43:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Rattlesnakes are probably the best PvE ship, they have the best tank of any ship battleship and down and easily do 900 to 1200 DPS. The down side is they are VERY skill heavy. You need to have good shield skills, good drone skills, good missiles skills, Gal/Cald battleship to L4, I have mine to L5. But if you get your skills up you have a ship that can pretty much do any PvE, and looks great too. Here's The Fit I use for SoE L4s
tank in level 4s doesn't really matter much. When I was running missions in my navy domi I rarely made use of my 500ish dps tank, because WC and the blockade were the only missions that forced me to even turn my booster on. 1500 dips out to 50km was enough to ensure that mobs. Die before you do, and that's really the case with any good mission ship.
For Low sp the rattler is fine, but you really want to be upgrading to something with a little more oomph as you get better skills. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
318
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:51:00 -
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if you have t2 cruiser and support skills thats great, but I wouldn't waste many slots on improving the missile aspects, which should pretty much be supplemental damage for battleships, battlecruisers, and structures. First priority should be drone damage, range, application, and drone links. Second priority should be tank, and third priority should be mobility. After your DDAs, a sigamp or damage control are things i would prefer to fit over ballistic controls. At times i've run dual-prop MJD/mwd, which gives you excellent mobility for optimally placing your sentries and moving quickly gate to gate. If you don't go for an MJD, you need a heavier tank and slightly less range.
Nothing is an absolute rule though, between active and passive tanking, and weather you want to engage at close or long range, there's a much larger range of viable fitting options than for most other ships I feel. Fighting is Magic |
Ravage Prime
Uncharted Skies Cerberus Unleashed
5
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:30:00 -
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Schmu Efrafa wrote:hej hej!
i want to fly the passive rattlesnake in L4s (with and without MJD.. im not sure yet)
assuming i have good shield tank skills - can i do all L4s with just T1 sentrys? edit: (tanks >500 dps Blood Raiders, >900 dps Guristas)
..i have between 400 - 600 dps (meta4 launchers, T2 Scout drones, T1 Sentrys) edit: (400 dps Hammerhead II, 580 dps Garde I, 470 dps Warden I all with launchers)
im not looking for highest ISK/Hour atm. i just want to survive the missions.. do u think that works?
cheers, Schmu
I spend the last 2 weeks doing lvl4 missions with that fitting:
[Rattlesnake, New Setup 1] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Shield Boost Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Shield Booster II Auto Targeting System I Auto Targeting System I Small Tractor Beam II [empty high slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
Tank was never ever a problem incluiding the most difficult missions, only drone aggro sometimes was annoying. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
318
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:36:00 -
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if you're going to go for a b-type gist XL, you really don't need to spend 3 lowslots on power diagnostics. Also 3 omnis without a DLA or something to extend your targetting range is an issue. If you want a permatank use a large booster instead of an XL. Fighting is Magic |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
3
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:54:00 -
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thanks again for all the suggestions..
i tried the rattle now for 10 missions and never had to warp out (Enemies Abound and other 4k LP Missions)
i fit basic passive tank with:
3x drone amp II 3x beta shield thingy
2x Navy Omni Link 3x specific Hardeners II 2x LSE II
4x Arbalest Cruise
Navy Faction Sentries & T2 Scout drones
...considering i have Caldari BS 3 and only Gallente BS 2 im doing very good.. of course i train them to 4 ASAP, but after these first test i would say the Rattle is a good boat even if u dont have 10mil SP
im running it with 4,2mil SP (and 1mil SP is for Mining/Hauling) and my ISK/Hour is pretty good for my standards..
hihi.. such a great boat.. cant wait to fly it with propper skills soon
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Maxx Phobos
3
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:57:00 -
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Schmu Efrafa wrote:hej hej!
i want to fly the passive rattlesnake in L4s (with and without MJD.. im not sure yet)
assuming i have good shield tank skills - can i do all L4s with just T1 sentrys? edit: (tanks >500 dps Blood Raiders, >900 dps Guristas)
..i have between 400 - 600 dps (meta4 launchers, T2 Scout drones, T1 Sentrys) edit: (400 dps Hammerhead II, 580 dps Garde I, 470 dps Warden I all with launchers)
im not looking for highest ISK/Hour atm. i just want to survive the missions.. do u think that works?
cheers, Schmu
Yes T1 drones will work just fine until you can get T2 .. I ran a few in a newly aquired rattler a week ago just to test the state of drones and it ran through Gurista's Extravaganza in about 40-45 min, not super fast but never had an issue with tank even running active tank.
