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Linir Kion
Adlatus Exitus
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:01:00 -
[631] - Quote
Phantomania wrote:
Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!
Missile Pilots want Equality!
Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!
/signed
/signed |
tika te
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:02:00 -
[632] - Quote
naga is now a better blasterboat than talos!
i don't see any point where 25m-¦ drones will improve talos in any way in its role as a blasterboat.
just a tought: drop the currendt naga/talos nonsense.. make talos a really good rail gunship..a tornado counterpart for gallente pilots - with it's paperthin tank it will never be a blasterboat unless it's a gallente-bc companion of the vagabond (fast and agile as hell to make up for the paperthin tank - which most probably will never happen)
make naga a dedicated missile boat - either with bonuses making torpedos a viable choice or a cruise missle boat.. tbh, i never understood why caldari use railguns at all, at least not as a main wepon system...
ccp, listen to your players on this one! - just check the loads of posts in this thread. i'm sure there is lotsof REALLISTIC input there.. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:03:00 -
[633] - Quote
dumb carebears.... |
Gempei
Siberian Khatru.
11
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:08:00 -
[634] - Quote
Phantomania wrote:So, can I put you down as signed? No, I am happy have reason to train hybrids for caldari ships. We do not need another pve ship...
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Zeronic
Zero Core Labs United Abominations
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:11:00 -
[635] - Quote
/signed
Overall we need a good Torp Boat, I was so disappointed to find the launcher hardpoints removed from the Naga
And since we are on the subject of CCP not listen to it's playerbase. DOWN with POCO! |
Moraldor Mantras
Adlatus Exitus
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:14:00 -
[636] - Quote
Phantomania wrote:
Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!
Missile Pilots want Equality!
Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!
/signed
/signed
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OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:16:00 -
[637] - Quote
Phantomania wrote:
Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!
Missile Pilots want Equality!
Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!
/signed
/signed
Also, I think the T3 mini and armarr BCs should fit only missiles and the gallente one only drones. Because, that totally makes sense.
The real reason they said screw it on torpedos is that missiles have serious issues which they are not interested in fixing.
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Justin Cody
T.A.L.O.N. Company Psychotic Tendencies.
14
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:19:00 -
[638] - Quote
Fioda Skiza wrote:All the Caldari players who will suddenly realize after the expansion that they did NOT get a new ship to fly.. I seriously think that you don't want that situation. Give them a decent torpedo boat before it's too late.
you are too young of a char to understand how much this rail buff is needed |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
107
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:20:00 -
[639] - Quote
Phantomania wrote:Gempei wrote:Phantomania wrote:Make it fair!...Make it Missiles! I am Caldari, most skills in missiles, but torpeda Naga is unusable ship, calm down, do no spam chats, thanks! meh, cruise missiles or some fixed bonus's for torps, it'll be nice! So, can I put you down as signed?
Sure, have a cruise Naga.. however you need to have an explosion velocity and radius penalty of about -60% But then you'll cry that your ship is completely worthless. |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:21:00 -
[640] - Quote
Keep the Naga as is, just add two bonuses for torps and missile hardpoints.
Problem solved. |
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Jaak ONeill
Stargate Kommand
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:44:00 -
[641] - Quote
OT Smithers wrote:Phantomania wrote:
Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!
Missile Pilots want Equality!
Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!
/signed
/signed Also, I think the T3 mini and armarr BCs should fit only missiles and the gallente one only drones. Because, that totally makes sense. The real reason they said screw it on torpedos is that missiles have serious issues which they are not interested in fixing.
i agree; but why is it that caldari should use hybrids of all guns; gallente ships r gona b like vagabonds but not caldari ships. ok i understand where the whole war began and prolly the hybrids come from there but what about the amarr in all the story; the benefit from missiles and caldari dont benefit from lasers? all the top end ships r caldari uses hybrids and thats why they fail coz they get bonuses to not damage, not tracking but optimal range? so no blaster option; come on ccp start being serious
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
107
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:04:00 -
[642] - Quote
Jaak ONeill wrote: i agree; but why is it that caldari should use hybrids of all guns; gallente ships r gona b like vagabonds but not caldari ships. ok i understand where the whole war began and prolly the hybrids come from there but what about the amarr in all the story; the benefit from missiles and caldari dont benefit from lasers? all the top end ships r caldari uses hybrids and thats why they fail coz they get bonuses to not damage, not tracking but optimal range? so no blaster option; come on ccp start being serious
Can someone translate this into english? |
Mapets
Combinatul Chimic ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:07:00 -
[643] - Quote
33 pages alwready 25 are about the Naga
Till the testing is over can we have the oportunity pls of testing it with these bonuses:
-role bonus-ability to fit cruise missile and torp launchers
-BC skill-10% bonus to cruise and torp missile velovity and 5% kin missile dmg (or rof) /bc skill lvl
, should smwhat be the point of testing on the test srv no ? Test out more options and analize the feedback on the variants....
