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Czeris
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:16:00 -
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So I've run a couple of these in Guristas Null Sec, and I'll post what I know:
First of all, you will die in a Covops, you will need something cruiser sized at least (for null sec).
I warped in, hacked the first can, and rats spawned as I was hacking the second. They proceed to blow up the remaining cans and attack and warp scramble you. They then warp out after 30 seconds.
These Guristas rats were doing 155 thermal dps with 80% thermal resist (it was 100% thermal light missile damage). The rats are not designed to be killed, they simply function as a tank check and timer for the site. One of the cans that exploded hit me for 799 damage with 93% explosive resist.
Loot drop was 29 Covert Research Tools, and a Wetu Mobile Depot bpc (1 run). This was from two cans (there were four in the site)
These really seem to be designed for more than one actual person. I don't see any way to hack all the cans before the rats blow them up, with one person (I am not a particularly slow hacker, and these were green cans).
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
117
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:10:00 -
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Czeris wrote:So I've run a couple of these in Guristas Null Sec, and I'll post what I know:
First of all, you will die in a Covops, you will need something cruiser sized at least (for null sec).
I warped in, hacked the first can, and rats spawned (felt like about 90 seconds- 2 minutes) as I was hacking the second. They proceed to blow up the remaining cans and attack and warp scramble you. They then warp out after 30 seconds.
These Guristas rats were doing 155 thermal dps with 80% thermal resist (it was 100% thermal light missile damage). The rats are not designed to be killed, they simply function as a tank check and timer for the site. One of the cans that exploded hit me for 799 damage with 93% explosive resist. I did not fail my hacking attempts.
Loot drop was 29 Covert Research Tools, and a Wetu Mobile Depot bpc (1 run). This was from two cans (there were four in the site)
These really seem to be designed for more than one actual person. I don't see any way to hack all the cans before the rats blow them up, with one person (I am not a particularly slow hacker, and these were green cans).
I would be curious how this compares to low/high sec sites and wormhole space.
The timer is variable. Sometimes you can get through all 4 cans, sometimes only 1.
It's rare that all 4 have anything of any particular value in them - cargo scanner is a must.
IMO the sites are way, way, WAY too easy right now. |
Czeris
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:12:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Czeris wrote:So I've run a couple of these in Guristas Null Sec, and I'll post what I know:
First of all, you will die in a Covops, you will need something cruiser sized at least (for null sec).
I warped in, hacked the first can, and rats spawned (felt like about 90 seconds- 2 minutes) as I was hacking the second. They proceed to blow up the remaining cans and attack and warp scramble you. They then warp out after 30 seconds.
These Guristas rats were doing 155 thermal dps with 80% thermal resist (it was 100% thermal light missile damage). The rats are not designed to be killed, they simply function as a tank check and timer for the site. One of the cans that exploded hit me for 799 damage with 93% explosive resist. I did not fail my hacking attempts.
Loot drop was 29 Covert Research Tools, and a Wetu Mobile Depot bpc (1 run). This was from two cans (there were four in the site)
These really seem to be designed for more than one actual person. I don't see any way to hack all the cans before the rats blow them up, with one person (I am not a particularly slow hacker, and these were green cans).
I would be curious how this compares to low/high sec sites and wormhole space. The timer is variable. Sometimes you can get through all 4 cans, sometimes only 1. It's rare that all 4 have anything of any particular value in them - cargo scanner is a must. IMO the sites are way, way, WAY too easy right now.
What sec are you talking about? The rats have spawned mid way through the first or second can each time in Null sec, and the cans always had loot.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
117
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:15:00 -
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Czeris wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Czeris wrote:So I've run a couple of these in Guristas Null Sec, and I'll post what I know:
First of all, you will die in a Covops, you will need something cruiser sized at least (for null sec).
I warped in, hacked the first can, and rats spawned (felt like about 90 seconds- 2 minutes) as I was hacking the second. They proceed to blow up the remaining cans and attack and warp scramble you. They then warp out after 30 seconds.
These Guristas rats were doing 155 thermal dps with 80% thermal resist (it was 100% thermal light missile damage). The rats are not designed to be killed, they simply function as a tank check and timer for the site. One of the cans that exploded hit me for 799 damage with 93% explosive resist. I did not fail my hacking attempts.