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Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
27
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:15:00 -
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Gallente BS need to be priority here. No excuse for not having lvl4 in gallente BS 2 minutes into playing EvE :D. But seriously, get it!! It is the most SP/value ratio you will get in a while. |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
3
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:51:00 -
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i quote myself Quote:of course i train them to 4 ASAP
i am training to IV at the moment.. doesnt mean i cant hop into the rattler before and check it out no? |
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Niclas Solo
TEMPLAR. Syrian Natural Gas Co.
6
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:06:00 -
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Schmu Efrafa wrote:i quote myself Quote:of course i train them to 4 ASAP i am training to IV at the moment.. doesnt mean i cant hop into the rattler before and check it out no?
It is a good way to lose ships, When you fly them too soon. Just because you can doesn't mean you should And for missions tank is overrated, you want dps so you can finish them asap. |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
4
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:35:00 -
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yep im aware of that :)
i am very very careful running L4s tho.. i study eve survival and make sure that webbing frigs and neut ships are taking care of as soon as possible..
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Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
27
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:37:00 -
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Do what you can afford, and enjoy. Priorities for your rattler are. Targeting skills to 4. Shield skills to 4. Drone interfacing 5, sentry interfacing 4, support in this order; drone sharpshooting, combat drone ops, electronic warfare drone interfacing, drone durability+navigation to 3. Don't neglect your navigation skills, they should be at 4 for the relevant skills MJD ops should not go over 3. Gallente BS skill to 5, caldari can hang at 4 for a while. Do not neglect your social skills especially security connections. |
Janna Sway
53
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:03:00 -
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Schmu Efrafa wrote:thanks.. thats a good option.. i dunno if im going to use them tho.. 40 dps more on Garde with my skills.. think i'd prefer to get Sentry Drone V and Interfacing V ASAP but still asking: can i beat L4s with the stats that i posted? edit: i just went to jita and bought these drones
Yes, you will do fine. Just pop the frigates as soon as you enter the mission and warp out and dock up if you need to recover. :) |
Luis Alejandro Flores
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.11.13 06:13:00 -
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Your fit kinda depends on what rats you're fighting. Which system are you missioning in? |
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
5
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Posted - 2013.11.13 07:09:00 -
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Quote:Yes, you will do fine. Just pop the ewar-frigates as soon as you enter the mission and warp out and dock up if you need to recover. :) Take care of the triggers with attention, or else you might end up asking in local for help or repeat the mission the next day after downtime. :P Don't get afraid, you will not lose any ships. Just go out and approach the missions with care. You will learn a lot by doing so. Warp out if it gets hot. Better safe than sorry. Don't be ashamed to ask in local for others to run the missions together with you. People are in systems for a reason, and more often than not, the pilots in the same system follow same interests. You can make friends quickly and have a lot of fun running the missions, even if your skills are more than terrible. :) I am writing out of personal experience. :))
The training of Sentry DI and DI, both to V might feel like an eternity, but believe me, once you finish both, you will not regret a single second of waiting time. Start with Sentry DI 5 first. Gallente BS 5 is not THAT crucial. You will deal enough damage without it already, don't worry about that. Use the 35-40 days of training time for other more crucial support skills. Train Weapon upgrades IV for T2 DDA, Drone Sharpshooting V for T2 Omnidirectional tracking links, and for T2 shield tanking modules as soon as possible.
Have a lot of fun with the L4 missions and I hope you will make a lot of friends. :)
thanks! thats what im doing right now.. getting rid of EWAR ships and watching triggers.. ..did all the tough L4 missions without warping out (Enemies Abound, Damsel, Blockade etc.)
my shield skills are good already.. only Shield Management is still on IV.. but my tank is good enough atm.
next step is Gallente & Caldari BS 4 (after Ewar Drone Interfacing 3) and then Sentry Interfacing 5 (i prefer that to DI 5 because of better range with Gardes/Bouncers T2 sentrys) DI 5 comes afterwards.. (weapon upgrades is IV, drone sharpshooting IV: im using navy omnis -> train to V soon)
before Gallente/Caldari BS 5 im training to T2 Cruise Missiles (i like the idea of hopping in a Navy Scorpion or CNR from time to time)
Quote:Your fit kinda depends on what rats you're fighting. Which system are you missioning in?
Caldari Space..
i know about the magical rat specific tanking and damage to deal ;)
cheers! |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
27
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:13:00 -
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All up to you but. The optimal route would be gallente BS 4, drone interfacing 5, drone durability 3, drone sharpshooting 5 and finally sentry drone interfacing 5. Damage between faction and techII is not enough to ignore the amount of tank you get out of faction drones. Don't think that with sub-optimal skills you will get the same dps scoop/returning techII drones due to agro. It will lessen dps and also tax your ship tank more. The amount of tracking you get out of techII's are not going to bring home the dps if there isn't enough. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
336
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:02:00 -
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Niclas Solo wrote:Schmu Efrafa wrote:i quote myself Quote:of course i train them to 4 ASAP i am training to IV at the moment.. doesnt mean i cant hop into the rattler before and check it out no? It is a good way to lose ships, When you fly them too soon. Just because you can doesn't mean you should And for missions tank is overrated, you want dps so you can finish them asap.
