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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:12:00 -
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From the creator of such threads as "Nerf Dodixie" and "Nerf Disco" comes another thread guaranteed to make you realise that the old ways were better and kids these days have it easy, mhm.
I'd like to start off with a quote from an old friend of mine, made about a month and a half before Rubicon.
[18:20:50 TheButcherPete wrote:] > a pre-req for the Certificate system is that it must suck At the time, we thought this mere extremist bunkum. Surely the builds on SiSi were a joke, the threads in F&I mere japes? As the 19th loomed ever closer, our self-delusion became more ardent, more desperate. CCP was both late and early with their April Fool's joke; they'd never take away our crippled and broken system and replace it with one that makes even less sense?
Yet, I digress. The purpose of this thread is not to criticise the mastery system - far be it from me to comment on the fact that mastery of the Velator, a rig-less rookie ship, requires rigging skills, or on the fact that T3s do not require subsystem skills to be mastered. No, the purpose of this thread is no less than la manque du fleuron d'EVE.
To whit: the cruel and sadistic removal of Hull Tanking - Elite.
This certificate, cr+żme de la cr+żme of the certificate system, could be placed in a pilot's decorations at will and made sure that everyone else knew they were a real man. REAL MEN HULL TANK. There is no better feeling than winning a fight in a hulltanked navy megathron after seeing "Wtf you're hulltanked?!?!?!" spewed in local. Why, then, CCP, are you emasculating EVE's population? Is this, in our patriarchal and male-dominated society, gender equality gone completely wrong? Or are you just trying to crush our spirit before the introduction of golden ammunition and pay2win?
These, of course, are extreme conclusions to leap to. But it has to be said, a certain character of EVE is draining slowly away; a character that has been dying in recent years, first in the form of explosions, then the jukebox, now our funny certificates which form part of the EVE culture.
What's next? A ban on saying "It's a Templar, the Amarr Fighter"? Dodixie > Hek |
David Przybyciel
Oh No You Didn't
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:15:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:From the creator of such threads as "Nerf Dodixie" and "Nerf Disco" comes another thread guaranteed to make you realise that the old ways were better and kids these days have it easy, mhm.I'd like to start off with a quote from an old friend of mine, made about a month and a half before Rubicon. [18:20:50 TheButcherPete wrote:] > a pre-req for the Certificate system is that it must suck At the time, we thought this mere extremist bunkum. Surely the builds on SiSi were a joke, the threads in F&I mere japes? As the 19th loomed ever closer, our self-delusion became more ardent, more desperate. CCP was both late and early with their April Fool's joke; they'd never take away our crippled and broken system and replace it with one that makes even less sense?Yet, I digress. The purpose of this thread is not to criticise the mastery system - far be it from me to comment on the fact that mastery of the Velator, a rig-less rookie ship, requires rigging skills, or on the fact that T3s do not require subsystem skills to be mastered. No, the purpose of this thread is no less than la manque du fleuron d'EVE. To whit: the cruel and sadistic removal of Hull Tanking - Elite. This certificate, cr+żme de la cr+żme of the certificate system, could be placed in a pilot's decorations at will and made sure that everyone else knew they were a real man. REAL MEN HULL TANK. There is no better feeling than winning a fight in a hulltanked navy megathron after seeing "Wtf you're hulltanked?!?!?!" spewed in local. Why, then, CCP, are you emasculating EVE's population? Is this, in our patriarchal and male-dominated society, gender equality gone completely wrong? Or are you just trying to crush our spirit before the introduction of golden ammunition and pay2win? These, of course, are extreme conclusions to leap to. But it has to be said, a certain character of EVE is draining slowly away; a character that has been dying in recent years, first in the form of explosions, then the jukebox, now our funny certificates which form part of the EVE culture. What's next? A ban on saying "It's a Templar, the Amarr Fighter"?
Yes Yes YES !!! someone else sees the unjust done here with the new patch ! +1 |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:16:00 -
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Would be nice if they added some actual game content aswell, just saying... path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2584
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:18:00 -
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El Geo wrote:Would be nice if they added some actual game content aswell, just saying... A discussion for another thread. I'm sure their resources are currently diverted making sure the new stargate expansion due for [winter next year at the earliest in its earliest possible incarnation] will be great. Dodixie > Hek |
Radelix Cisko
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
137
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:20:00 -
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I did not have it. But I would like to see its return in some form Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2584
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:23:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:I did not have it. But I would like to see its return in some form Even one of those collectable items would be better than nothing, albeit hardly ideal. Dodixie > Hek |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
388
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:26:00 -
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Here's a blow-by-blow of my reaction to your thread...