Loot drop was 29 Covert Research Tools, and a Wetu Mobile Depot bpc (1 run). This was from two cans (there were four in the site)
These really seem to be designed for more than one actual person. I don't see any way to hack all the cans before the rats blow them up, with one person (I am not a particularly slow hacker, and these were green cans).
I would be curious how this compares to low/high sec sites and wormhole space. The timer is variable. Sometimes you can get through all 4 cans, sometimes only 1. It's rare that all 4 have anything of any particular value in them - cargo scanner is a must. IMO the sites are way, way, WAY too easy right now. What sec are you talking about? The rats have spawned mid way through the first or second can each time in Null sec, and the cans always had loot.
Having loot and having value are different things.
I assure you, the timer is quite variable. I don't know if it varies by security at all, though the lower sec sites do take longer to hack, but when you get an n>2, you will find that sometimes it lasts much longer than other times. |
Czeris
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:24:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Czeris wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Czeris wrote:So I've run a couple of these in Guristas Null Sec, and I'll post what I know:
First of all, you will die in a Covops, you will need something cruiser sized at least (for null sec).
I warped in, hacked the first can, and rats spawned (felt like about 90 seconds- 2 minutes) as I was hacking the second. They proceed to blow up the remaining cans and attack and warp scramble you. They then warp out after 30 seconds.
These Guristas rats were doing 155 thermal dps with 80% thermal resist (it was 100% thermal light missile damage). The rats are not designed to be killed, they simply function as a tank check and timer for the site. One of the cans that exploded hit me for 799 damage with 93% explosive resist. I did not fail my hacking attempts.
Loot drop was 29 Covert Research Tools, and a Wetu Mobile Depot bpc (1 run). This was from two cans (there were four in the site)
These really seem to be designed for more than one actual person. I don't see any way to hack all the cans before the rats blow them up, with one person (I am not a particularly slow hacker, and these were green cans).
I would be curious how this compares to low/high sec sites and wormhole space. The timer is variable. Sometimes you can get through all 4 cans, sometimes only 1. It's rare that all 4 have anything of any particular value in them - cargo scanner is a must. IMO the sites are way, way, WAY too easy right now. What sec are you talking about? The rats have spawned mid way through the first or second can each time in Null sec, and the cans always had loot. Having loot and having value are different things. I assure you, the timer is quite variable. I don't know if it varies by security at all, though the lower sec sites do take longer to hack, but when you get an n>2, you will find that sometimes it lasts much longer than other times. The longest I've seen so far was in low sec, where I cleared a site, docked up, dropped my loot, undocked, and it was still on scan.
No ****. I am curious how you are valuing things that have no market yet and claiming they have no worth, especially when you haven't even said what dropped, or from what. An empty can, I can understand.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
117
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:29:00 -
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Czeris wrote: No ****. I am curious how you are valuing things that have no market yet and claiming they have no worth, especially when you haven't even said what dropped, or from what. An empty can, I can understand.
Er... the loot list is pretty short and the valuation is pretty obvious?
The research tool things do nothing right now, but are probably worth holding onto. Villard wheels are an implant manu component.
Both of those items drop in ******* droves - they're destined to be worth little.
Implant blueprints are phat lewt, and depot BPCs are good too. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1560
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:51:00 -
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Out of (malicious) curiousity, does anyone know if a Ghost Site's explosion damages every player ship on grid, or is it a specific radius?
I tend to doubt that it's the former, but I've seen stupider things on expac releases. I only ask myself because I unfortunately have been at work all night, or I'd have found out for myself. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
130
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:55:00 -
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Covert research tools might be like "blue loot" from WH space, the pirate factions want them apparently. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
399
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:58:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Out of (malicious) curiousity, does anyone know if a Ghost Site's explosion damages every player ship on grid, or is it a specific radius?
I tend to doubt that it's the former, but I've seen stupider things on expac releases. I only ask myself because I unfortunately have been at work all night, or I'd have found out for myself.
Its not the full grid. I was able to hack a can, cloak, and escape the blast radius before the explosion.
