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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:26:00 -
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Dr'MeTaL wrote:Justin Cody wrote: back under your bridge troll. Go read some back story on EVE. Gallente and Caldari are from the same star system, and were at one point the same empire until the caldari expanded secretly and went to war for their independence. They both use rails, caldari favor rails as they favor range in general.
somebody should spank you with a wet torpedo.
oh im soo sry.. let me just go fit every ship according to back story. lets all just forget about arty abbadons, smartbomb battleships, nuet domi's and every other fit that doesnt go with the backstory. and by the way. acording to the back story caldari is a military oriented race. which should make caldari ships best at combat. yet alot of them arnt. everyone knows rails suck which is why the rohk sucks. and the naga is gonna suck aswell if it remains a turret based ship. caldari's primary weapon is missles. hybrids are the secondary. like minmatar's primary is projectile and missles secondary. yet you dont see alot of missle fit minmatar ships do you. the naga and rohk are tier 3 ships. and teir 3 ships should be able to use a full rack of racial primary weapons. you are so dumb
yeah cause naga would be awesome with a torp fit ... pls dont make us so much bs , torps are nearly useless in pvp
caldari primary weapon is missiles AND rails, for matar missiles are secondary they dont have another missile ship for every projectile ship , they use missiles for additional dmg not a separate ship made only for use of missiles, like caldari railships -->their tier 3 ships uses their primary weapons aka rails
maybe even the dread should be able to fit rails with bonuses :P |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
103
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:34:00 -
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Wylee Coyote wrote:Sam Bowein wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Ahem, Hurricane is split weapons as well, along with the Rifter... No they don't. Split weapons means a bonus for 2 different weapons, not some utility high slotsGǪ Otherwise the Raven is split weapons too maybe ?? Split weapons has nothing to do with a bonus, and you obviously have no idea what a utility high slot is either.
If the Hurricane is a split-weapon ship, which it isn't, then so is the Raven. And it's pretty stupid to call the Rifter a split ship when it's sitting next to the Merlin, a proper split ship. |
Sim Cognito
Cognito Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:21:00 -
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The Naga is a useful and interesting ship with the hybrid bonuses. Finally, the Caldari have a solid hybrid platform to fly. Apart from any PG/CPU tweaks, it is a viable and generally balanced ship.
Though, in order to cater to people who also want missiles on their ship, it may be a good idea to consider adding some (say 4) missile launcher hardpoints.
- Add missile launcher hardpoints to the Naga.
- Consider increasing slightly the Naga's Powergrid and CPU.
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Phantomania
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
8
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:39:00 -
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If I had huge amount of SP in Hybrids and Gunnery, I too would be quick to slate every attempt to make the Naga Layout fair for ALL those missile focused pilots!
Why wouldn't I, I will have a Brand New Caldari and a Brand New Gallente Tier3 BC to play with this winter!
I mean, it would be waaaay to dificult to fix Missiles and give the Naga the right bonus's to be a decent missile boat!
....wait for all the negative comments by the Hybrid Lovers! |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
96
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:44:00 -
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There is a reason you don't see torpedo ravens in pvp.
That is why the Naga would fail as a torpedo ship, and why it was GLARINGLY terrible on SISI.
Oh, its nobody's fault but your own that you ignored a race's other primary weapon system. You must have a great work ethic.