Do not limit the bonuses to torps tho !! the oracle is not limited to pulses , can also fit tachions ! And minie thing can also fit both wep sistems ! Make it missile boat not torp only :p |
i hatechosingnames
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:09:00 -
[644] - Quote
How about have the Naga fit damage bonused Cruise missiles but give it penalties to the missiles flight time so they can't outrange everything.
I can hit to 220km in a Raven for 450 dps with cruises I can hit to 35km in a Raven for 810 dps with torps, Let the Naga hit out to a max of 100km for 600 dps (Drake can hit to 65km for 400 dps) |
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:15:00 -
[645] - Quote
Naomi Knight wrote:dumb carebears....
Your killboard is not exactly impressive there princess. |
Whiteknight03
WESAYSO Industries
16
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:17:00 -
[646] - Quote
I was hoping to be able to finally fly an interesting torpedo boat this winter. Guess I'm going to have find something else to do. |
Bloutok
Murientor Tribe
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:19:00 -
[647] - Quote
+1
I love missiles. give me missiles. MORE. |
Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
10
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:29:00 -
[648] - Quote
Naga, - Hybrid & EWAR platform? Perhaps a few midslot ECM modules instead of MSE/Mag-stab buffer... and a flight or two of ewar drones? |
Allaera
Avatar Dynasty RED.Legion
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:00:00 -
[649] - Quote
Phantomania wrote:
Its OK, a petition is being passed around atm.
Make it fair!...Make it Missiles!
Missile Pilots want Equality!
Naga needs a 100% Hybrid Turret NERF!
/signed
No, I bloody will not sign it. It's high time Caldari got a useful turret boat!!
Thank you CCP for giving the Naga an identity, not some fail Drake trying to be a Raven (we all know how effective PvP Ravens are right? )
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Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
179
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:09:00 -
[650] - Quote
Thank you CCP for not making the Naga a missile boat... missiles are worthless in pvp, and if you put missiles on the Naga it still wouldnt compete with the Tengu, Drake, or Raven in the area of pve. Keep it as is on sisi with the hybrids.... even though hybrids will still need a greater buff than what theyre getting before they can compete with projectiles/lasers. |
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Kalot Sakaar
CragCO
18
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:22:00 -
[651] - Quote
Am I looking at the blueprints wrong? Or is the Talos, easily the worst, is also the most expensive of the 4 ships (material requirements based.) The one that has to commit to every fight and surely get lost more times than not? I've never understood why Gallente ships are the most expensive when they are the most likely to be lost in PVP due to their in close fighting requirement. Silly. No wonder they are hardly flown. All this complaining about the Naga just points to how many Drake pilots are out there and want to transfer their missile skills to the Naga.
I have to agree. Give them their missles, and re-do the Talos for rails vice blasters. Or, if its going to be a fail blaster boat then at least make it the cheapest. |
Vile Adventurer
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:29:00 -
[652] - Quote
Even though I`m very new to this game... /signed
I would sacrifice my soul to fly this if it were a missile boat! It is soooo sexy ;) |
Exodus 4D
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:06:00 -
[653] - Quote
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/66ht-3e-07e1.jpg
- Some Lights from the back are also visible on the other ship side :) |
Apex Bex
Sleeping Dogs Awake
4
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:45:00 -
[654] - Quote
/signed.
The Caldari Hybrid boats are amongst the least flown in the game, often seeing ships like the Rokh reduced to having a full bank of Miner II's or smartbombs. I'm quite certain we'll see plenty of Naga's in HiSec asteroid belts very soon, either ganking with blasters or mining the rocks.