Also, I can confirm that most of the time you do not need multiple people. But you WILL only get to hack two cans at most, if you're lucky. There's plenty of time to hack a single can. Fighting is Magic |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
130
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:21:00 -
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The blast radius is 10km, IIRC. |
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Auduin Samson
Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact
123
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:41:00 -
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They may not do anything, but they'll almost definitely be worth saving up. http://www.vg247.com/2013/11/18/eve-rubicon-sets-up-ccps-greatest-mystery-yet-interview/ |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
130
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:52:00 -
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Maybe. The dog-tag style NPC item someone else mentioned seems more likely at this point, though. Dunno how the pricing will be since there's only one kind, and they're so extremely common. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5477
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:39:00 -
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My suspicion is that CCP's monitering how many of these enter the system, and will calibrate need for villard wheels, covert research tools, etc, for later expansions; further, given the symbol, odds are CRTs will be used like datacores in the new type of invention.
That said, what are current NPC buy costs for these? Haven't gotten a chance to log in today. :x Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
613
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:39:00 -
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Am I remembering correctly that these are anoms, meaning you can warp straight to them without any probing?
How common are they in each security bracket (including W-Space) |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
613
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:47:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:My suspicion is that CCP's monitering how many of these enter the system, and will calibrate need for villard wheels, covert research tools, etc, for later expansions; further, given the symbol, odds are CRTs will be used like datacores in the new type of invention.
It wouldn't surprise me. Also given the talk from CCP about capsuleers striking out on their own away from the empires and the before linked article mentioning us building stargates, plus with the rubicon chronicle mentioning villiard wheels with regards to transport experiments, I am guessing those will be very vital to whatever we get with future expansions so they will probably be in higher demand later.
I am tempted to just stockpile some of the stuff I collect just in case. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1929
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:52:00 -
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It would be hilarious if CCP were just trolling all of EVE, and never gave CRT any use - just to see how high can speculators drive the price of a pointless object.
(Unfortunately knowing CCP they probably won't do anything as interesting ) |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5477
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:55:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: That said, what are current NPC buy costs for these? Haven't gotten a chance to log in today. :x
Anyone? Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
GordonO
22
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Posted - 2013.11.22 01:19:00 -
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Czeris wrote:
I would be curious how this compares to low/high sec sites and wormhole space.
jonnypew and delonewolf have you tube vids up on them running these, they worth a look at if you haven't done them, and of course will save you a ship.
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Czeris
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2013.11.22 02:41:00 -
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GordonO wrote:Czeris wrote:
I would be curious how this compares to low/high sec sites and wormhole space.
jonnypew and delonewolf have you tube vids up on them running these, they worth a look at if you haven't done them, and of course will save you a ship.
Having run a bunch of null sec ones now, I am not concerned about the tanking so much as the timer, the loot drops, and perhaps the abundance of them. I found about half a dozen in the first day, and now haven't see one for awhile, so I am guessing now that there is info out there, there are a lot more people running them.
It sounds like the timer is a lot longer in the highsec ones, perhaps even long enough to hack all the cans by one person. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
175
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Posted - 2013.11.22 02:52:00 -
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Czeris wrote:GordonO wrote:Czeris wrote:
I would be curious how this compares to low/high sec sites and wormhole space.
jonnypew and delonewolf have you tube vids up on them running these, they worth a look at if you haven't done them, and of course will save you a ship. Having run a bunch of null sec ones now, I am not concerned about the tanking so much as the timer, the loot drops, and perhaps the abundance of them. I found about half a dozen in the first day, and now haven't see one for awhile, so I am guessing now that there is info out there, there are a lot more people running them. It sounds like the timer is a lot longer in the highsec ones, perhaps even long enough to hack all the cans by one person.
AFAICT, no, it's not. The hacking game is defeated much more quickly in high, however.
I've had some in low where, after hacking all 4 cans, I've just sat for in excess of another minute or two before there was any spawn. I've also had them pop just as I reached the second can. |
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
886
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Posted - 2013.11.22 02:57:00 -
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What would you say the chance are for bpc's?
I've only found 2 sites, one in low-sec and one in null-sec, the low-sec one had 2 implant bpc's and the null sites had 2 (maybe 3) implant bpc's and a structure bpc.
If this is the norm it's not going to take long for the market to get flooded, and the loot worthless. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
175
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Posted - 2013.11.22 03:05:00 -
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Except in high sec, the chance of getting some kind of BP seems quite high.