Too many here upset that they didn't get a ship that they would end up using. I remember the same hate when the Rokh was released. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
96
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:47:00 -
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Phantomania wrote:If I had huge amount of SP in Hybrids and Gunnery, I too would be quick to slate every attempt to make the Naga Layout fair for ALL those missile focused pilots! Why wouldn't I, I will have a Brand New Caldari and a Brand New Gallente Tier3 BC to play with this winter! I mean, it would be waaaay to dificult to fix Missiles and give the Naga the right bonus's to be a decent missile boat! ....wait for all the negative comments by the Hybrid Lovers! Idiot. The Talos is armor tanked, the Naga is shield tanked. They have separate bonuses and are flown completely separately. You know nothing about hybrids if you think they are close just because they share the same ammunition. |
Phantomania
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
8
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:08:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Phantomania wrote:If I had huge amount of SP in Hybrids and Gunnery, I too would be quick to slate every attempt to make the Naga Layout fair for ALL those missile focused pilots! Why wouldn't I, I will have a Brand New Caldari and a Brand New Gallente Tier3 BC to play with this winter! I mean, it would be waaaay to dificult to fix Missiles and give the Naga the right bonus's to be a decent missile boat! ....wait for all the negative comments by the Hybrid Lovers! Idiot. The Talos is armor tanked, the Naga is shield tanked. They have separate bonuses and are flown completely separately. You know nothing about hybrids if you think they are close just because they share the same ammunition.
Haha, I knew YOU would have something to say about it, Vincent. You must live on this thread!
I know, you're milkin your panties at the prospect of 2 New Hybrid Boats!
Oh, just wanted to say those Top Gun glasses really suit you, no, really!
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Yankunytjatjara
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.11.16 13:27:00 -
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After sleeping on it, I confirm my thoughts: keep the 8 launchers and the fitting bonus, then the naga is cool.
All other caldari hybrid ships have a mixed weapons option, keep it on the naga too! |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2011.11.16 13:40:00 -
[609] - Quote
Yankunytjatjara wrote:After sleeping on it, I confirm my thoughts: keep the 8 launchers and the fitting bonus, then the naga is cool.
All other caldari hybrid ships have a mixed weapons option, keep it on the naga too!
My thoughts exactly, keep the hybrid bonuses, but add the launcher hardpoints to open versality.
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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.11.16 13:58:00 -
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Talos seems to have it's Drone bay back on sisi.
Just a little more CPU now please. Take it to 480 please. |
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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:33:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Sam Bowein wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Ahem, Hurricane is split weapons as well, along with the Rifter... No they don't. Split weapons means a bonus for 2 different weapons, not some utility high slotsGǪ Otherwise the Raven is split weapons too maybe ?? Split weapons has nothing to do with a bonus, and you obviously have no idea what a utility high slot is either. If the Hurricane is a split-weapon ship, which it isn't, then so is the Raven. And it's pretty stupid to call the Rifter a split ship when it's sitting next to the Merlin, a proper split ship.
Show me how to fit a either a hurricane or a rifter with the same weapon system in all the highs please.
What's that? You can't?
You can however fill all the highs with both turrets and launchers? Well what do ya know!? The highs are split between two different weapon systems, however so unlike a ship like the punisher, the retribution or the drake for instance... |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
19
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:53:00 -
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dgastuffz wrote:ok if you make the naga a turrent boat lets say make the Oracle a missile ship sounds fair to me
i would be happy with this ;)
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
103
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:00:00 -
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Wylee Coyote wrote:Show me how to fit a either a hurricane or a rifter with the same weapon system in all the highs please. No, smartbombs do not count. What's that? You can't? You can however fill all the highs with both turrets and launchers? Well what do ya know!? The highs are split between two different weapon systems, however so unlike a ship like the punisher, the retribution or the drake for instance...
But not unlike the Raven. Are you seriously trying to tell me that the Raven is a split weapon ship? |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
19
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:07:00 -
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Let's look at the full tier of all 4 races BC's bonuses
Amarr
Prophecy: Capacitor Use / Armor Resist Harbinger: Capactior Use / Laser Damage Oracle : Capacitor Use / Laser Damage
Caldari
Ferox: Hybrid Range, Shield Resist Drake: Missle Damage, Shield Resist Naga: Hybrid Range, Hybrid Damage
Gallente:
Brutix: Hybrid Damage / Armor Rep bonus Myrmidon: Drone Damage / Armor Rep Talos: Hybrid Damage / Hybrid Tracking
Minmatar
Cyclone: Projectiles ROF / Shield Boost bonus Hurricane: Projectile ROF / Projectile Damage Tornado: Projectile ROF / Projectile Falloff
So Caldari have two BC with range bonuses geared toward railguns? Maybe the Naga isn't the problem. I fly the cyclone, brutix, and even the prophecy to great effect situationally... maybe the answer is to change the Ferox bonuses if they won't budge on the Naga?