Quote:I'd like to start off with a quote from an old friend of mine, made about a month and a half before Rubicon.
[18:20:50 TheButcherPete] > a pre-req for the Certificate system is that it must suck hahahaha. You have my attention.
Quote:far be it from me to comment on the fact that mastery of the Velator, a rig-less rookie ship, requires rigging skills, or on the fact that T3s do not require subsystem skills to be mastered. No, the purpose of this thread is no less than addressing la manque fatale du fleuron d'EVE. Ohgod is this true? I haven't logged in yet today. I knew they'd screw it up somehow or another.
Quote: To whit: the cruel and sadistic removal of Hull Tanking - Elite.
All of my rage.
Quote:This certificate, cr+żme de la cr+żme of the certificate system, could be placed in a pilot's decorations at will and made sure that everyone else knew they were a real man. REAL MEN HULL TANK. There is no better feeling than winning a fight in a hulltanked navy megathron after seeing "Wtf you're hulltanked?!?!?!" spewed in local. Why, then, CCP, are you emasculating EVE's population? Is this, in our patriarchal and male-dominated society, gender equality gone completely wrong? Or are you just trying to crush our spirit before the introduction of golden ammunition and pay2win?
Not to mention it was one of the very few "ELITE" certificates for which the pre-reqs were both reasonable and worth training. Alas, from the certificate dev blog it looks like CCP is continuing with this stupid trend, of giving a level-4 certificate to someone who has typical crappy "woo level 4 in my gunnery supports" while reserving level 5 for "woo i trained every skill in the missile tree because I have 180m SP and don't actually play" Thus leaving a veritable uncanny valley of enormous size between levels 4 and 5, with 95% of high-SP pilots trapped in the middle because they aren't spending months training shield comps to 5 or other stuff that is literally worthless at worst or impossibly situational at best.
Quote: What's next? A ban on saying "It's a Templar, the Amarr Fighter"?
I used to think there was a line. But now.. now I just don't know. It could come to this. Fighting is Magic |
Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
236
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:45:00 -
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This is the kind of thing that would make me want to unsub my 9 hull tanking accounts. If I had them that is. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
573
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:22:00 -
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I feel your pain. CCP Ytterbium has posted about it here after CCP Rise brought up the issue. It is being looked into.
ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7411
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:55:00 -
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Anyone who had 'Hull Tanking - Elite' before Rubicon should receive a freaking medal. How else are we now able to tell if indeed we are a real man?!??!?!?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Filthy Bastards
1555
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:00:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Anyone who had 'Hull Tanking - Elite' before Rubicon should receive a freaking medal. How else are we now able to tell if indeed we are a real man?!??!?!?
As one of the Hull tanking elite, I agree You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Asura Vajrarupa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:30:00 -
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Batelle wrote: Ohgod is this true? I haven't logged in yet today. I knew they'd screw it up somehow or another.
Very, you also need Gunnery at V (or weapon upgrades to V, I don't remember, whatever) to master industry haulers.
Also Industry I requires anchoring III, because noob industrialists must know how to anchor something they can't afford.
Ignorance is the cause of suffering. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:51:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Anyone who had 'Hull Tanking - Elite' before Rubicon should receive a freaking medal. How else are we now able to tell if indeed we are a real man?!??!?!?
I suggest some form of golden pod. Dodixie > Hek |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1915
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:54:00 -
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Elite Hull Tanker representing. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2594
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:05:00 -
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Hull tankers, grab your Orcas and Gallente battleships - time seems ripe to shoot the Jita statue. Dodixie > Hek |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
404
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:09:00 -
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"CCP KITTYBOOM" wrote: Level 5 Certificates and Masteries mean that the player has totally maxed all skills available for that ship hull, no matter their relevance. It's meant as a very-high level goal and status symbol.
and this is the fundamental issue. And kind of a poorly designed one considering that CCP also removed the option to make certificates public because no one used it. Fighting is Magic |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2594
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:17:00 -
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Batelle wrote:and this is the fundamental issue. And kind of a poorly designed one considering that CCP also removed the option to make certificates public because no one used it.
Nah, the fundamental issue is that OUR HULL TANKING PROWESS IS NOT RECOGNISED. Dodixie > Hek |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2605
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:17:00 -
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This issue being drowned out by other threads? Not on my watch. Dodixie > Hek |
Benco97
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:48:00 -
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Agreed, as a prior holder of the cert in question and a vocal proponent of hull tanking I am sickened by this change.
