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Rammix
TheMurk
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:22:00 -
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It has 30 second cloak reactivation delay. It's way too long and doesn't let to travel normally: it takes significantly less time to pass through a system, than for the timer to run out. If you turn on the cloak when warping off to the next gate, then, after you reach it and jump through, you will be unable to cloak for 10 or sometimes even 20 seconds. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:39:00 -
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turn it off after you enter warp. if you land on a gate with smartbombs going off you've probably had it anyway. with the cloak off you can run your hardener(s). freelance space bum |
Noriko Mai
1052
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:40:00 -
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Rammix wrote:It has 30 second cloak reactivation delay. It's way too long and doesn't let to travel normally: it takes significantly less time to pass through a system, than for the timer to run out. If you turn on the cloak when warping off to the next gate, then, after you reach it and jump through, you will be unable to cloak for 10 or sometimes even 20 seconds. Then hold your cloak longer |
Eko Fromtv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:41:00 -
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Rammix wrote:It has 30 second cloak reactivation delay. It's way too long and doesn't let to travel normally: it takes significantly less time to pass through a system, than for the timer to run out. If you turn on the cloak when warping off to the next gate, then, after you reach it and jump through, you will be unable to cloak for 10 or sometimes even 20 seconds.
What is gate cloak? (Ice) Miner for life. |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter The Kingdom of Heaven
69
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:43:00 -
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my deep space transport with an improved cloak has a 30 sec timer....should a frig meant to use a cov cloak really have just as long as the improved does on a much larger ship? <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7411
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:53:00 -
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The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.
Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
708
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:18:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.
Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case.
10/10, would even recommend this post to my mother, and she doesn't even know what EVE is. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Rammix
TheMurk
151
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:19:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:turn it off after you enter warp. if you land on a gate with smartbombs going off you've probably had it anyway. with the cloak off you can run your hardener(s). It's not the best way. Better to warp to 20-30km cloaked and circle around looking for safe approach.
Noriko Mai wrote: Then hold your cloak longer
Eko Fromtv wrote: What is gate cloak?
Frigates are about speed. Cloaky frigates are for cloaky speed (of travel in this case). Cloaky ships are meant to stay cloaked for MAXIMUM of time wherever they travel. What's the point of flying a frigate if you have to pause 10-20 seconds after each gate to just keep yourself invisible on d-scan. I think they smoke some reeeaally baad weed.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.
Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case. As long as it can use covert ops cloaking device it IS a covert ops ship by its nature (by name - only scanner frigates are covert ops if you want to insist on correctness). Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed and agility, so when you travel in them you usually don't notice cloak reactivation delays. A frigate is a totally another thing - this cloak reactivation time should be reduced by 30% at the very least. Tears? Crocodile tears? Lol. Seems you don't get the usage of that idiom. You absolutely don't.
Btw, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a delay, I'm saying that 30 seconds are way too much for a frigate, especially for a covert one. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Rammix
TheMurk
151
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:24:00 -
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If they were afraid of making it overpowered they should've given normal recloaking delays but also should've made these ships a bit weaker in pvp. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3640
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:48:00 -
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So is this going to be the official "Astero is OP" start thread?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7413
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Posted - 2013.11.20 01:03:00 -
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Maybe this needs to be a 'Remove cloaks from SoE ships because [reasons]" thread instead of a 'CCP GIB ME AWSUM SHIP BUTT I WANT MOAR AWSUM AND MAKE FOTM SHIP SUPER OP BECUZ IT IZ FOTM SHIP' thread.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Lailyana Enaka
Saved Before Death Industries
70
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:29:00 -
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Your tears fuel my laughter, that is all |
CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:35:00 -
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Let the tear begins... |
CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:36:00 -
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Let the tears begin to flow ... |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
121
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:38:00 -
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Hey, I know...
...let's just give it every ******* bonus that a T2 covops get, and also good combat ability.
That would make sense. |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
345
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:50:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:my deep space transport with an improved cloak has a 30 sec timer....should a frig meant to use a cov cloak really have just as long as the improved does on a much larger ship? What does "on a much larger ship" have to do with anything? Is there some scientific principle I'm missing? There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
215
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Posted - 2013.11.20 03:14:00 -
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Tul Breetai wrote:Omega Flames wrote:my deep space transport with an improved cloak has a 30 sec timer....should a frig meant to use a cov cloak really have just as long as the improved does on a much larger ship? What does "on a much larger ship" have to do with anything? Is there some scientific principle I'm missing?
