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Dax Redding
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:38:00 -
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Hopefully im not the only one who thinks the Rokh is useless. In fact, in the T1 Battleship class I think Caldari is poor compared to others.
If you look at the other Races, they all have a selection of good Battleships.
The Caldari have the Raven as a pvp ship and 2 support ships in the Scorpion and Rokh. The Rokh just isnt good in combat considering its price tag which is around the same as the Abbadon.
Caldari pilots basically have to pay for a Navy Ship, or even a T2 ship to match up with the other races T1 Ships. I dont know how my opinion on this will be met, but all I want is for CCP to SAVE THE ROKH!
Id suggest Buffing the Rokh as a sniper and introducting a T2 or Navy Rokh that bonus's towards blasters. That would seriously boost Caldari hybrid usage, because as it stands, its useless. |
MichaelWest
Alloy Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:04:00 -
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Dax Redding wrote:
Id suggest Buffing the Rokh as a sniper and introducting a T2 or Navy Rokh that bonus's towards blasters. That would seriously boost Caldari hybrid usage, because as it stands, its useless.
I was under the impression that the Rokh was already boosted/treated as a sniper? |
Sat Nav
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:42:00 -
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The Rokhtopus is win, surely? 8 Miner II's? What's not to like?
And it's rather good as a smart bomb platform, from what I saw last night.
Niche perhaps, but definitely useful. |
Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:49:00 -
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Rokh is great with buffer, neuts, and autos. |
Dax Redding
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:56:00 -
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Arthur Frayn wrote:Rokh is great with buffer, neuts, and autos.
Is it too much to ask for a ship to be good at what it was designed to use though? lol |
Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:06:00 -
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Dax Redding wrote:Arthur Frayn wrote:Rokh is great with buffer, neuts, and autos. Is it too much to ask for a ship to be good at what it was designed to use though? lol
Rokh is great at what it was designed to use. Antimatter with an optimal of 100+ km with rails is pretty damn good. Unfortunately it was designed to do something that has no modern tactical value. |
Gazmin VanBurin
Go Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:12:00 -
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The rokh needs to lose a low slot and gain a mid, that might make it via le at pvp |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:25:00 -
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The Rokh is one ship that suffers with the current probing/warp mechanics, so the long range sniping role it's designed for doesn't exist. |
Songbird
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:39:00 -
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The new T2 high damage ammo for rails will have 25% tracking bonus. On top of that all hybrids get 10%? more damage and lesser fitting requirements .
It is a hybrid ship - hybrids are getting buffed - rokh is getting a buff together with all the other hybrid ships. |
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:06:00 -
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You guys inability to adapt this ship to the current situation is pathetic and thus you people have no place in eve the rokh is a great ship as is your just to stupid to see it.
T2 neutrons with null gives you a good 40km of shooty shooty room before you start hitting double falloff and things get iffy or you can have good range and damage with antimatter
along with a decent tank to boot and a MWD
What more could a person want
Oh wait eve whingers today everything must suit them to the letter with no way to adapt so they die and cry |
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:22:00 -
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:You guys inability to adapt this ship to the current situation is pathetic and thus you people have no place in eve the rokh is a great ship as is your just to stupid to see it.
T2 neutrons with null gives you a good 40km of shooty shooty room before you start hitting double falloff and things get iffy or you can have good range and damage with antimatter
along with a decent tank to boot and a MWD
What more could a person want
Oh wait eve whingers today everything must suit them to the letter with no way to adapt so they die and cry you as a ****** **** doesnt fail us ,thx dumby |
river Zateki
Dutch Squad Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:10:00 -
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:You guys inability to adapt this ship to the current situation is pathetic and thus you people have no place in eve the rokh is a great ship as is your just to stupid to see it.
T2 neutrons with null gives you a good 40km of shooty shooty room before you start hitting double falloff and things get iffy or you can have good range and damage with antimatter
along with a decent tank to boot and a MWD
What more could a person want
Oh wait eve whingers today everything must suit them to the letter with no way to adapt so they die and cry
As rude as this person is, he is right. If you aren't fitting the biggest baddest blasters on it with a MWD, then your doing it wrong.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.11.05 02:06:00 -
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:You guys inability to adapt this ship to the current situation is pathetic and thus you people have no place in eve the rokh is a great ship as is your just to stupid to see it.
T2 neutrons with null gives you a good 40km of shooty shooty room before you start hitting double falloff and things get iffy or you can have good range and damage with antimatter
along with a decent tank to boot and a MWD
What more could a person want ?
A scorch Abaddon? |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.05 02:26:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:You guys inability to adapt this ship to the current situation is pathetic and thus you people have no place in eve the rokh is a great ship as is your just to stupid to see it.
T2 neutrons with null gives you a good 40km of shooty shooty room before you start hitting double falloff and things get iffy or you can have good range and damage with antimatter
along with a decent tank to boot and a MWD
What more could a person want ? A scorch Abaddon?
Yeah no kidding.
Optimal range bonus doesn't solve hybrid issues. Who thought this **** up?
More range on blasters with no damage bonus and you may as well fly Amarr.