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Packlid
Galactic Extensive Technologies SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:23:00 -
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So this is yet another example of CCP listening to the whining griping PVP masses.
I just left the test server and i can't fit launchers on any of the new tier 3 cruisers. So we now have 2 blaster/rail ships one arty and one laser boat. and ZERO launcher ships!!?? WTF!!?? |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:51:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Wylee Coyote wrote:Show me how to fit a either a hurricane or a rifter with the same weapon system in all the highs please. No, smartbombs do not count. What's that? You can't? You can however fill all the highs with both turrets and launchers? Well what do ya know!? The highs are split between two different weapon systems, however so unlike a ship like the punisher, the retribution or the drake for instance... But not unlike the Raven. Are you seriously trying to tell me that the Raven is a split weapon ship? Oh and the Scorpion. And the Ferox. And the Moa. Etc...
Wylee Coyote wrote:The highs are split between two different weapon systems
You are confusing whether the ship a split weapon systems ship with whether the both the ship's weapons systems are or even should be used. |
Nemesor
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
38
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Posted - 2011.11.16 17:51:00 -
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Packlid wrote:So this is yet another example of CCP listening to the whining griping PVP masses.
I just left the test server and i can't fit launchers on any of the new tier 3 cruisers. So we now have 2 blaster/rail ships one arty and one laser boat. and ZERO launcher ships!!?? WTF!!??
They should have made the Oracle a nice missile boat like the Sacri.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
107
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Posted - 2011.11.16 17:55:00 -
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Packlid wrote:So this is yet another example of CCP listening to the whining griping PVP masses.
I just left the test server and i can't fit launchers on any of the new tier 3 cruisers. So we now have 2 blaster/rail ships one arty and one laser boat. and ZERO launcher ships!!?? WTF!!?? This is not a PvE ship.
You have an armor tanked laser ship You have a shield tanked arty ship You have a shield tanked rail ship You have an armor tanked blaster/drone ship
They are ALL different, and lumping blasters/rails together is just stupid. They use the same T1 ammo but that's it.
It's hybrid ammo, not hybrid weapons. |
Phantomania
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
9
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:12:00 -
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Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!
Missile Pilots want Equality!
Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!
/signed |
The Underdark
Serenity A.E. Shades of Gray
5
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:20:00 -
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Phantomania wrote:
Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!
Missile Pilots want Equality!
Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!
/signed
where is this petition? |
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Phantomania
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
10
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:24:00 -
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The Underdark wrote:Phantomania wrote:
Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!
Missile Pilots want Equality!
Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!
/signed
where is this petition?
here, Quote and /sign it! |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
103
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:27:00 -
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Phantomania wrote:The Underdark wrote:Phantomania wrote:
Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!
Missile Pilots want Equality!
Oracle needs a 100% laser Turret NERF! Oracle needs missile bonuses!
/signed
where is this petition? here, Quote and /sign it!
Frickin' signed! |
Doogan Yanumano
Black Dragon Kabal
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:36:00 -
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Signed!
Give us our Missiles!!!
The Caldari Prayer:
Our missiles, who art in launchers Hallowed be thy payload Thy warhead come Our enemies be done In low sec As it is in Empire Give us this day Our daily ISK And forgive us our WCS's But we won't forgive those that use them against us And lead us not into bubbles, But deliver us from scramblers For thine is the thermal, The explosive, And the kinetic EM |
Dr Sodius
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:43:00 -
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stop acting like little childs... the stupidity is strong in the last 3 pages... especially if carebears like you, who want to make missions with the new bc's, coming here and say: "i dont get a shiny new toy this winter, i demand equality".....
the naga stays with hybrids and thats it!
learn hybrids or GTFO & HFTU |
Eva Blacklist
Tax Free Corporation II
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:45:00 -
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No missiles launchers on the Naga.