I tested the Naga on Sisi and it was severely gimped when fitted with Siege II's. Fitting any sort of meaningful tank or prop mod was almost impossible and cost you way too much in the way of damage mods to be effective. Moreover, the range limitations compared to its' counterparts meant it would have very limited survivability in a fleet engagement. However, that doesn't mean you just discard the idea. You ramp up the PG and CPU or change the fitting bonuses slightly.
It can be done, no question about it. I just can't figure out if it's apathy or outright laziness that got in the way. |
I'm Down
Bad Teachers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:46:00 -
[655] - Quote
The real issue with the Caldari rail boat that people gripe about is that the gallente already have one. The issue I see is not quite as much about caldari as it is about rail gallente. A while back I posted this idea, but I'm going to refine it a bit:
Talos:
600 drone bay,
8 high slots, 4 turret points 4 mids 5 lows
10% to Sentry drone Optimal, tracking, and control range per level 40% to Sentry drone damage per level
This makes it a highly unique glass cannon concept because it maintains mobility, and boost it's skills with a very limited drone selection. The ship is going to be utter **** with any drones beyond sentries. It gets a larger than normal drone bay to help cope with losing drones. Fittings are going to limit it's neuting ability to medium only and tank is going to be very weak with only 5 lows and limited base armor and powergrid. This makes it highly unique, even to the drone boat platform, and very weak. Because it's sentry drones, frigates and most cruisers can still get in under the tracking limits, while BC and BS are going to be very succeptable.
As for the Naga, I want to repost this because it sorta got lost earlier. Again, the premise is to make this tier of BC highly unique within the game, thereby changing dynamics up a bit from the old conventional wisdom.
I'm Down wrote:Why not just give the Naga a 20% Railgun only range bonus per level and added lock range. If you still feel it needs a 2nd bonus, make it a bonus to tracking computer effectiveness so that It can boost it's tracking effectiveness greatly, but at the cost of any remaining tanking ability.
This allows it to hit at about 90 km with solid dps and tracking, or higher range with crap tracking, but even more glass cannon problems since it can't fit it's mids with shield extenders.
In a way, it becomes a glass cannon form of the pulse apoc with high tracking and dps at good mid range. This boost it's alpha ability and makes it the king of ranged dps, but even more highly susceptible to close range ships. |
The Underdark
Serenity A.E. Shades of Gray
5
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:16:00 -
[656] - Quote
I mean you no offense but a glass cannon drone boat, is a rather terrible idea. it would need massive massive buff's to get anywhere near the damage potential as the other tier 3's, not to mention no longer be an oversized weapons platform as intended.
it could very easily be converted to be an anti-small ship vessel with speed and tank and just amazing amounts of light and medium drones as well. |
Dr'MeTaL
New Eden Regimental Navy Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:19:00 -
[657] - Quote
i really dont get why everyone wants to ruin the naga so badly. forget about the whats the primary caldari weapon( which is missles not rails.) dps on the naga with rails is 535 with meta 4 guns and thats with anitmatter. (rails suck and i wont train t2). meta 4 torps run something like 640 if i remember correctly. so torps would fit better for the role of the ship. with rails i cant ever fit hardeners without going unstable, so forget about sig tanking with an afterburner. a single nuet will shut off the guns and tank then its dead.
honestly i dont see what problem there is with torps. range shouldnt be an issue considering the talos has what 10k range? if range is such an issue why not buff the blasters for the talos.
and holy crap.. alot of you saying you want rails arnt even caldari toons.
and let me put this stupid "rails are caldari primary" thought to rest.
i started as caldari. what did i train for? MISSILES. the caldari t3, what does it use? MISSILES. Sure ONE of the subsytems allows for the use of turrets, but how many use it? almost no one. why does the moa ferrox and rohk suck? cause they dont use MISSILES.
honestly where these new bc's supposed sniper ships? NO they are supposed to be high dps low tank gank ships. i dont care how much of a buff rails have gotten they will always suck becuase at long range you cant make your traget stay there. thats why all sniper ships suck.
rails make the naga suck. plain and simple. no one will use it, short of retards that wanna snipe from 200k and never get a single kill. |
Nemesor
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
39
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:24:00 -
[658] - Quote
Dr'MeTaL wrote:i i started as caldari. what did i train for? MISSILES. the caldari t3, what does it use? MISSILES. Sure ONE of the subsytems allows for the use of turrets, but how many use it? almost no one. why does the moa ferrox and rohk suck?