More range on rails is just redundant. Lacking both damage and tracking bonus with rails is just silly. I'd rather have a sniperthron. Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.05 02:57:00 -
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CRY MORE LITTLE WINGING CAREBEARS CRY MOAR
MOAR I SAY |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.05 03:00:00 -
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:CRY MORE LITTLE WINGING CAREBEARS CRY MOAR
MOAR I SAY
What does "WINGING" mean in that sentence?
Because I don't think that word means what you think it means, regardless. Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.11.05 03:06:00 -
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Desudes wrote:What does "WINGING" mean in that sentence?
Because I don't think that word means what you think it means, regardless.
This. |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.05 03:10:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Desudes wrote:What does "WINGING" mean in that sentence?
Because I don't think that word means what you think it means, regardless. This.
Thanks.
I suppose it'd be to much to ask for people to spell things right. Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:21:00 -
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Desudes wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Desudes wrote:What does "WINGING" mean in that sentence?
Because I don't think that word means what you think it means, regardless. This. Thanks. I suppose it'd be [IRONY] to [/IRONY] much to ask for people to spell things right.
Just thought I'd point out something... |
Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services The Irukandji
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:34:00 -
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I never really understood why the Rokh demanded such a high price tag. I'd speculate it's simply because the mineral requirements of the Tier 3 battleships are larger in quantity.
But I love the CONCEPT of the Rokh. In reality, it's sad because many other ships are used in lieu of it because they can do the job better (more dps, better tracking, higher speed etc).
Being able to field a Blokh, FINALLY, would make me happy on levels most players wouldn't understand. I mean, the nickname rocks. It's a Rokh. With blasters. Which might work, finally.
I have my fingers crossed. I love this ship and want it to have its time in the sun(s) of Eve. |
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Conor Todaki
Solo is Dead
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Posted - 2011.11.05 20:42:00 -
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I think you're forgetting that you can't. stop. the Rokh. Can't, stop the Rokh, you can't. stop. the Rokh. |
Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.05 21:02:00 -
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Conor Todaki wrote:I think you're forgetting that you can't. stop. the Rokh. Can't, stop the Rokh, you can't. stop. the Rokh.
It's pathetic cap life does that for you though.
(And the reduction in hybrid cap use doesn't allay this either) |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2011.11.06 15:47:00 -
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Hybrid guns on a Rokh? I thought it was a mining boat |
Dr Sodius
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.06 17:14:00 -
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i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch this video... then come back and tell us what you saw |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2011.11.06 17:18:00 -
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"Saving" it would imply that it wasn't completey dead before it was even born. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.06 17:35:00 -
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Dr Sodius wrote:i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch this video... then come back and tell us what you saw So it makes an Ok Slow, Short Range, Half Drone Bay, less DPS, Fixed Damage Type Active Maelstrom that can kill folks who sit in it's Web Range.
Great for a Long Range Battleship. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:27:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Dr Sodius wrote:i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch this video... then come back and tell us what you saw So it makes an Ok Slow, Short Range, Half Drone Bay, less DPS, Fixed Damage Type Active Maelstrom that can kill folks who sit in it's Web Range. Great for a Long Range Battleship. :) missed the runs out of cap part |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:44:00 -
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I'd swap that range bonus for a 5% rof bonus. To be honest, I'm reaching the conclusion that it would be the right decision to make for all the caldari range boosted hybrid ships. |
Desudes
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:26:00 -
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Dr Sodius wrote:i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch video... then come back and tell us what you saw
I saw an ugly brick doing **** damage compared to a megathron. A bit more durable I guess? And I think he's also MWDless...
I'd rather have a 7 neutron 1 neut mega in a fleet, thats for sure.
Katabrok First wrote:I'd swap that range bonus for a 5% rof bonus. To be honest, I'm reaching the conclusion that it would be the right decision to make for all the caldari range boosted hybrid ships.
The only problem with this is you'd kill your cap that much faster, which is no bueno when you think about how cap intensive shield tanking is. Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:42:00 -
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rokh has renge and crap dps....use the range to your advantagee. FC sees a fleet of 100 pests and 5 rokhs, guess whose optimal + falloff he will use when calling that fleet warp in? Thats right, the pests., Add a bunch of km's to the warp in and run ammo meant for range. Voila.....all the minatards are now your meat shields. In a lr vs lr fleet more oftnet than not, all the short range bs' will be slugging it out. Your rokh out a bit further takes less damage, if any.
This is how rokhs can out damage other bs'. An arty boat is an alpha monster.....but if it goes boom in less than 60 secodns the rokh can catch up living much longer.
Rokhs best edge is if you land it right, only rokhs can kill it. Because of the range they share. Enemy pests can try....they will have to close first to get range. When they close, they get closer to that max damage of optimal minimal falloff of your pests.
Now some cap love, yeah this boat needs it. You average fleet fit will have this sebo'd out with an invul with cap drainnig ammo. got the wrong end of the stick there really since armour tankers get EANM, a nice passive all in one resist. A few gj is few gj to me....be nice to have them if one day ccp would grant us a passive all in one shield resist.
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