Some sites in high sec are garbage, with only villard wheels and CRTs, and even some empty cans. Low and below, I would say you will probably get at least one print of some kind (depot or implant) from most sites. Best so far for me has been 2 prints from one site.
I do seem to be finding FAR fewer sites today than I was yesterday and tuesday. It's possible that there's more competition now, but the space I've been in has remained relatively empty. Would not be surprised if they quietly toned down the spawn rate. |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Acerbus Vindictum Stealth Wear Inc.
131
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Posted - 2013.11.22 05:02:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:Am I remembering correctly that these are anoms, meaning you can warp straight to them without any probing?
Yes. Quite 'Exploration' ... |
Acher Ingres
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:26:00 -
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It seems some loot from those is worth the time. I sold Wetu depot for 600m and think I chose too low a price... |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
453
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:36:00 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:Am I remembering correctly that these are anoms, meaning you can warp straight to them without any probing? Yes. Quite 'Exploration' ...
IMO its VERY exploration. Just a completely new kind, with its own meta.
Exploration isn't probing. Exploration is traveling to faraway or dangerous places, requires the use specialized and sometimes expensive ships, the rewards can be hit or miss. Often you have long stretches of boredom interrupted by frenetic activity. Hunting for ghost sites is all of these things. If you're not specifically hunting for them, then you can still encounter them, kind of like having that 4/10 or 6/10 or 10/10 spawn in your home system, which is also still "exploration."
Acher Ingres wrote:It seems some loot from those is worth the time. I sold Wetu depot for 600m and think I chose too low a price...
You didn't. You got in early and made the maximum isk for being early. These things are/were guaranteed to drop in price, and are now at 150m in Jita. I'm also pretty impressed, I sold one of the first ones for 290m and I think I did rather well, particularly as the manufacturing cost is trivial.
Additionally the covert research tools will provide guaranteed isk even if wetu and some implant prices crash. I'm sitting on about 500 right now so I'm happy about that. Why can't I delete this signature? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
193
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:55:00 -
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Batelle wrote:You didn't. You got in early and made the maximum isk for being early. These things are/were guaranteed to drop in price, and are now at 150m in Jita. I'm also pretty impressed, I sold one of the first ones for 290m and I think I did rather well, particularly as the manufacturing cost is trivial.
This. I fully expect the meta depot prices to drop to low double digit millions before long. The prints seem fairly common, and they don't provide that much benefit over the meta 0s. |
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
70
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:06:00 -
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The high meta depots are harder to scan if you choose to not travel with it.
I think it is important that the dev blog specifically points out that this is NOT exploration content. I say this because the current dedicated exploration content is very thin. My worry is if Ghosts sites are adopted as exploration content then the priority given to exploration will drop.
I would really like additional sites tailored to probing. CCP Affinity stated that they were (finished?) working on tools to help create additional content therefore it is my hope that they will be able to easily/rapidly create additional dedicate exploration content. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
193
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:42:00 -
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Tzar Sinak wrote:The high meta depots are harder to scan if you choose to not travel with it.
Right... and given the reinforcement timer, that's just not very valuable. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2282
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:46:00 -
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Czeris wrote:GordonO wrote:Czeris wrote:
I would be curious how this compares to low/high sec sites and wormhole space.
jonnypew and delonewolf have you tube vids up on them running these, they worth a look at if you haven't done them, and of course will save you a ship. Having run a bunch of null sec ones now, I am not concerned about the tanking so much as the timer, the loot drops, and perhaps the abundance of them. I found about half a dozen in the first day, and now haven't see one for awhile, so I am guessing now that there is info out there, there are a lot more people running them. It sounds like the timer is a lot longer in the highsec ones, perhaps even long enough to hack all the cans by one person. Ive run two in high sec. In both cases the spawn happened while I was doing the first hack, in less than 2 minutes after arriving at the site. In both cases I just barely got the loot out before all the cans exploded. In the first site the NPCs and the explosion took my frigate. In the second my highly tanked cruiser just barely survived.
Edit: In both cases all the cans had their rings still spinning, so I'm fairly sure I was the first one to them. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
465
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:15:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote: Edit: In both cases all the cans had their rings still spinning, so I'm fairly sure I was the first one to them.
This is a thing? cool. Why can't I delete this signature? |
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