Because Rails are broken.
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spawx
Reaver Technologies Broken Chains Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:24:00 -
[659] - Quote
I'm Down wrote:The real issue with the Caldari rail boat that people gripe about is that the gallente already have one. The issue I see is not quite as much about caldari as it is about rail gallente. A while back I posted this idea, but I'm going to refine it a bit: Talos: 600 drone bay, 8 high slots, 4 turret points 4 mids 5 lows 10% to Sentry drone Optimal, tracking, and control range per level 40% to Sentry drone damage per level This makes it a highly unique glass cannon concept because it maintains mobility, and boost it's skills with a very limited drone selection. The ship is going to be utter **** with any drones beyond sentries. It gets a larger than normal drone bay to help cope with losing drones. Fittings are going to limit it's neuting ability to medium only and tank is going to be very weak with only 5 lows and limited base armor and powergrid. This makes it highly unique, even to the drone boat platform, and very weak. Because it's sentry drones, frigates and most cruisers can still get in under the tracking limits, while BC and BS are going to be very succeptable. As for the Naga, I want to repost this because it sorta got lost earlier. Again, the premise is to make this tier of BC highly unique within the game, thereby changing dynamics up a bit from the old conventional wisdom. I'm Down wrote:Why not just give the Naga a 20% Railgun only range bonus per level and added lock range. If you still feel it needs a 2nd bonus, make it a bonus to tracking computer effectiveness so that It can boost it's tracking effectiveness greatly, but at the cost of any remaining tanking ability.
This allows it to hit at about 90 km with solid dps and tracking, or higher range with crap tracking, but even more glass cannon problems since it can't fit it's mids with shield extenders.
In a way, it becomes a glass cannon form of the pulse apoc with high tracking and dps at good mid range. This boost it's alpha ability and makes it the king of ranged dps, but even more highly susceptible to close range ships.
ehh you mad? 40% dmg per lvl? do you know how much dps that would be on those sentries ? 200% bonus at lvl 5 which would make them rip thru anything.. also the tracking on them aint bad so they can hit pretty much everything too not only BSes and BCs. Garde T2 has 60 dps at all lvl 5 skills. 60 x 3.0 = 180 dps on 1 drone. you will have 5, 900 dps, also sentry drone dmg rigs (10% dmg bonus per rig) and it can hit stuff down to frig/cruiser ?... ( 60 x 3.3 = 198 x 5 = 990 dps with rigs)
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spawx
Reaver Technologies Broken Chains Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 23:26:00 -
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Dr'MeTaL wrote:i really dont get why everyone wants to ruin the naga so badly. forget about the whats the primary caldari weapon( which is missles not rails.) dps on the naga with rails is 535 with meta 4 guns and thats with anitmatter. (rails suck and i wont train t2). meta 4 torps run something like 640 if i remember correctly. so torps would fit better for the role of the ship. with rails i cant ever fit hardeners without going unstable, so forget about sig tanking with an afterburner. a single nuet will shut off the guns and tank then its dead.
honestly i dont see what problem there is with torps. range shouldnt be an issue considering the talos has what 10k range? if range is such an issue why not buff the blasters for the talos.
and holy crap.. alot of you saying you want rails arnt even caldari toons.
and let me put this stupid "rails are caldari primary" thought to rest.
i started as caldari. what did i train for? MISSILES. the caldari t3, what does it use? MISSILES. Sure ONE of the subsytems allows for the use of turrets, but how many use it? almost no one. why does the moa ferrox and rohk suck? cause they dont use MISSILES.
honestly where these new bc's supposed sniper ships? NO they are supposed to be high dps low tank gank ships. i dont care how much of a buff rails have gotten they will always suck becuase at long range you cant make your traget stay there. thats why all sniper ships suck.
rails make the naga suck. plain and simple. no one will use it, short of retards that wanna snipe from 200k and never get a single kill.
Remember torps fly slow so if your target is flying away from you the range wil be even less. |
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