Thanks for ruining the expansion for me.
You suck.
For ****'s sake... /sighed |
Phantomania
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
10
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:47:00 -
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Dr Sodius wrote:stop acting like little childs... the stupidity is strong in the last 3 pages... especially if carebears like you, who want to make missions with the new bc's, coming here and say: "i dont get a shiny new toy this winter, i demand equality".....
the naga stays with hybrids and thats it!
learn hybrids or GTFO & HFTU
does that mean you sign the petition?
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OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
2
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:50:00 -
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spawx wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:Here is the latest update on these ships: NAGA
- Missile role removed, now focuses as a hybrid platform
- 10% Torpedo velocity per level swapped for 5% to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level
As pointed out, even with the velocity bonus, torpedoes have a too short of a range to be useful in practical situation with the Naga since it has the lowest mobility of all tier 3 battlecruisers and quite poor defensive options. Aligning this ship into a missile platform would have required a long range option as well, meaning the use of cruise missiles, which created a certain number of issues. Specializing for a hybrid long range platform made more sense with the Naga role, which is why the damage bonus was appealing, especially when combined with CCP Tallest changes; it also makes more sense regarding Caldari tier philosophy, where highest tech 1 tiers usually are hybrid platforms (Merlin, Moa, Rokh). TALOS
- 25m3 dronebay and bandwidth added
Even if quite in opposition with the tier 3 battlecruiser role design, it adds an edge this ship needs over the other variants, especially since the Naga now it does the same damage with Hybrids. So, while we are looking at the blaster situation, we agreed giving the Talos a bit more survability against smaller threats was a good compromise for the time being. TORNADO
- Large Projectile Turret Falloff reduced from 10 to 5% per level
The reason for this reduction was mainly due to the range falloff reaches on autocannons when combined with the proper rigs, Barrage and Tracking Enchancers, dwarfing blasters in the close range department; we will see how the situation evolves and possibly make further changes to compensate. Also, please note some small powergrid/CPU changes may happen to the tier 3 battlecruisers in the next build. Thanks for your time. >NAGA Screw this, i want missiles not some cheapass Hyrbid **** noone even wants to train for. most caldari ppl have focused their training on missiles and now on this (and all other non-used Hybrid caldari ships) we are required to train a whole other set of skills to fly it? I am disapointed that CCP thinks Caldari shuld roll with Hybrids, how come the Tornado didnt get missiles since typhoon uses it ? same **** as you ******* us over as if you did that to the minmatar ship. Ty for ruining this great looking ship -.-
+1
This Naga is not a new toy for Caldari, it's a second new toy for Gallente. CCP, this is not freaking difficult. If you can add massive bonuses to hybrids you can add them to torpedo and cruise missiles. And if, in doing so, you discover the REASON no one currently uses Caldari BS's in PvP so what. |
Gempei
Siberian Khatru.
10
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:51:00 -
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Phantomania wrote:Make it fair!...Make it Missiles! I am Caldari, most skills in missiles, but torpeda Naga is unusable ship, calm down, do no spam chats, thanks!
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Phantomania
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
10
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:56:00 -
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Gempei wrote:Phantomania wrote:Make it fair!...Make it Missiles! I am Caldari, most skills in missiles, but torpeda Naga is unusable ship, calm down, do no spam chats, thanks!
meh, cruise missiles or some fixed bonus's for torps, it'll be nice!
So, can I put you down as signed?
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Morgan North
The Wild Bunch Electus Matari
5
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:01:00 -
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/signed just for variety (Eve needs variety, even if nobody uses the Naga with torps in pvp) |
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