It takes longer for a large fat man to hide than a skinny smaller man. This has to be what he means comparing smaller and bigger ships with a cloak.
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marVLs
516
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Posted - 2013.11.20 08:28:00 -
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Did You see that some parts connected with pipes too engine are glowing only when ship is moving? |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
408
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Posted - 2013.11.20 08:33:00 -
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If you want to travel cloaky just take a dedicated cloaky ship. The SoE ships have the cloaks more for a combat utility reason than travel. RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
128
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:25:00 -
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Rammix wrote: Frigates are about speed. Cloaky frigates are for cloaky speed (of travel in this case).
So you're angry the Astero isnt a covops cloaking interceptor?
Rammix wrote: Cloaky ships are meant to stay cloaked for MAXIMUM of time wherever they travel. What's the point of flying a frigate if you have to pause 10-20 seconds after each gate to just keep yourself invisible on d-scan.
They're not. They're meant to cloak at times and uncloak at others. There's not a single ship that's meant to be cloaky all the time. You're sacrificing something for something else. For example bombers are reasonably slow and hard to tank. In return they are cloaky and have unique damage projection.
Rammix wrote: As long as it can use covert ops cloaking device it IS a covert ops ship by its nature (by name - only scanner frigates are covert ops if you want to insist on correctness). Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed and agility, so when you travel in them you usually don't notice cloak reactivation delays. A frigate is a totally another thing - this cloak reactivation time should be reduced by 30% at the very least. Tears? Crocodile tears? Lol. Seems you don't get the usage of that idiom. You absolutely don't.
Btw, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a delay, I'm saying that 30 seconds are way too much for a frigate, especially for a covert one.
Again the Astero was meant as an exploration frigate. Not an all-in-onecloaky dps tanky high-speed scanning pvp hacking relic analyzing master of all ships. It does all jobs reasonable, but isnt the best at any of them. Also see: Gnosis. I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
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Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2013.11.20 10:45:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:turn it off after you enter warp. if you land on a gate with smartbombs going off you've probably had it anyway. with the cloak off you can run your hardener(s). It's not the best way. Better to warp to 20-30km cloaked and circle around looking for safe approach.
where are you traveling? if low sec then it's fine to warp to 0 on gates uncloaked. the only problem is smartbombs on outgates.
I made a trip around low sec yesterday in the astero and the cool down typically runs out by the time you've changed session if you switch it off the moment you enter warp in the previous system.
you might get caught out on very short gate to gate warps but given how fast its align time is you'll probably get away with it. if there's a camper then just wait a little to be safe. freelance space bum |
Grim Hood
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:04:00 -
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If you want to fly with no cloak delay get a bomber or force recon or T3. The bomber is a lot cheaper than the Astero and the force recon is the same price. Or just do what was mentioned above.
On a side note, I have been fitting my Astero for pvp. It's basically like a tristan and a pilgrim had a baby. MWD, drones, tracking disruptor, long point, CovOps cloak. I have only shot at some corp mates to test it out, I have yet to go roaming, but based on my testing it's a pretty awesome ship for lowsec pvp.
Expensive? Yes. Fun? Hell yes.
In a few months when the price has dropped I will be buying a whole bunch of these for some shenanigans in FW space. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
403
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:08:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed
Astero: 5 AU/s warpspeed Blockade Runner: 6 AU/s warpspeed
Today I learned that for pubbies, 6 is smaller than 5. I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 "**** goons, they only kill stuff that can't shoot back, they aren't killing us fast enough, they missed my ****** Ibis so they failed, CCP ban goons they shot my ship." -- Distracted |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2438
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:54:00 -
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Why are you even using the cloak that much? You only need to turn it on when you have others on grid. If there is no one on grid there is almost no point to hitting the cloak. So if you worried about the delay then just don't use the cloak until you need to use it. Problem solved. Why are you even cloaking when there is no one there to see you?
In the infinitely unlikely event that you would hit two gate camps one after another, then you just need to wait a little while. Or let your cloak off whilst warping so the timer is already up once you have jumped through.