It used to be that some men, lesser men, would look at my Orca and know, from my ELITE certification, that I have so much EHP that attempting to count it would be folly. This change has not elevated those men to our stature, it has brought us down to theirs. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2607
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:50:00 -
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Benco97 wrote:This change has not elevated those men to our stature, it has brought us down to theirs. I'm all for class equality, but when it comes to the Hull Untermensch there should be no inbreeding. Dodixie > Hek |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1375
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:12:00 -
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Wait, you can't rig a Velator? Crap, why did I even train into one then? |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2608
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:39:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Wait, you can't rig a Velator? Crap, why did I even train into one then? Because they're OP as f***. TWO light drones?! Dodixie > Hek |
Stridsflygplan
Tigers in the Snow Nyratic
75
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Posted - 2013.11.23 09:44:00 -
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There is an in game item called "Hull Tanking, Elite " but its only searchable in the contracts and there is no contract up for it. So probably none of these item around in the client yet. I want my hull tanking cert back! The last part of the description hint like if we all with hull tanking elite should have got one of these but maybe CCP forgot something...
Hull Tanking, Elite Description:
This certificate represents an elite level of competence in the infamous practice of "hull tanking". It certifies that the holder can fully use all modules relating to hull tanking. The holder is aware that "real men hull tank", and also that hull tanking is really dumb. With this certificate, you've maximised your ability to rely on your structural systems to absorb damage, although hopefully you're smart enough to know what a daft idea that is.
During a certificate system restructuring, CONCORD issued a physical copy of this certificate to ensure that those elite hull tankers would always be recognized (at least by themselves).
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2625
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Posted - 2013.11.23 10:56:00 -
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Stridsflygplan wrote:There is an in game item called "Hull Tanking, Elite " but its only searchable in the contracts and there is no contract up for it. So probably none of these item around in the client yet. I want my hull tanking cert back! The last part of the description hint like if we all with hull tanking elite should have got one of these but maybe CCP forgot something... Hull Tanking, Elite Description: This certificate represents an elite level of competence in the infamous practice of "hull tanking". It certifies that the holder can fully use all modules relating to hull tanking. The holder is aware that "real men hull tank", and also that hull tanking is really dumb. With this certificate, you've maximised your ability to rely on your structural systems to absorb damage, although hopefully you're smart enough to know what a daft idea that is. During a certificate system restructuring, CONCORD issued a physical copy of this certificate to ensure that those elite hull tankers would always be recognized (at least by themselves).
Could do with something like this to replace the "WANTED" sign on "Show info" with "HULLTANKER". Dodixie > Hek |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4669
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Posted - 2013.11.23 11:47:00 -
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Masteries are broken They don't reflect reality properly and will make clueless concentrate on numbers and time wasting.
Lots of people will think that V is needed for anything to be competitive, which is bullshit.
CCP is cluelessly ******* with the minds of their new players. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2631
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Posted - 2013.11.23 13:33:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Masteries are broken They don't reflect reality properly and will make clueless concentrate on numbers and time wasting.
Lots of people will think that V is needed for anything to be competitive, which is bullshit.
CCP is cluelessly ******* with the minds of their new players.
Yeah but hull tanking is the most important issue Dodixie > Hek |
Kharamete
Feral Solutions Inc
77
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Posted - 2013.11.23 13:52:00 -
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I thought this would be a comment on the fact that Hull is the City of Culture in 2014.
I'd say that Hull, the city, is pretty much pre-nerfed, and piling more on the poor sods that live there is just cruelty. --- CCP FoxFour:-á"... the what button... oh god I didn't even know that existed. BRB." |
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
55
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Posted - 2013.11.23 14:48:00 -
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This is the one that makes flames come from the tail of your ship? So cool |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
573
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:35:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:El Geo wrote:Would be nice if they added some actual game content aswell, just saying... A discussion for another thread. I'm sure their resources are currently diverted making sure the new metrosexual vampire game called WOD and Valkyrie due for [winter next year at the earliest in its earliest possible incarnation] will be great.
Fixed that for you...
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
573
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:36:00 -
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Kharamete wrote:I thought this would be a comment on the fact that Hull is the City of Culture in 2014. I'd say that Hull, the city, is pretty much pre-nerfed, and piling more on the poor sods that live there is just cruelty.
Its so bad that people in the Philippines have been busy collecting and sending aid to the people of Hull. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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