In general yes, but really I would disagree here. The rattler is definitely the most low-sp-friendly of pirate BS, because its more tanky and less ganky. And yeah, tank is overrated, but not for low SP characters that don't have high DPS anyway, and definitely not for underskilled players in expensive ships. Fighting is Magic |
Janna Sway
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
53
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:12:00 -
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Schmu Efrafa wrote:Quote:Yes, you will do fine. Just pop the ewar-frigates as soon as you enter the mission and warp out and dock up if you need to recover. :) Take care of the triggers with attention, or else you might end up asking in local for help or repeat the mission the next day after downtime. :P Don't get afraid, you will not lose any ships. Just go out and approach the missions with care. You will learn a lot by doing so. Warp out if it gets hot. Better safe than sorry. Don't be ashamed to ask in local for others to run the missions together with you. People are in systems for a reason, and more often than not, the pilots in the same system follow same interests. You can make friends quickly and have a lot of fun running the missions, even if your skills are more than terrible. :) I am writing out of personal experience. :))
The training of Sentry DI and DI, both to V might feel like an eternity, but believe me, once you finish both, you will not regret a single second of waiting time. Start with Sentry DI 5 first. Gallente BS 5 is not THAT crucial. You will deal enough damage without it already, don't worry about that. Use the 35-40 days of training time for other more crucial support skills. Train Weapon upgrades IV for T2 DDA, Drone Sharpshooting V for T2 Omnidirectional tracking links, and for T2 shield tanking modules as soon as possible.
Have a lot of fun with the L4 missions and I hope you will make a lot of friends. :) thanks! thats what im doing right now.. getting rid of EWAR ships and watching triggers.. ..did all the tough L4 missions without warping out (Enemies Abound, Damsel, Blockade etc.) my shield skills are good already.. only Shield Management is still on IV.. but my tank is good enough atm. next step is Gallente & Caldari BS 4 (after Ewar Drone Interfacing 3) and then Sentry Interfacing 5 (i prefer that to DI 5 because of better range with Gardes/Bouncers T2 sentrys) DI 5 comes afterwards.. (weapon upgrades is IV, drone sharpshooting IV: im using navy omnis -> train to V soon) before Gallente/Caldari BS 5 im training to T2 Cruise Missiles (i like the idea of hopping in a Navy Scorpion or CNR from time to time) Quote:Your fit kinda depends on what rats you're fighting. Which system are you missioning in? Caldari Space.. i know about the magical rat specific tanking and damage to deal ;) cheers!
That all sounds perfect! Good luck out there! o7 :) |
Janna Sway
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
53
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:22:00 -
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Marcus Walkuris wrote:All up to you but. The optimal route would be gallente BS 4, drone interfacing 5, drone durability 3, drone sharpshooting 5 and finally sentry drone interfacing 5. Damage between faction and techII is not enough to ignore the amount of tank you get out of faction drones. Don't think that with sub-optimal skills you will get the same dps scoop/returning techII drones due to agro. It will lessen dps and also tax your ship tank more. The amount of tracking you get out of techII's are not going to bring home the dps if there isn't enough. Edit: Tracking on faction and normal drones is quite good already and most of your dps comes from wardens at the 80-40km range anyway. Which makes npc MWD right at you.
That route is not that optimal, sorry. Always Sentry Drone Interfacing V first. Drone interfacing 4 to 5 increases damage output by 11%, and the usage of Sentry drones plus the level 5 bonus has a damage increase bonus of 25%, melting through the missions like a hot knife through butter.
I personally use faction Omni's and have drone sharpshooting 5 anyway. Reason being that the navy Omni's give 5% more boni than the T2's. Better tracking always increases the DPS output, this should not be overlooked.
May I suggest you something else that I forgot, maybe consider training Jury rigging to 4 and use one large T2 Sentry drone rig with 2 T1 armor rigs. That will buff your damage noticeably. The large T2 sentry drone rigs cost around 150 million ISK. If that is affordable to you, go for it at some point. The sentry drone rigs do not stack with your 3 T2 Drone damage Amplifiers that you're gonna probably use.
With Sentry Drone Interfacing 5 and Drone Interfacing 5, and Gallente BS 4, with those T2 sentry rigs you would be around 720-750+ sentry drone damage only. Let me translate this for you, it means "THIS IS FUN AS HELL!!!!!!" ;)
You are on a good path. I wish you all the best. :)) |
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