On a side note, I think there should be some indication of when you can use it again. Like having it highlighted red until it is usable. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:00:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:On a side note, I think there should be some indication of when you can use it again. Like having it highlighted red until it is usable.
yeah, having some form of cool down timer indicator for modules would be nice, especially on the MJD. freelance space bum |
Rammix
TheMurk
151
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:12:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Rammix wrote:Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed Astero: 5 AU/s warpspeed Blockade Runner: 6 AU/s warpspeed Today I learned that for pubbies, 6 is smaller than 5. Warp speed is not only the "warp speed" stat. It's also overall agility (i.e. alignment, acceleration, warp acceleration, warp deceleration, after-warp deceleration, new warp).
Arduemont wrote:Why are you even using the cloak that much? You only need to turn it on when you have others on grid. If there is no one on grid there is almost no point to hitting the cloak. So if you worried about the delay then just don't use the cloak until you need to use it. Problem solved. Why are you even cloaking when there is no one there to see you?
In the infinitely unlikely event that you would hit two gate camps one after another, then you just need to wait a little while. Or let your cloak off whilst warping so the timer is already up once you have jumped through.
On a side note, I think there should be some indication of when you can use it again. Like having it highlighted red until it is usable. Staying cloaked - is a principle. Ships intended for covert operations should keep invisible in d-scan for as long as possible.
What tears are you people talking about? Seems you imagine tears everywhere where people don't agree with you. That's ridiculous (lame). I was speaking about inadequate approach to balancing the astero. If they didn't want it to be OP in pvp they should've made it weaker. If they wanted to make it a nice exploration ship they should've given it the same cloaking as other covert frigates have. Devs here were like trying to shoot two birds at a time, and screwed up. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
403
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:29:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Rammix wrote:Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed Astero: 5 AU/s warpspeed Blockade Runner: 6 AU/s warpspeed Today I learned that for pubbies, 6 is smaller than 5. Warp speed is not only the "warp speed" stat. It's also overall agility (i.e. alignment, acceleration, warp acceleration, warp deceleration, after-warp deceleration, new warp).
Warp acceleration and deceleration is higher on a BR, since it has a greater warp speed, let's take a look at the time-to warp: (All Lvl5 character used for comparison, no fits)
Astero: 2.62s align time BR: 5.15s - 5.74s align time
Combined with http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png we can conclude:
<1AU : Astero arrives first <20AU: Arrival within same tick >20AU: BR arrives first
Tell me again how the Astero has a higher warp speed than a BR. I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 "**** goons, they only kill stuff that can't shoot back, they aren't killing us fast enough, they missed my ****** Ibis so they failed, CCP ban goons they shot my ship." -- Distracted |
Rammix
TheMurk
151
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:44:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Rammix wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Rammix wrote:Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed Astero: 5 AU/s warpspeed Blockade Runner: 6 AU/s warpspeed Today I learned that for pubbies, 6 is smaller than 5. Warp speed is not only the "warp speed" stat. It's also overall agility (i.e. alignment, acceleration, warp acceleration, warp deceleration, after-warp deceleration, new warp). Warp acceleration and deceleration is higher on a BR, since it has a greater warp speed, let's take a look at the time-to warp: (All Lvl5 character used for comparison, no fits) Astero: 2.62s align time BR: 5.15s - 5.74s align time Combined with http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png we can conclude: <1AU : Astero arrives first <20AU: Arrival within same tick >20AU: BR arrives first Tell me again how the Astero has a higher warp speed than a BR. Ok, you're right. But BR is not a pvp ship by its characteristics, and astero is a pvp ship (it has everything for that). So in a BR some recloak delays with waiting in gate cloak mean almost nothing.
p.s. Btw you just proved my words - astero is faster in short range, so it needs shorter recloaking delay. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
41
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:56:00 -
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silly discussion
if the Astero had a 5s cloak delay, it would pretty much be objectively superior to cov ops ships for most uses.
which would make no sense, since it takes almost no skillpoints to sit in an astero. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
408
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:58:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.
Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case.
Then it would just be another pre-nerfed new ship. Maybe it would be lucky to get rebalanced 5 years down the line like EAFs. I don't have to be happy about anything. Fighting is Magic |
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